Why do Protestants hate scripture?
The roman church is on tiktok now? This is so bad and lazy
>>18240513Shoddy Cathcuck cope. You guys getting bullied this hard that it's come to this?
>>18240513They don't hate the scriptures, they obsess over it. But most Protestants are functionally illiterate. They read the words, but they don't understand it. It is the failure to understand the scriptures they think salvation is found only in them. The ones who are actually literate and have the gumption to read the theological works of the Church Fathers all end up converting to one of the Apostolic Churches.
>>18240534Yet another cope
>>18240552Your post is a cope
>>18240534>who are actually literate and have the gumption to read the theological works of the Church FathersI can't imagine more than 5% of professed catholics are part of that elite group lol
>>18240557Still better than pr*testants.
>>18240557Salvation isn't found in the scriptures, you retarded Prot. You'd know this if you could actually read.
>>18240513Funny picture but the true Christianity is Gnostic :^)
>>18240562Can't imagine its found in the religious organization that spent the better part of the 20th century covering for boyfuckers in its ranks either
>>18240562Same thought process as Mormons. Just make shit up and say it was divine process, while you misinterpret the Bible when required.
>>18240567So you admit it's not found in any Protestant Church.
>>18240513Another latinx seethe thread.
>>18240573You and I both know you've never read the Bible, and whatever knowledge you have about Christianity is based entirely on a few passing comments from priests or pastors of the church services that your relatives dragged you to as a child.
>>18240580Wrong on all accounts.
>>18240583>copies pastor bob on biblical interpretion>convinces himself that its the plain and undisputed interpretation
>>18240583If you're going to lie at least be entertaining and make an attempt to weave a story about how you have a deep understanding of the scriptures and how they were compiled.
>>18240591>>182405932 Maccabees is literally your whole religion. It's beyond pathetic that all core doctrines hinges on one single piece of shit book.
>>18240595You're proving the point that Prots don't know how to read.
>>18240577You've got to wonder what the point is, when you can 100% guarantee they haven't stepped foot in a church since their sister got married a couple years ago
>>18240597>No Purgatory >No saint intercession>No Mary as Mediatrix >No masses for the dead and prayers of souls in purgatory To top it off, all the other deuterocanonical books are completely worthless in saying anything new, because they just repeat teachings what Protestant canon already states. Its only role is to give legitimacy to 2 Maccabees, because it can't be presented on its own for canon without severe pushback and skepticism.
Name one thing you CAN'T somehow justify using scripture.
>>18240602Nigger where are you getting this idea that 2 Maccabees is so important? 1 Maccabees is better anyway.
>>18240610>Y-you don't read!Obviously you don't read and are clueless about your own church, if you actually have to ask this question.
>>18240602This is bizarre. Who's telling you these things, is it Pastor Bob? Clearly someone who's talking out of their ass and has no clue about the Bible. There are no redundant books in the Catholic and Orthodox bibles, every single one of them serve to reinforce practices, dogma, and sacraments. >>18240607It's why the reading of it should only be reserved for people who have the intellect, discipline, and spiritual curiosity to discern the books. As is stated in 2 Peter 3:16, those who are ignorant and with ill-intent may twist the words to their own end.
>>18240625>There are no redundant books in the Catholic and Orthodox bibles, every single one of them serve to reinforce practices, dogma, and sacraments.Which is what? Go ahead, I'll wait, because 2 Maccabees is all that matters.
>>18240629Which is what? Narrow your question. I have no idea why you obsess over Maccabees, when these books are regarded as minor works by both the Roman and Orthodox Church.
Low media literacy
>>18240632I'm asking you to back up your statement. What practices, dogma, and sacraments need the requirement of the deuterocanonical books?
>>18240632Also:>I have no idea why you obsess over Maccabees, when these books are regarded as minor works by both the Roman and Orthodox Church.Yeah, bullshit. I just pointed out what dogmas need 2 Maccabees as a foundation: >>18240602
>>18240602Purgatory is an obvious inference it's like saying the trinity isn't in the bible. When Judaism has it I'm not sure why you try you add that as a gotcha.Apostolic (I was raised that way_ agree that you don't go to heaven when you die either we call it Abrahams bosom instead of purgatory.
>>18240513talked to a nigga who claimed to be a lutheran, then he proceeded to deny the immaculate conception, claimed jesus christ is not god, nor the son of god, claimed he fought against romans, and all around blasphemed. protestants are so done we need to pray for them.
>>18240513There are protestants that believe the opposite of every single one of these points.
>>18240637This is the illiteracy I was talking about. You're looking at the deuterocanon as if they're individual works, rather than viewing them holistically within the greater canon. That beings said, I can tell that you think that the God of the Old Testament is not the God of the New Testament.
>>18240638You can't even read the Bible and you have know idea why Maccabees was included, so what would you know what theological foundation in established?
>>18240647They literally say nothing new outside the Protestant canon, except 2 Maccabees. The logic follows that the same "holistic" coming together can be stitched without them at all. >B-but they are differentThey're literally not. Paul pretty much covers most of their intent in his writings alone. >>18240654I know exactly why it was included. It was included to position Mary as a superwoman fertility idol, and to co-opt Jesus's role as mediator with dead people.
>>18240657>The logic follows that the same "holistic" coming together can be stitched without them at all. This is stupid thinking. Man only sees part not the whole of creation. The more evidence there is to determine a mystery, the better. Nothing is gained from removing evidence, only loss.>I know exactly why it was included. It was included to position Mary as a superwoman fertility idol, and to co-opt Jesus's role as mediator with dead people.No, someone told you why they think it was included and you believed them. All the things you pointed out are either stated or inferred throughout the apostolic canons, Maccabees is simply one of those books not the foundation. Unlike you prots, who form an entire church based on a single passage or book, that is not how apostolic dogma and doctrine is established.
>>18240513I can understand why someone would value faith more than works, but the idea that faith is everything and that believing good works matter actually sends you to Hell is so strange to me. It makes the NT read like some kind of sick prank where Jesus spends his entire ministry telling people important moral lessons for no reason.
>you will have no gods before meCatholics reject that and gave themselves a goddess mother figure.
>>18240513The Proddies HATED this one
>>18240513misunderstood, misquoted, out of context scripturehas been kicking catholicucks asses for 1500 years now, might as well stop reading altogether if your literacy levels are that bad
>>18240797>for no reasonThe reason is obviously to lead you to think, "Wow, that sounds like a lot of effort that a pathetic evil worm like me could never manage. I hope there's a plot twist coming soon where God says that he'll beat himself up for my sins instead of me if I ask nicely! I would be fine with that and would describe it as a perfect reconciliation of justice and mercy, which only prideful people deserving of eternal torment would refuse to accept.
>>18240591>pastor bobWas Jesus a classist snob too?
>>18241045Yes I'm sure that He wanted us to read between the lines and say that all those parables are too much effort to live by, thank you for your valuable Protestant contribution to theological interpretation. If only he quite literally said "Sike!" at the end of each moral lesson, those early Church fathers wouldn't have been led so far astray from the true message of Christianity.
>>18241060Poe's Law
>>18240591This, prots literally worship pastor Bob
>>18240513Why not start Anouther 30 years war over it?
pagan here. do catholics really die on the hill of eating jesus' flesh and drinking his blood literally, rather than symbolically? if it's not symbolic, then that's actual cannibalism. lol.
>>18240513How Catholic faith is the one true path to christhttps://youtu.be/6xlNEJcdra0
>>18241186>pagan
>>18240513protestantism is a mental illness, I thought this was universally understood.
Catholics never claim the Protestant canon is "wrong", just kvetch that they won't add the books that allow for goddess mommy mary worship
>>18241477The pr*testant canon is wrong, and the book you’re thinking of is Revelation
>>18241865>It's heckin wrong, because how can I pray to dead people with it!!!!!!!!Jesus is the sole mediator, retard
Outside the Catholic Church there is no remission of sin or salvation. This has been a dogma while Alexandria and Antioch were still part of the Catholic Church. The See of Rome, the See that maintained orthodox teaching, historically and currently, undoubtedly, has supreme jurisdiction. Pre-schism, this can be proven through simple research of the Council of Ephesus and Chalcedon. Post-schism, it’s even more clear. I’ll spare you illiterate heretics the post-schism sources. If you want them, i’m ready. >VOOOOOTOOOCOOOON 2 We agree there is a lot of heterodoxy and heresy from the Post-Conciliar Church. That does not diminish the supreme jurisdiction Peter and his successors were given by Christ Himself. Outside of the Catholic Church you are not saved.
>>18242019>It's good because it's old! The Marian dogma shit started rearing its head long before any schism. You can't hide behind tradition forever.
>>18240513I don't get it
>>18242025>claims Marian Dogma are false>doesn’t provide any argument against them The flames will be hot. Enjoy hell.
>>18242036>Mommyboy Cathcuck larping as the enjoy hell poster Cringe. By the way, you guys are the new Pharisees, so brace yourself for when the new shit starts popping off and your doctrines get tossed into the trash. Tick tock.
>>18242042Faggots like you have been anathematized already. Enjoy hell.
>>18240891>muh idolatryThis objection is mainly due to the fact that you cannot distinguish between worship and lesser forms of veneration. David bowed in front of the ark in Psalm 99:5, Joshua did the same in Joshua 7:6. God commands the use of icons in 1 Kings 6:29, even statues in Exodus 25:18-19. The use of graven images is forbidden, there is a line between non-graven and graven images. So the veneration offered to those represented by images is not idolatrous. Asking for prayers from saints that can hear you is perfectly fine, and so is the use of images during worship.
>>18241036>1500 yearsProtestantism isn’t even 1000 years old, much less 1500
>>18240513So you stone disrespectful children?Based and NotPhariseePilled.
>>18241186It's cannibalism, but they seethe when you point it out. They really hate it when you ask how many communions you have to take, before you're confident that you've eaten Jesus' ass.
>>18242042Pharisees do not enter themselves, and they don’t let anyone else enter either. We want all our brothers in Christ to make it, even if you’re a stupid faggot ;)
>>18242075only a demoniac like yourself talks about eating God’s ass. Repent pagan faggot
>>18240513>I'm a retarded brown CatholicCool, have fun burning.
>>18242036And whoever shall scream go to hell to his brother will also to shall go to hell. This is why that 21st century is faithless.
>>18242083See? Christcucks hate it when you ask them about it. Perfect example.
>>18242100>LOOOK
>>18240513>Let the children come to meSounds great. Now let's wait for the children to come to Jesus instead of dunking them in water without them first having faith.I don't think vid related is what Jesus had in mine when he said to baptize peoplehttps://youtu.be/aFGHerqhSC8?si=f1-J4ZGFb7yjCSAT
>>18242108>have kids>dont baptize them>they die and go to hell>and so do youstop being a retard.
>>18240513using a strawman is a sin anon
>>18242112Sacraments without faith are meaningless.
>>18242122ok so infants getting circumsised in the OT is meaningless?
>>18242146They would become men who would see their penises and thus reflect on the covenant. No reflection can be done by those baptized as babies as they merely had a bath they don't remember and of which there is no sign of. Baptism wasn't meant to replace circumcision btw. While we know that circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, early Jewish Christians still practiced circumcision and were validated by James in doing so (Acts 21).
>>18242165It was a yes or no question, try again.
>>18242168nta but he answered your question thougbeit
>>18241186Firstly, modern day paganism is a cringey LARP, so you have no grounds to criticize anyone on their unusual practices. Secondly, the partaking of communion is the literal consumption of the flesh and blood of Christ. It's a highly controversial act, but Christ demanded this of his followers and it is one of the non-negotiable means of salvation. In fact during the Last Supper when he demanded they eat his flesh and blood he lost a significant number of his disciples over the issue. The prots think it's symbolic because they're retarded and their perspective is corrupted by modernity, but every single church father and doctor believed they were consuming his literal flesh and blood when partaking in the communion.
>>18242084Catholicism built Europe, just look how shit Europe has become ever since they abandoned Christianity
>>18242245>Secondly, the partaking of communion is the literal consumption of the flesh and blood of Christ. It's a highly controversial act, but Christ demanded this of his followers and it is one of the non-negotiable means of salvationAnd at no point did he decide to say anything about his mother being co-redemptrix
>>18242122“They say that baptism is nothing unless faith is present. Thus they make baptism a work of man and deny that it is a work of God.”
>>18242251Why do Protestants always deflect when they get btfo in argument?
>>18242253Why did jesus outline the eucharist but couldn't be bothered elaborating on the importance of his mother in the scheme of human salvation?
>>18242254Because you have no conception of an intercessor, which is what she is. Mary is not a throwaway figure in Jesus' story, she had the Holy Spirit dwell in her and through her parenting and that of Joseph's, Christ learned how to be a human.
>>18242271None of which is mentioned by jesus so much as intuited by theologians centuries after the fact 100% not using motivated reasoning to do so
>>18242275I see you also have no conception of the Holy Spirit. There are a lot of doctrines and practices in the apostolic churches that were not taught by Christ, but sanctified by the Holy Spirit through the college of the apostles.
>>18242284>Ok yeah butI accept your concession
>>18242286I accept that you have no conception of the Holy Spirit or an intercessor. That's okay, only people with intellect and spiritual potential are capable of understanding these things.
>>18242301Yeah ok
>>18242302What is this pic supposed to prove? That witchcraft is common in Africa? You sure got me.
This photo alone proves the ultimate triumph of protestantism over popery.
>>18242302Oh, is witchcraft a step too far for the blood drinkers who peddle home made magic water and mystical relics?
>>18242306>increased witchcraft>increased
These threads are all the same. Protestants come in and say stupid shit then Catholics come in to clarify then protestants resort to calling Catholics pedophiles or brown (which is not very christ-like). These arguments have probably been happening since the reformation lol. None of you will suddenly switch denominations because of a 4chan thread. Also I think most of these threads are full of atheists stirring shit up.
>>18242445No, you people don't need help dividing over minor details when your rabbi's entire shtick was that he wanted to be the sword that caused families and nations to be cut into innumerable pieces.
>>18242252Giving a little bath to babies is a work of man.>And baptism, which this prefigured, now saves you—not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers made subject to him.The babies are making no such appeal, they are merely having dirt removed from their bodies.
>>18242248>Satanism built Europe, just look how shit Europe has become ever since they abandoned anti-Satanism.
>>18242445The resident latinx e-caths are as uncharitable to the prots as the prots are to them
>>18240513What if I hate Jesus but love his dad's work? What then? Kind of hard to like a guy who sees me as a yappy pet dog at best and a roving wild beast at worst.
>>18240513You realize that only like 5% of protestants globally are calvinist right?
>>18243429Most online Catholics are still in full schizo mode because Leo put the kibosh on them calling Mary Co-redemptrix despite everyone from Catholic Answers to BasedCathAnimeCholo1492 asserting that she was for the last decade.
>>18243488I mean, the fact that he even had to come out and say it, is pretty much evidence how widespread the Mary worship was getting. You don't really have to come out to address something if it isn't a problem in the first place.
>>18243493It is so absolutely out of hand. It's so painfully obvious from the outside looking in that the Pope is trying to stop a out of control train and doing everything he can to prevent it from going to Pagan town without derailing it. I unironically think the Popes from Vatican I until Pre-Vatican II were worse than the Popes of the 1400s.
>>18243488They've been like this for years. I'm not either side, it's just funny watching them act like they don't engage in the exact same mean-spirited shit-stirring they lambast the 'protties' for.>>18240513
>>18243484I want to meet one of those practicing Calvinists who thinks they're damned. That sounds like a really interesting conversation. >>18243488Wasn't that something from that army of mary heresy in the US? The one with a serious social media presence? I was reading a book the other day where it suggested Anglicans went the other way, which I thought was funny. Those questioned were basically calling her a dirty sinful creature who just happened to drop off Jesus and was then discarded, like the priests were trying to convince that one Byzantine Emperor to do with his 4th wife.
>>18243511By 1662, when Anglicans truly became themselves, they had the Magnificat in their evening prayer, so they still venerated here. 1662 instruction is:>Then shall be said or sung the Psalms in order as they be appointed. Then a Lesson of the Old Testament, as is appointed. And after that Magnificat (or the Song of the Blessed Virgin Mary) in English, as followeth.
>>18243518Eh, this was from an 1860s upperclass man of the laiety who was widely travelled so I suppose belief was getting a bit weird by then. Plus his respondents were all of his class.
>>18243522Currently Anglicanism is weird about Mary, as it's standard to pray the Magnificat but the Angelus is not normal. If you use an Anglican prayer app it does have the option to pray the Angelus in the settings, but it is not in the default rubric of prayers.
>>18243533I've got a sneaking suspicion we'll see a quasi-jewish revival soon. Stuff like modeh ani being used as a sort of window dressing vs the more marian prayers. It'll just be shorn of all the baggae that comes with modern judaism or association with israel. People like drilling down to old practices if it doesn't actually challenge them, religious or otherwise. Should be fun to see. I wish there was a modern Arian church that wasn't a pack of loons like the JW or islam or whatever, that'd be wild to watch post-social media age. Especially in the era of cafeteria catholics.
>>18243540That already exists. It's called Zionist evangelical Christianity. Erika Kirk is big into it.
>>18243542Of course it does. I don't know why I'm surprised. I hate the future.I enjoy religion for all that I'm not a man of faith, but the cultural reactor cores of today are pumping out oddities at a rate that's fucking bonkers. Probably because the evangelicals can't schism the way mid-and-high churches can. Should be fun to see if the jews will treat them the way they do messianic jews. Probably not, since they use zionism rather than judaism as a phrase.
>>18243557I think anti-Zionist Christians should take Hanukah back. Make it about Jesus.
>>18243511>I want to meet one of those practicing Calvinists who thinks they're damned. That sounds like a really interesting conversation.Honestly, I tend to take a calvinist or reformed position when I take christianity on its face (while being a hopeful universalist).I feel like people, even some reformed themselves, take it to mean that they believe they themselves are obviously elect, but in my view you can never say that. We live in the ambiguity of knowing our true salvation in our vast distance from God. But this should not lead us to despair but hope, for God is good and just.
>>18240513That duality is a man made construct not in the Bible anyways. Trusting actual goyim with "Church History" is illegal and really bummy at the end of the day. They keep coping about "Protestant" America.
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