Everything that happened prior to the Middle Ages is basically hearsay. We can verify broad events with archaeology but not much else. Specific historical figures less notable than like "literal Roman emperor" probably never existed, or rather if they did exist the only similarity would be e.g. "there was a Spartan noble named Leonidas who lived during the Greco-Persian wars." None of their specific deeds, quotes, or personalities are verifiable. No one's are before the Middle Ages. And even medieval people are very scant on recrds compared to c. 1450 onward.>but I read Herodotus! No you didn't. You read a book made by Byzantine scholars in the 10th century, the oldest verified manuscript of the Histories. We assume that all 800-odd pages are accurate because we found a few papyrus scroll from the 1st-3rd century [so still 500-700 years after he died] that had broadly similar [but still different] text from a few of those pages. That's it.>but I read Pliny's letters!No you didn't. The most widely disseminated versions of Pliny's letters come from the 11th century, and those are believed to be based on an alleged transcription written in the 5th century.>but I read Caesar's commentaries!Oldest copy dates from late 9th century France.>but I read Polybius!Oldest copy of his work to 10th century Italy.
>>18241727Mesopotamian works. Dead sea scrolls and the discovered Poetry of Sappho.
>>18241733>The oldest surviving fragment of Sappho currently known is the Cologne papyrus which contains the Tithonus poem;[22] it dates to the third century BC.[23]She died over 300 years prior.
>>18241737Fair. But it's pretty wild that we have older Sappho than Homer.
>>18241727>hearsayhaplogroups don't lie.
>actually caring about any historical topic prior to the 15th century
>>18241800this
All I care about is pussy, money, and dope.
>>18241800why would i care about a tiny grain of sand in the vast millenia of human activity
>>18241827More than you'd think.https://www.prb.org/articles/how-many-people-have-ever-lived-on-earth/About 1/3 of all humans ever born were born after 1200. A larger portion of those that made it to adulthood.
>>18241727Would you unironically believe that all the human skeleton discovered represent all the people that lived in the past? Let's hope you understand the problem and reflect with this.
>>18241845???
>>18241792Not really. Sappho was sung at weddings and the like and was ubiquitous in culture and day to day life. Today her relative irrelevance is actually more astounding.
>>18241727No shit Sherlock. Documents are fragile, so they tend to be frequently copied with older copies being discarded. That’s why the oldest copies of the Vedas date to the medieval period despite having been composed in the second millennium BC. That’s why the oldest copies of the New Testament date to a few after after Jesus’ crucifixion.
>>18241856*few centuries after after Jesus’ crucifixion mb
>>18241733>Mesopotamian worksHe still has no answer for this
>>18241727Eurofags don't even know how the BIGGEST defeat in ancient civilization occurred in MENA when the Roman Empire and the Sasanian Empire collapsed to camel jokeys. History is what they make up in their Indian-Euro Freemason Judeo-Christian lodges.>Ib4 Germs refugees collapsed the Roman EmpireMedfags cope. Romans wealthy empire was in the East not their shithole homeland. Eurofags replicate the Roman empire strategies in their take over of the Americas, Africa, India, Oceania etc..and get filthy rich from them to rebuild their shithole homelands.
I am still confused how the book of Luke is dated. Supposedly the oldest copy of Christ Joshua in the corpus is the story of his passion at the hands of the Greek translated word for probably religious leaders, chiefmen of some sort, and maybe the scribes, priests, and other people from the greater Judean region; maybe the hometown heroes who almost murdered CJ (i.e. Christ Joshua) off a cliff and then were thwarted showed up at least at the Golgotha event.This part is attested much later: Christ is bound by rope to a cross (no nail), his knees are spared because he is declared legally dead, he takes a stab to the spleen or something (went right through ya!), he is fed wine or perhaps vinegar, perhaps he spits out the vinegar and makes a semitich YEECKHHH sound to express his distaste for the liquid forcefed to my savior Christ Jayoeshua (Joshua, like the tree guy, but instead of Jayosh you just say Josh but in semitich language they are differentiated and annoyingly wrong).After sundown, all the Jews go home because they are obedient to God's holy rulebook under threat of crucifixion. They are scared metaphysically and morally. Very old cognition in my opinion, or ironic text for the lucid. I am lucid on that cannabis here.The idea here is that I am wondering if anyone knows if the dating on that parchment with the Greek sentences that now comprises the book of Luke wherein the some people petition the Roman authorities to please please we need it arrest and execute Joshua for his definitely legitimate charges. and they weren't being sly because it was the iron age and they were the old ruling class. Bad luck in a way.I personally doubt the septaguint and aristotle. This is because I haven't a clue how to answer my questions regarding authenticity.I am a bad poster from the other place. If i make another post I will space it and edit it.
>>18241727The Rosetta Stone, the Famine Stele, the Parthian Marbles..?
>>18241930What's this dancing boy babbling about
>laughs in linear BBetter luck next time snowmonkey
>>18242390>>18241871The average history enthusiast has not read these or taken any value for them. OP is obviously referring to shit like Herodotus or Suetonius or Plutarch.
>>18241727>Reminder that you have never, ever once actually read a primary source from before the Middle AgesWe found scrolls in Pompeii and they figured out how to make them legible. There's a wealth of papyrus documents surviving, they found a Jewess in a cave around the Dead Sea that had all of her documentation on her person, she died around the time of the Jewish revolts and was a relative of one of the leader's.Also literal inscriptions on monuments. For the longest time, monuments were our primary textual sources.You're welcome.
>>18241727...what about the dead sea scrolls....
>>18241727Okay what kind of semantics or dishonest reasoning are you going to use to discredit hieroglyphics and other surviving stone inscriptions?
>>18242395>Saar we Eurofags conquered the world because of superior weapons and superior geneticsLow iq camel jockeys untrained, badly equipped and not immune to filthy pigskin Indian-Euro pig eating plagues conquer swiftly their most powerful empires of the time. What's their response after 1400 years of "History" research?>Saar we wuz tired. Saars wuz very tired. Please know money, power, superior weapons and superior genetics failed us saar. Please always remember how Rome fell saar, do you think about how Rome failed every day saar? We do. Rome was destroyed by brown refugees saar not germ refugees saar always remember the Rome Empire saar.KekMeanwhile Islamists been killing each others for 1400 years and never collapsed.
>>18242720Why is allah not helping the righteous cause of the palestinians ahmed? Lol!
so what are you saying OP?
>>18241854She feels more pagan than Homer, as odd as that sounds.
>>18243007He is, he is playing the nation of Israel into portraying themselves as a nation of genocidal maniacs deserving of destruction.
>>18241727>No you didn't ACTUALLY read Moby Dick, you only read a copy printed 175 years later!!!This is what you sound like. As if a copy has no relation to the original, fuckin retard.>>18242107Some scholars date Luke to the early 2nd century AD because it has a LOT of parallels with the Antiquities of Josephus (90s AD), and the material fits better in Josephus, suggested "Luke" used it as a source.
>what are chinese worksOP is a nigger, as usual
>>18241727Yes. Understanding knowledge, where it came from, why we believe it, and how we can know it’s “true” or at least how one idea can be more “true” than another is an interesting field of study. Philosophy of science.
>>18243284I'm sure that the Islamic will do something about it, then!Aaaaaaany day now. Maybe they should raise the flag of "we will seriously do something next time"
>>18241733OP utterly BTFO in one post
>>18243575>>what are chinese worksAll commie forgeries.
>>18241727Nancy Pelosi’s birth certificate.
>>18241727So what about the literally hundreds of thousands of coins, armor, potsherds, monuments, inscriptions, graffiti, etc etc etc?And would you apply this logic to other areas where none of the supporting evidence exists?
>>18242554Pictures of men in skirts is not a “textual source”
>>18243497>This is what you sound like. As if a copy has no relation to the original, fuckin retard.There is no verification of the originals even existing for most of these things.
