So I think we all agree that Nazi Germany was the closest thing to a perfect civilizational system for the West, but what were its biggest weaknesses?Some things I would consider:>Too much Cult of Personality and focus on the leader, the movement would have died with Hitler, it should have been about the idea, not the man>Economy that required expansion>No answer for corporate greedOther than that, it was pretty much perfectOr what does /his/ think?
>>18241466Why don't you just ack yourself.
Maybe they should've also taken it more easy with wanting to invade all of their neighbours? Lot of young European men died because of that bullshit
>>18241466>we all agree that Nazi Germany was the closest thing to a perfect civilizational systemNo.
>>18241568Ok, then what was?
>>18241466>So I think Better not think if you don't have any experience at that.
>>18241569That's like asking what species of ant is most like a human.
>>18241569Francoist Spain.
>>18241466Actually the Soviet Union was the greatest Western nation for saving Poland from savage G*rman apes
>>18241569USSR
>>18241569The Holy Roman Empire
>>18241466>fights one (1) war>loses so badly they're litt raped in two and the government ACKed one way or the other and National Socialism blackened for all eternitySome system.
>>18241653Yeah, it just took the whole world to come together to beat a single country
>>18241466Why did Hitler capture a Rothschild and then ransom him away for money? Sounds incredibly jewish desu
>>18241466Anti-Russism is the one largest fault I point to. The Slavic hate was unnecessary. The real enemy was America.
>>18241466>>Too much Cult of Personality and focus on the leader, the movement would have died with Hitler, it should have been about the idea, not the mannot necessarily. Mao had a big personality cult too. It depends on the people that inherit the state>>Economy that required expansionthey didn't expand because of economic reasons. Rather they organized the economy to be able to expand>>No answer for corporate greedcorporations were mostly under control of the nazi party. Like in modern China there wasn't much room for capitalist adventures going against state interests.I would say their weak point was diplomacy. They should have never provoked a war in western Europe yet they were overconfident and took the risk even though they should have focused on the USSR
>>18241466It would have solved the 4chan poster problem because they purged retards so there's that.
>>18241618>Animal cruelty is heroic.
>>18241466>So I think we all agree that Nazi Germany was the closest thing to a perfect civilizational system for the WestFalse but everyone ripped off a ton of their shit and dressed it up under prettier terms.
>>18241466>Perfect system>Shorter lifespan than my Labrador Retriever Uh sure buddy haha
>>18241569As a Swiss man, I'm pretty fucking happy with my comfy country and direct democracy. No wonder Nazis hated us, Switzerland is the antithesis to all their bullshit >Decentralized federation (Nazis centralized Germany and destroyed federalism)>Multilingual with no ethnic focus (we're German, French, Italian and Romansh speakers) >Democracy for everything, literally have multiple referendums every year >Absolutely no Führer or any single "great leader", we have 5 presidents and nobody gives a fuck who they are
>>18241466>create a system that is literally based around war/invading/plundering neighbouring countries>invade everyone>things go great :)>until you bite more than you could chew and get reck>nazi Germany was so great guys... It's just that those inconvenient bongs and subhuman slavs fought back instead of letting us win :(
read evola's notes on the third reich
Disappointed with this thread. Real 3rd worlder hours, I suppose.
>>18241466The problem was the Nazis prioritized the success of Germany over the success of Nazism itself. I don’t think they didn’t care about the west embracing Nazism but they were way too confident in their own abilities to be its figurehead. If a fascist revolution happened in a western country today their success would be predicated on serving as a selfless ideological beacon for its democratic brothers (a sort of nazi Trotskyism if you will).
>>18242421National Socialism was only ever intended to be an ideology for Germans and very closely related peoples
>>18242266It won't be your country for much longer, so how is that system working out now?
>>18241578>A perfect system>Collapses as soon as the founder diesEven more pathetic than the death of the Soviet Union. No matter what tradcath larpers think, "just make everyone go to church" isn't a cure to the ills of modernity.Captcha: FLOP
>>18241466Perfect no, but certainly the most beautiful, they truly created an unparalleled Masterpiece of statebuilding
>>18242466>a perfect systemNo one said that. It was closest to a perfect system.
>>18241569Liberal democracy
>>18241466>Too much Cult of Personality and focus on the leaderThey called it a people's movement. It's the whole reason for nation and social in the national socialism. I know you're not serious, but you could at least stick to the basic facts.>Economy that required expansionThat comes from Israeli propaganda because Israel is running a plunder economy.
>>18241553Britain and France declared war on Germany.
>>18242478>They called it a people's movement.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Oath>That comes from Israeli propaganda because Israel is running a plunder economyIsrael's economy relies on tech which is overwhelmingly concentrated in areas outside the disputed territories, and occupied by people who mostly support the 2-state solution. It is a matter of historical fact that Hitler boosted Germany's economy by running deficit spending which could only be sustained by expansionism.
>>18242475Liberal Democracy only works in homogenous countries with little or no existential threatsIt's collapsing right now from immigration and threats of war
>>18242205nazis were less than animals
>>18241466Their economy didnt require expansion and they had extremely robust labor unions.>>18242475>>18242266>You know what the fellow said—in Italy, for thirty years under the Borgias, they had warfare, terror, murder, and bloodshed, but they produced Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci, and the Renaissance. In Switzerland, they had brotherly love, and they had 500 years of democracy and peace. And what did that produce? The cuckoo clock.
>>18241466>dysfunctional economy reliant on conquest, looting and slave labour>politics based around bribes and/or coercion to top officials to keep them loyal>foreign policy focused on killing off 90% of the world's population>military ran by meth-fiends which was only successful when they let unit commanders do what they want instead of being run by absolute idiots that were the OKWTruly the most perfect political system. Like I get it had cool aesthetics and were very good at propaganda, but holy fuck was it a stupid system. Fucking Kaiser had it better figured out.As for perfect political system: I'd just say: corporatist mixed market economy with a healthy dose of civic nationalism and a strong emphasis on meritocracy. It's what nazies larped as but they were never anywhere near it.
>>18242538>And what did that produce?Comfy life for them while germans were slaughtered and raped after they give absolute rule to a guy who though that he was being posseded by some pagan spirit and had to declare war on everyone because of that
>>18242538>Their economy didnt require expansionIt was literally one of the reasons they started the war as soon as they did. Their "miracle" recovery relied on debts by the Reichsbank to the government which could only be covered by large amount of foreign currency. Had they continued without war, their entire economy would collapse in few years. Even without debt problems, it was very unevenly developed and would not be sustainable without foreign raw resources. It was visible even during the war by the fact that they got fucked in the production game (and military production is what they put most of their efforts other than few propaganda civilian projects like VW)
>>18242532is that why they had a higher HDI and KDR than the Cuck Union?
>>18242542>comfy life>boring, uninteresting, uncared for, not worth living????>slaughtered and rapedI thought the Germans were doing the slaughtering and raping?>absolute rule to a pagan god reborn in the modern worldK I N OINO
>>18242550nazi germany was a land of poverty and degeneracy, Soviet Union was wastly superior and that's why they won
>>18242547Nope.You havent looked at their economy at all.Their miracle recovery had a lower debt to GDP ratio than England and France did, and vastly lower than the US does today. The German economy relied on productivity to remain solvent.How do you even think economy of conquest works? You invade a country and then what? Take their gold to print money? not how it works.You turn them into a tax farm? again not how it works.economies of conquest DO NOT WORK in the industrial society because productivity cant really be looted and productive capacity has a cap on its throughput, e.g. Germany had more than enough already to continue growing productivity for the foreseeable future, they had enough raw resources, they outpaced Britian in its primary sectors like textiles and steel - breaking England's 300 year pseudo-monopoly on textiles btw.Germany's productive capacity was worth more than all the gold in Europe at the time outside of the USSR and England.>large amount of foreign currencyWhat the fuck does this even mean?Foreign currency? They take Tovarisch bucks and give them to Heinz n Heinz auto?Again, NOT HOW IT WORKSProductivity is what matters not "currency" that is why Western economies are so powerful despite their debts.Think of Productivity like income if it exceeds your debt, youre fucked for the next few economic cycles, if your productivity stays ahead of your debt, you're fine, you're making more than you spend.Germany's productivity was waaaay ahead of their debt.Germany's largest production sector was steelmilitary production is a secondary element of the economy, not a primary.Read Michael Hudson.
>>18242553place of demons is in hell
>>18242558I dont see the Soviet Union anymore but I still see Germany and plenty of Nazis.What year did HIV in the USSR become more common than it is in Africa?
>>18242561nazi state lived shorter than most dogs lol, where are your nazis?
>>18242563>where are your naziskilled and raped, their bones drown in cesspools, lying nerbay the monuments that their own women erected that celebrate their defeat
>>18241466Only if you believe, like leftists, that the west is inherently evil and can only exist through the spread of evil. Nazi Germany perfected nothing but evil. It's why the entire population of Germany could have been slaughtered and it would have been inherently righteous.
>>18241466Hitler's main failure is that he never managed to connect a practical strategy with his long-term goals. For example he didn't think Britain would go to war over Poland. A lot has been written about Stalin's motivations for the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact but Hitler believed that if he wasn't facing a threat from Russia then Britain (and France) wouldn't go to war. He was mistaken but I think fundamentally his own narrow, amoral and racial views led him into a strategy that contradicted his own ideology. He saw Britain as similar in racial terms and didn't understand them.>>18241466>Economy that required expansion>>18242478>That comes from Israeli propaganda because Israel is running a plunder economy.>>18242483>It is a matter of historical fact that Hitler boosted Germany's economy by running deficit spending which could only be sustained by expansionism.>>18242547>It was literally one of the reasons they started the war as soon as they did. Their "miracle" recovery relied on debts by the Reichsbank to the government which could only be covered by large amount of foreign currency ... it was very unevenly developed and would not be sustainable without foreign raw resources.It's more a sort of Marxist argument (or just an argument based in political economy). Adam Tooze is the most well known economist who makes this argument (he's not a Marxist though). But the counter-argument is that it confuses effect for the cause, and it was the German leadership making a political decision to expand and go to war from the outset that was the reason they went to war, and then they bent the economy around that, so it's actually politics that were "driving" this whole thing. At any rate it's probably not either/or.
>>18242561>BUt I still see GermanyNazi Germany was wiped off the map and everybody involved with it killed. You also still see communists and the USSR lasted longer so by meritocratic processes it is stronger.
>>18242591Hitler had a long term strategy: It was the total destruction of all human civilization. That was why nothing he did mattered in the short term. Every death he caused was a victory. Every country ruined was one step closer to his goal. When your goal is a absolute and perfect genocide of humanity itself, you don't need to think in terms of realpolitiks. All that mattered is the death you cause. It's like expecting a school shooter to have a long term strategy. Hitler's flaw with the UK is that they were run by humans and he wasn't one. He could no mater understand them than a dog could understand a human.
>>18242480Because Germany broke all pacts and kept invading other European countries, you absolute retard.
>>18242599I think Hitler was human but his views were basically evil and Nazism was really extreme although that's a normative claim. He didn't want to kill just because he was insane like a school shooter, it was bound up a larger revolutionary project of which he was the leader over a modern mass dictatorship in which killing was the logical consequence. He was actually much more popular than the NSDAP too which was widely viewed as corrupt.
>>18242616He called himself Aryan, denying his own humanity. It's fair to say he was just full of shit, but either he was totally mentally ill or he was a animal. > it was bound up a larger revolutionary project of which he was the leader over a modern mass dictatorship in which killing was the logical consequence. I honestly believe killing was the goal because the project, in practice, could only be achieved through the death of most of the world population. The only question being the degree to which he understood that and the degree to which he cared.
>>18242599>>18242622you're funny. No one believes any of that cartoon nonsense though. Maybe Himmler was a billions must die race war chud, Hitler was more moderate
>>18242480Because Germany declared on Poland. Why did Germany start a war with Poland knowing it would cause a world war? Remember Hermany knew this was the final red line. France and Britian were vocal about the guarantee
>>18242444>Retard Yankoid series "immigrants" and flips out immediately A) a lot of those are literally just Germans or Italians coming here for better salaries and Quality of Life B) those which aren't are usually Portuguese, Croatian, Serbian, etc. i.e other EuropeansC) as mentioned we are not an ethnostate so nobody cares because we know their kids will be well educated in our robust and superior public schooling
>>18242538*Yawn* who cares what this fat American actor thought? My life is good, my childrens' life will be good, a wise man is content with simple satisfaction and peace. What else is there to life if not peacefully enjoying it with friends and family?
>>18242553>thought the Germans were doing the slaughtering and raping?They were, until they met opponents who could actually fight back and give them a taste of their own medicine.
>>18242566>>18242560>>18242558>>18242532>18241618>18241589What is hitler-stalin pact of 1940, you tankie?
>>18242553>boring, uninteresting, uncared for, not worth livingYour opinions. Thus irrelevant
>>18242595Germany still exists, the USSR does not.Does America cease existing every election cycle because leadership personnel are replaced?If we go by this metric the Stalinist USSR barely outlived Hitler and collapsed on its own with a complete betrayal of its foundational principles, by meritocratic processes it is vastly inferior to Hitler's Germany, which took a half decade long war to defeat, while the Stalinist USSR fell apart with its leader pissing and shitting himself.>you still see communistsnope.>everybody involved with it killednope.There are still Nazis from that era around today and a significant number of Nazis survived literally by merit alone such Heinz Haber and Wernher von Braun.You forgot to mention where you are from? Is your HDI higher than Germany's?
>>18242563>>18242566I still see Nazis everywhere, mostly their own enemies have realized they were right and have rehabilitated them, even adopted their imagery.There are Nazis in Slavland today literally murdering Slavniks with German tanks while Slavic women are given to jeets.But the real humiliation is israel, which finds itself surrounded, hated, its communities globally reviled, never before in history have the jews been as a group globally identified and so reviled for their crimes against humanity.Where can the jews run to when the world is against them?Who can say "slava" as the Swastika Banners ride into Russia at a ratio of 14:1. just shy of Germany's own 15:1.Hitler wonblacks love HitlerHispanics love HitlerWhites love Hitlerhalf of the jews have admitted they have a grudging respect for Hitler
>>18241466Not anywhere close to perfect for Jews.
>>18242801Germany did not know it would cause a world war.That is why when Germany saw the war escalating they offered peace to Poland, no territorial changes would occur, German troops would withdraw, the only change would be Germany assumes responsibility for Danzig, something Poland themselves told Britain they wanted but Britain said no for some reason, likely because Britain wanted a wedge issue because Britain wanted Germany to go to war for Danzig so Britain could justify bringing 1/3 of the Planet against Germany.Britain declined Germany's offer on behalf of Poland and entered the war six hours later.>the final red lineWhy is Britain drawing red lines in Eastern Europe? Thats on the other side of the map lmao.
>>18242605Germany didnt actually break any pacts.
>>18241466Nazi's biggest weakness was definitely that they lost the war, otherwise they would have proven that having a super-strong leader who uses cool symbols and tells everyone who to blame for problems is the best way to run a country. It's a shame they didn't have modern social media to control the narrative better, that would have solved the personality cult issue because people could have just followed the Hitler online instead.
>>18243108their break their anuses as the big soviet cock claimed them
>>18243106Germany didn't need Danzig. It is well documented before Germany invaded Poland that the British and French would retaliate for German aggression. The only reason the invasion happened is because Hitler didn't believe the British and French would honor their treaty like how he wiped his ass with Munich
>>18243179Hitler never violated Munich. Chamberlain even said he didn’t violate Munich. If you disagree then post what point of Munich was violated.Germany did need Danzig to bring this isolated German city back into the Reich.Britain couldnt allow this because?You’re arguing Britain actually wanted war btw. If Britain didn’t want war, they’d have never made a problem over Danzig where Germany is clearly in the right and Poland agrees with Germany, Danzig’s responsibility should belong to the Reich.Hitler “invaded” because he thought Poland was going reinforce Danzig and the effort wouldn’t be worth the risk.So why did Britain make an issue over Danzig?Why not draw the redline at a country that actually matters to Britain economically or geopolitically?Especially given how Britain was completely important in 1939 and much of 1940, why bother with a war over a nothingburger?
>>18243277if Britain truly wanted war then why didn't they confront Germany when they were far weaker and Britain had the upper hand? why not let them attempt an invasion of the Sudetenland and then invade the Rhineland?
>>18243277>Germany did need DanzigThey didn't. Germany wouldn't cease to exist unless they got Danzig. Germany wanted Danzig sure, but they did not NEED it.
>>18243307There were Germans in Danzig
>>18242266Switzerland is a land of greedy opertunists that only remain united because of money
>>18244629There are Swedes on Åland.There are Russians in EstoniaThere are Turks in BulgariaDoesnt mean they NEED those places.You really dont seem to understand the difference between wanting and needing.I fully believe Germany could have gotten Danzig peacefully over the course of time if they had continued the press the issue for the rest of the 20th century, kinda like how China eventually obtained Hong Kong and Macau. The problem was to press the issue in 1939, right after Prague and Klaipeda. Everyone was on high alert over Germanys 'real' intentions, the inclusion of the Czech state especially gave fuel to the warhawks that Hitler only used Sudetenland Germans as a springboard for the Czech population, and would do the same with Danzig to the rest of Poland.Hitler should have kept his head down after Prague and Klaipeda but proceeded to push for more, with the threat (and eventual execution) of invasion if he didnt immediately get his way. It only confirmed suspicion that Hitler would stop at nothing so the only alternative left was to declare war.Whether you're a neonazi and believe Hitler was being truthful really doesnt matter, its how the people at the time saw the events unfolding. Hitler gave them little time to analyze the situation to take proper course of actions. He is the reason ww2 broke out because it was simply a massive failure of diplomacy not to know your audiance and thus not knowing when it's time to take a step back.But what to expect from two ideologically hijacked head of government, one being a failed art student, and his appointed foreign minister whos greatest merit was having been wine merchant. It's no wonder they failed miserably.
