Was he the most evil man of the last century?
>>18239886Literally just a bog standard US Cabinet level politician whose reputation in public consciousness is only overblown by the fact that he himself marketed heavily for that reputation because he was a media diva and relished in the infamy.Kissinger really isn't any more or less amoral than US Secretaries of State who preceded and then succeeded him. You only hear about him more because he *wanted* you to hear about him.
>>18239886Only evil thing he did was intentionally fuck the peace talks during LBJ's presidency on the orders of Rockefeller. Also, the bombings of Cambodia and Laos, which was under Nixon's orders.
>>18239948That implies there was something to fuck over. The cold truth for the boomer stab-in-the-back myth is that the only realistic option for peace in 1968 would involve LBJ threatening Saigon with immediate withdrawal of all US forces to force them to negotiate with Hanoi (on terms that would be glaringly favorable to Hanoi as what eventually happened in Paris).
>>18239886No, not even close. You're obsessed with Jews.
Kissinger was actually a very cautious advisor who overestimated the capabilities of the USSR. The hate for him doesn't come from liberals and humanitarians but from neoconservatives who wanted him to escalate towards a hot war with Russia. For all his crimes he was more sensible and compassionate than the serial killers who succeeded him.
>>18239886He was alright"If it were not for the accident of my birth, I would be antisemitic." Followed by: "Any people who has been persecuted for two thousand years must be doing something wrong.""The emigration of Jews from the Soviet Union is not an objective of American foreign policy. And if they put Jews into gas chambers in the Soviet Union, it is not an American concern. Maybe a humanitarian concern"Is there a more self-serving group of people than the Jewish community?"American Jews and Israelis are "as obnoxious as the Vietnamese."
>>18240078Why does /pol/ hate him again?
>>18240089I dont realy know.He killed browns or something
>>18239886No, he was just an effective diplomat
>>18240189A very short sighted one. > Lets prop China guys. What could possibly go wrong?
>>18239886>implying the geopolitical shitshow of the 20th century had a final bossGuy operated in a 4D chess game of nuclear superpowers where every move was a choice between horrific options. Detente with China to split the commie bloc and isolate USSR, avoiding total WW3. Arms control talks that actually reduced nuke stockpiles. Ended US involvement in a losing war (yes, it was ugly, but continuing forever was the other option). Was he a ruthless realist who did fucked up things? Absolutely, but he wasn't some sort of cartoon villain, he was making monstrous choices in a monstrous era.
>>18240208Sino-soviet split was a scam. They even staged the fakest war in history.
>>18240200The US had normal trade relations with India since 1949 and>India
>>18239886My five constestants are:1. Maurice Duplessis2. Lyman Lemnitzer3. Syngman Rhee4. Pol Pot5. Brzezinski, probably. To be honest, any warmongering ghoul similar to Lindsay Graham (only older and functional during Cold War) counts. The fact that americans always chose, at best, just treacherous and violent fuckers and, at worst, outright human filth to "own the commies", is kind of a self-report.
>>18240235It's not about trade but tech transfer and letting them buy your debt
>>18239886who knows what lurks in the shadows off camera.
>>18239886Kissinger hate is so forced and normie, all things considered he wasn't even that bad, hell there were goys in the US administration who were far more pro-Israel than he ever was. The Dulles brothers on the other hand, those were some real malignant cunts, even for American standards.
Nah>Robert Taft>Paul Volcker>Allen DullesBetter candidates
>>18240253You think tech transfer is exclusive to the US-China relationship?
>>18240066truth nuke. Kissinger oversaw the period of Detente where the US and USSR actually managed to chill the fuck out and spare the world the threat of nuclear annihilation every weekend. Previous administrations and succeeding ones were far more antagonistic and bellicose against the Soviets which was a risk to the whole planet since such a conflict would obviously be of a cataclysmic scale
>>18240200>Diplomatic relations != Propping upThe US wasn't funding Communist China with technology and free gibs, ever. Nixon (it wasn't Kissinger's sole idea. Nixon advocated for China normalization since the early 60s) merely recognized the Matter of Fact, they couldn't just ignore 700 million people (1970s pop) with nuclear weapons and control of an enormous country like China.
>>18240237>some "who?" Mfer from QUEBEC ranked above Pol PotGenuinely what the fuck ist this list lmao
>>18240090>what the ChristTasteless
>>18240399>>18240200whose braindead idea was it to offshore almost all american manufacturing to china? i don't understand how this event, arguably the worst idea in american geopolitical history, isn't talked about more
>>18239936no such thing, they all have agendas and incredible sway
>>18240553Anon, the real world isn't like a grand strategy game, there was no "Export All Manufacturing To China" option in the US tech tree that a president clicked on for the lulz
>>18240553The thinking is overly simplistic and with a long term outlook.The US has only 4% of the world population but almost 40% of the world wealth, there was no reason to waste man power on something someone in the 3rd world could do for a fraction of the price. The only blue collar jobs that would remain where critical roles in energy, defence or innovation or to service cars and infrastructure.
>>18239886>>18239886A deep state soviet tapeworm, so basically yeah.
>>18240563and yet it happened>>18240578>for a fraction of the pricethere it is, that's the answer - it was greedy industrialists obliterating companies and entire industries to line their own pockets, which happens every single time without exception when there is no government intervention to stop them>why would we want to dominate the entire world with our culture, industry and influence when we can just destroy everything we have to buy cheap toasters? my god bob, you're a genius!
>>18240553>He thinks it was just some singular dude who pressed a buttonWelcome to Capitalism, faggot. A wide array of CEOs, board members, and other businessmen whipped out their calculators and did the math and concluded that manufacturing in China was profitable and good for business. The USA is a land where businessmen are largely allowed to use their capital and property as they please, therefore these businesses did what was in their interests and offshored.Don't like it? Too bad, money runs the US of A
>>18240585who the fuck is talking about pressing a single button? why are you putting words in my mouth? are you a jew?
>>18240582no shit the capitalist wants to make a return on investment when he has exploited every other source of value
>>18240590Are you autistic?Obviously referring to your framing of it with the phrase:>Whose idea was it The pressing button thing was just a bit in reference to how you thought it was just some intentional action by a singular individual, something you could've easily inferred if you weren't on the fucking spectrum, mate.
>>18240401>some whoPol Pot just killed proto-redditors.Maurice was catholic epstein that enabled institutional child fucking and was fucking proud of it.
>>18240553Americans are/were too generous and idealistic. This is not the only case of this happening.
>>18239886He is one of the aight ones
>>18240804>Pol Pot just killed proto-redditorsnigga he killed people for wearing glasses, 80% of this website would've been Tree'd in the KR lel
>>18240553People did talk about in the 90's when the west was opening up to trade with China, and majority of discontent about this opening came from left leaning voices, you were just a kid who didn't know or care about politics at the time.
>>18239886He won, like, a big prize for peace, so he must have been a super good guy, right?
>>18241861>>18240804Nowadays Cambodian chimp out at everyone
>>18239936His successor was very similar in that regard. The difference is that Brzezinski was more interested in absolving himself than taking responsibility. Which is why there was so much pushback against the Afghan Trap theory rather than him relishing in it.
Šoroš
>>18239886He did Cyprus and the Rhodies dirty but thats about it
