Yesterday I saw this map made by an Austrian nationalist where, as you can see, he tries to claim the Spanish achievements for his miserable country.It's funny seeing delusional germanic and white supremacists trying to claim the achievements of the Spanish empire for them under the pretense that the Habsburg were a "german" family. While it's true that the Habsburg originated from somewhere in Swabia the relevant Habsburgs to the Spanish empire had very little german DNA - they were in fact far more French in culture and blood. Philip the Handsome was more of a Burgundian than he was an Austrian. So in fact Charles V came as someone, from a genetic standpoint, mostly Iberian with some French and very little Germanic>B-but what about culture???As stated before, since his family was very much Burgundian by this point, his main language was French, he probably knew a little Flemish though even in Flanders the Flemish tongue was the language of the peasants and commoners, the upper class spoke mainly French. He learnt German and eventually Spanish too. The latter would for the second phase of his life become his main language. As a matter of fact, when Charles V was crowned emperor by the Pope he did his coronation's speech not in German or even French or Italian but in Spanish!But this doesn't stop here, because due to the famously endogamous nature of the Habsburg, many of the Habsburgs that ruled from Vienna were also more "Spanish" than "German".(1/2)
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>Yesterday I saw this map made by an Austrian nationalist where, as you can see, he tries to claim the Spanish achievements for his miserable country.It's funny seeing delusional germanic and white supremacists trying to claim the achievements of the Spanish empire for them under the pretense that the Habsburg were a "german" family. While it's true that the Habsburg originated from somewhere in Swabia the relevant Habsburgs to the Spanish empire had very little german DNA - they were in fact far more French in culture and blood. Philip the Handsome was more of a Burgundian than he was an Austrian. So in fact Charles V came as someone, from a genetic standpoint, mostly Iberian with some French and very little Germanic>B-but what about culture???>As stated before, since his family was very much Burgundian by this point, his main language was French, he probably knew a little Flemish though even in Flanders the Flemish tongue was the language of the peasants and commoners, the upper class spoke mainly French. He learnt German and eventually Spanish too. The latter would for the second phase of his life become his main language. As a matter of fact, when Charles V was crowned emperor by the Pope he did his coronation's speech not in German or even French or Italian but in Spanish!>But this doesn't stop here, because due to the famously endogamous nature of the Habsburg, many of the Habsburgs that ruled from Vienna were also more "Spanish" than "German".(1/2)
>>18240669This chart is an approximate estimate of the ancestry of the revelant Holy Roman Emperors, you can see that from Ferdinand I (Charles V's brother) to Ferdinand II, the emperors had more Spanish ancestors than German ones. While Germanic supremacists are trying to claim that they "ruled the Spanish empire" the opposite is in fact closer to the truth. And this isn't only seen in ancestry but also in culture and language. If Charles V was fluent in German, none of his succesors on the Spanish throne did as much, starting with Philip II who had a pronounced dislike for German culture and manners. On the other hand, Spanish was widely spoken and appreciated in Vienna's court. Spengler, who white supremacist love to quote, himself talk about how the rigid and ceremonial aspect of the Austrian court were inherited from the Spanish, what German call the "Spanisches Hofzeremoniell" which ultimately remained the standard for the Austrian court until Joseph II in the early 19th century.>tldrBasically, in short, Germanic supremacists are trying to kang Spanish historical achievements like the snow bantus they are by rewriting history and concealing facts. But the truth is that the historical figures they claim for that purpose were mainly Spanish in both blood and culture, as demonstrated above.
>>18240671just wrote a tldr in my second post >>18240677>>18240674this is what the average german citizen will look like in a decade or so, minus the spanish flag.
>>18240679This is what average moorberian already looked like 10 years ago plus leaking blood from his butthurt ass
>>18240683Ok dude.
>>18240669Why do Medabos try to claim Germanic history?
>>18240685You are merely a depigmented iberomaurusian ape
>>18240701It's the opposite, Germans are the ones who are always stealing stuff from French, Iberians, Italians and even Greeks.>Saaaar we wuz habsburg>Saaaar we wuz French kangz>Saaaar we wuz north Italians>Saaaar we wuz Ancient GreeksAnd so on and so forth
GERMANICS ARE VERY PRONE TO DELUSION; GENERALLY, THEY HAVE A DIMINISHED FACULTY OF REASON, COMBINED WITH A DISORDERED IMAGINATION THAT TENDS TO FANTASY, WHICH IS WHY SO MANY IDEALISTICAL SOPHISTS, AND HERETICAL PERVERSIONS, COME FROM GERMANIC LANDS; THIS GERMANIC MALADY REACHED ITS CVLMEN IN THE XX CENTURY WITH THE TWO GREAT WARS.GERMANICS ARE KEPT IN CHECK WITH ROTE MECHANICAL WORK, WHICH MAKES THEM EXCELLENT ENGINEERS, BUT, WHEN THEY STRAY FROM THIS, THEY BECOME DELIRIOUS AND DANGEROUS.
>>18240723>We wuz HabsburgKek, hispanistas truly are braindead
>>18240743aren't you that pedo from /tv/
>>18240743Trvthnvke from my favourite Mexicans>>18240745Maximilian is irrelevant to Spain, I don't know why you posted him
>>18240745If I saw this man's face on the street I would never think he's a German, I don't know of any German who has a nose that big.
>>18240760his mother was portuguese and his father half german half polishso yeah actually that's another habsburg who is more iberian than german, and it shows in his olive complexion and aquiline nose
>>18240760>>18240767Actually I just found out that Charles V and Maximilian most recent German/Austrian ancestor, Ernest of Austria, was only half German himself as his mother was Italian noblewoman Viridis Visonti.So all in all Charles V was ONLY 3% German!!!!Insane stuff.
>>18240745>>18240760>>18240767>>18240776So basically, Maximilian was a medbvll, mostly iberian with a little italian, and little german DNA dilluted in slavic oneit indeed shows in his portrait, a olive skinned man with a prominent nose, definitely mediterranean traits
>>18240777WE WUZ GERMANS N SHIIEET REDEEM EUROPE PAOLO MY FAGGOT
>>18240780Germanics are the ones trying to claim hispanic achievements, retard, not the other way around.
>>18240782Now if you could please point out where in the Iberian peninsula the ancestral castle of the Habsburgs is located.
>>18240792You are retarded.
>>18240792I did say in OP post that they had their origins in Swabia but this isn't really relevant to the topic at hand.
>>18240782is there anything culture Asspaniards have except butthurt and wewuzzing ?>>18240795You're brown>>18240792Switzerland has 10 mexicans and 20,000 Spanish slave workers so that means its real iberian clay or something
>>18240803Take your meds, schizo.
>>18240803>You're brownYeah and so was Charles V and his succesors. That's the whole point of this thread
>>18240811Lmao you latinx will never be western not even remotely connected to Roman and Germanic bloodlines
>Uses the Germanische Blick to spook King Fernando chudchin into giving Aragon to CharlesAre spics that scared of Germanics?
>>18240669YJK this OP was not made by a Spaniard, but instead a brown South American.
>>18240818Spaniards have roman admixture but no germanic admixture, the latter is an immense source of pride>>18240830>OP is a latinx he's not southern european!!!>BTW look at this very obviously anti southern european meme I madeNordicists are such a clown show
>Can't counterargue>Resort to braindead, /po/-tier, "ur brown" racism
I don't even care about being called brown, what I dislike is trying to associate us with MENA when we're nothing like them geneticallyBut I don't particularly want to be like the pigskinned north western europeans either
>>18240840>/po/Hey man, what did the paperfolders ever do to you?
>>18240856lol
>>18240847Ok gypsy.
>>18240669Another latinx seethe thread. Go eat a burrito or something
>>18240880>Still no arguments>Randomly assuming I'm from latam as a sort of gotcha when I'm clearly from europe
>>18240669As stated before, since his family was very much Burgundian by this point, his main language was French, he probably knew a little Flemish though even in Flanders the Flemish tongue was the language of the peasants and commoners, the upper class spoke mainly French.This statement is so wrong holy shit. We know for sure that the burgundians were raised bilingually dutch/french from charles the bold onwards precisely because the ruling classes of the cities flanders/brabant/holland spoke dutch and the burgundians didn't want to be seen as foreign rulers to them.We have letters that show philip the good urging his son's tutors to ensure he speaks dutch fluently because the support of the burghers to his rule was instrumental
>>18240839Are nordicists with us in the room right now ?
>>18240917You seriously think Dutch had even remotely the same standing as French?
>>18240932That depends, in the south, in Brabant and Flanders, French would have been preferred. In Holland, Gelre, and the other northern provinces Dutch was both the language spoken at court and in the country
ITT: Brown hands
>>18240935This is maybe correct about the nobility but in the cities dutch was the primary language of the administration since the 13th century. As the cities were more important sources of revenue than the nobility, speaking dutch fluently was instrumental for the burgundian dukes.>>18240932I don't 'think' this, it is historical consensus. (depending on the region of course, dutch had higher standing in Holland, Gelre & Utrecht, equal in brabant in flanders and was rarely used in Artois, Namur and Hainaut.C.A.J. Armstrong, "The Language Question inthe Low Countries: the Use of French and Dutch by the Dukes of Burgundy and theirAdministration", in: England, France and Burgundy in the Fifteenth Century,London 1983, p. 189-212.
>>18240935the Flanders are the relevant part to what we're talking about here. I don't doubt that present day Netherlands were more germanized but they were less important at that point.>>18240939That's an arab man with a visigothic (germanic) woman.
>>18240961>the Flanders are the relevant part to what we're talking about hereand the administration of the most important cities in flanders (Brugge, Gent, Ieper) had been monolingually dutch since the 13th century. Also in brabant the charter that gave the cities more rights in 1312 was written entirely in dutch. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_of_KortenbergYou have no (0) idea what you are talking about.
>>18240972You're grasping at straws. The mother tongue of Charles V was French and the main language of the habsburg-burgundian court was also French, period.
>>18240972>>18240961oh also the great privilige of 1477 which confirmed maria of burgundy as duchess stipulated that dutch shall be the language of government in all the low countries except in Namur, Hainaut & Artois. Read for yourself.
>>18240974Charles V was raised bilingual french/dutch, the main language at court was french, but it was not the sole language. We have a letter from his tutor Charles de Croy to Maximilian that states: "According to your wish I'll ensure he learns Brabantic from the moment his tongue is capable and that he can read it". Quoted in Armand Rassaerts, De jeugdjaren van keizer Karel in Mechelen, p. 54.You have literally given no sources and are just talking out your ass, I'm not the one grasping at straws here. Read nigger, read!
>>18240679>this is what the average german citizen will look like in a decade or so, minus the spanish flag.and that's a good thing!
>>18240723>be brunettoid>claim blonde gods as yours
>>18240882Ok, Moortugal or Asspain? Both are latam shitholes at this point.
>>18241344Alll in all better than germanics countries
Bvmp
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>>18240669it's just kids, all northern wignats eventually grow up. most spics otoh (and i mean both spainards and latinx americans) seem to have some inferiority+superiority complex these days, which is weird because they used to be mostly chill. ironically immigrants from what i've seen don't have this problem, even the terminally online ones just larp as huwhite.
ok, you're brown though
>>18240748He's one of the last recognizible crossboard tripfags of this website.
>>18240723They are Hapsburgs though
>>18240669Austria would have Bavaria (1866), Genoa (1849) and Italy whole overseas colony
>>18242772Yeah but how does this negate an ything i said>>18242821Not all of them. The ones in Spain had nothing to do with germans or germany and germans can't use them to claim the achievements of the Spanish nation
>>18243062those elite Spaniards were of Gothic descent anyway, you're a moor
>>18241342Brunettes can claim Zeus, Poseidon and Hades, the strongest gods
>>18243069>saaaaaar we wuz kangzThe whole germanic discourse, never fail
>>18243464you can't handle the truth, the kings and nobility were obviously not the same race as the moor masses like you
>>18243502>le 100% Germanic Visigoth face
>>18243571I see a very dolichocephalic head, light brown hair tending to dark blonde, and extremely pale skin by Iberian standards. You're proving my point for me right now. But browns aren't very smart.
>>18243595>light brown hair tending to dark blondeVarg's world.
>>18243595He's not extrememy pale but normal and not dark blonde but dark brown and otherwise you described the most spanish dude ever
>>18243571>>18244339Why cant you faggots just accept that 99% of humanity stems from peasantry, crop growers, slaves. Visigoths are a part of your history, deal with it, you fucking faggots.
>Spics had to steal their word for white from the Germanshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Spanish_words_of_Germanic_origin
>>18240677these stats look like chatgpt text :/
>>18240961>rising another man babyArabs a cuck
>>18240669The map clarifies that the lands held in South America were under personal union. What's the point here, the European nobility is and was very intermixed.
>>18245581Austria had NOTHING to do with territory in America>>18244572I did the genealogical work myself (not difficult, you just hace to check wikipedia) but used AI to organize the while thing.>>18244546There are far more latin words in gerlanic languages than the other way around, not sure what you're trying to prove here
>>18244369Visigoths were part of Spanish history from the 5th to the 8th century, at which point they were drove to extinction by the muslim. Talking abojt Visigoths in Spain beyond that period is anochronical
>>18245595*anachronical
>>18245595There was still Visigoth-descended nobility after the muslim conquest that survived in the Christian kingdoms and in al-Andalus, in the latter case either by making a deal with the muslims to pay tribute or by converting to Islam and becoming part of the new elite; in the former case by fleeing up north. Nevertheless they had already been mixing themselves with the old Roman nobility prior and they would have continued to do so over time.
>>18245591>Austria had NOTHING to do with territory in AmericaAnon…https://www.labrujulaverde.com/en/2023/12/how-liechtenstein-could-have-bought-alaska/
>Austria>miserable countryLiterary one of the most prosperous countries in the world with cutting edge global suppliers, world renowned universities and a center of global diplomacy. What does Spain even have lmao?
>>18240677Is this assuming the Trastamara side of Charles is fully Iberian?
>>18247157>What does Spain even have lmao?An endless horde of Anglo-German-Dutch tourists who regularly wreck the place and only get a slap on the wrist.
>>18240677Charles was 1-2 Jewish?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfonso_Enr%C3%ADquez
>>18247208Based.Now grab us uno beero, that's a good lad
>>18247157>Literary one of the most prosperous countries in the world with cutting edge global suppliers, world renowned universities and a center of global diplomacy.Shit nobody care about awardIt's also one of the most replaced country in the west, Vienna is almost London tier, and half of austrians kids don't speak germans. Even that famous Austrian identitarian Martin Sellner said that Madrid still looked like a proper city in comparison to the cloaca that is Vienna.Also we're discussing history. Compared to Spain, Austria history is mediocre, this is why you're trying to steal our history while we don't care about yours (which barely exists, in fact)>>18247207It pretty much was, there was some remote French and English (so, french) but it was about 1/8. The iberian monarchs rarely married outside the peninsula.>>18247220Seems like slander by political opponent, no conclusive proof>>18247208>>18247236England, Germany and the Netherlands are literally raped countries with ridiculously high rape and murder rates and I can only laugh at their predicament. Like imagine a little piss haired germanic girl getting raped by dozens of pakis and then being literally cut into dozens of pieces like she's in dexter. Shit is so hilarious, and kind of hot.
>>18247535what's tostiloco guttierez here babbling about
>>18247539About this very hot thing.I hope germanics continue to get raped by pakis and turks, for one thing because it's actually making me both horny and laugh, and for the second because it can be used as propaganda against immigration. Win-Win scenario
>>18247559>Gypsies steal shit from dumb touristsAnd I'm sorry but getting your phone stolen isn't in the same order of getting raped or killed
>>18247572>Gypsiescool it with the anti-spanish remarks
>>18240669>Spanish boy can't get a job so he has to resign himself to posting cope all day on /his/
>>18247572spain literally has the same murder rate as the netherlands you retard
>>18247793You're still doomed. The indonesian jew didn't do shit and you just re elected a left that will finish replacing you. Good job.
