>Be me>Study history at my local university>Have a lecture on ww1>Very excited to hear the academic take on ww1 instead of 4chan shitposting and youtube>Lecturer talks about how Brest-Litovsk was an attempt by Germany to annex vast parts of Russia and turn it into a German empire and was just another step towards the foundations for Hitlers Lebensraum.>Lecturer says this also proves the German plans for the west if they also had won there.God damn this feels like a fucking scam. If this is so blatantly false then I'm starting to wonder what else they've told me during my entire course that is actually untrue.
>>18242691Lecturer is more correct than you, dumb frogposter
>Noooooooo why isn't the university lecturer affirming my preconceived biases and expectations?!??!! How could this be happening to me?!?! ARRRRGGGHHHH IM GOING FUCKING INSANE!!!!
>>18242714How?
You should have gathered up your clammy fat rolls back under your stretched-out dragonball z t-shirt in indignation and lurched to your feet with the vigor of a 19 year old of half your weight and said "LE EXCUSE ME, CAN YOU LE CITE SOURCES THAT HITLER DID ANYTHING WRONG???" and totally owned him with facts and logic, and then waddled home to demolish another family pack of frosted pop tarts
>>18242773>>18242723>>18242714This isnt about Hitler morons.He said Germany wanted to annex the areas ceded in Brest-Litovsk to create an empire. It's bullshit.Also bullshit to use Brest-Litovsk (with that understanding) as a framework for German ambitions if they had also won on the western front.
And no, I didnt interrupt him. If that's what he wants me to recite then i'll do it.But in my mind I was thinking that none of it is true. Brest-Litovsk wasnt annexation, and Imperial Germanys ambitions wasnt to annex shit left-right-and center if they had won.
>>18242786>>18242789>Germany annexing land is... le bad!>Britain and France owning half the world? Zzzz
>>18242786Didn't mention Hitler at all but carry on screeching because you aren't being told what you want to hear.
>>18242789Of course you won't, because you're a spineless little cunt who won't do shit except seethe and mald online about it. What a pathetic waste of life you are.
>>18242887I don't know how many times we have to explain this to you 1488iggers, but annexing third world shitholes and using them as resource extraction operations is not the same thing as annexing fucking France.
>>18242714No he isn’t, that’s very obviously parroted wartime propaganda. It’s ludicrous on its face.>muh evil king!>muh germans had an evil king!Always reminds me how low the average human IQ is when we have adults who believe in these fairytales.
>>18242906Imagine getting this mad that someone doesn’t believe in your wartime fairytales, yikes
>>18242789Yeah your professor lazily copypasted from wikipedia, basically. Wikipedia in turn is based on Allied wartime propaganda, which is how you get ludicrous and silly claims that WWI Germany wanted le extermination (for no logical reason or even a gain whatsoever of course).
>>18242901You mentioned hitler right here >>18242773 in your other seethepost
>>18242979France has been a shithole for centuries
>>18242988Says the guy who started a whole thread to cry that his headcanon isn't being validated.
>>18242990More than one person thinks you're a fucking moron anon.
>>18242691Lmao, what a clown professor. Everyone knows Brest-Litovsk was just Germany being a good neighbor and setting up cool little independent states like Ukraine. Self-determination and democracy for everyone, not nazism and hate speech. And linking it to Hitler? Cringe. Totally different time, totally different people. Your professor is just a woke Allied propagandist who still believes in war guilt or smthing.
>>18242714Sonderwegstheorie has been thoroughly debunked for decades. The German Empire was not clean, far from it, but to call it the Proto-Nazi state is quite ludicrous, especially when you consider that none of the relevant Nazi party officials held no important positions during the German Empire period.
>>18242691>>18242786Lebanstraum wasn't an idea that came out of nowhere, plans for German rule and colonisation of the east did exist during WW1, though in a more limited form to that which was later planned by hitler. The plans for settlement were focused around the Baltic states, which were intented to become an extension of, if not a core part, of Germany (there were a number of different plans demanding various degrees of settlement, and we'll never know which one would've actually been carried out). Meanwhile the rest of eastern Europe were alloted German kings, and intended to be "civilised" under Germany's aegis effectively they would be de facto protectorates, not all that difference than the princely states in British India, even if their legal status was that of something else. Actual native attempts to create governments in these regions (such as in Ukraine) were overthrown by the Germans. Look here for a brief overview about Baltic colonisation >https://www.copernico.eu/en/articles/road-new-eastern-lands-plans-german-colonization-baltic-states-during-first-world-warMaybe you should listen to your lecturer instead of arrogantly presuming you know more about them in a topic that you've never actually read about. Yeah he could've explained it in more detail, but presumably this is an introductory lecture for undergrads lasting an hour or two. He was never going to have time to go into too much detail. Maybe write an email or go talk to him if you're curious about something they mention in passing.
>>18242691There was probably at least some long term idea to settle Germans into conquered territories, but the Second Reich didn't have a particularly coherent ideology. Their war was largely a reaction to being encircled by a hostile France and Russia
>>18242691>Lecturer talks aboutindeed. random interest in history after hearing some schizo shit on a joe rogan. start looking at egypt, and damn those guys were sharp at the start. hydraulics. they got screwed when some monsoon system migrated south, all their water powered shit stopped working. coasted downhill for 1000 years after that. anyway, everything i've looked at in history has some bullshit "explaining" narrative that collapses when you look at the details. it does not follow
How is this shit even complicated. Didn't Germany essentially want to reignite the Holy Roman Empire during the world wars? Or was that just Hitler?
>>18243088thanks for the effort post.However I'm still not convinced. There are multiple sources that tells me that Brest-Litovsk was never about creating a "greater Germany", but more about balkanizing Russia into smaller states. They literally created Poland in 1917 out of the occupied parts of Russia. A major reason Imperial Germany did this was so they could later dump their Polish minority population into this Polish eastern state, thus turning Germany into a truly nationalist German state.It can be argued that Imperial Germany wanted politicial influence over the new areas of would-be states from Brest-Litovsk, but to say Germany was going to outright annex it?The German ambition in ww1 was to create Mitteleuropa, a sort of proto-EU with a dominant central German state running the show, close to what the Soviets did in Eastern Europe post-1945, rather than what Hitler wanted to do.
>>18243049tzd
>>18243293You're absolutely right, but I think you either misunderstood part of my point or I wasn't clear enough. Sure your lecturer could have gone into the specifics of how Germany planned to dominate the east, but that would've taken time. You describe this lecture as about WW1 in general, this is a massive subject and there wouldn't have been much time to spare. Saying Germany wanted to annex and colonise the east is definitely wrong in the strict sense, but it does quickly albeit loosely convey the spirit of their goals. And while comparisons with (and influence on) Hitler should have been explained further, they're not outright wrong. While this is lacking details it certainly isn't an outright lie. You implied this was your first lecture on the subject, so I imagine it was only introductory, I dunno how the curriculum works where you are, but I'd hazard if you go on to focus on WW1 you'll get a full lecture about this going better into the details. Otherwise definitely do ask your lecturer about it, unless they're a complete dick they'll at the very least give some reading recommendations Essentially I just mean you shouldn't dismiss and give up on your course over this one quick and imperfect explanation. >was never about creating a "greater Germany", but more about balkanizing Russia These aren't contradictory goals, you might even argue they're one and the same (though I agree greater Germany would definitely be the wrong term)>It can be argued that Imperial Germany wanted politicial influenceSaying it can be argued is far too weak a qualifier, they absolutely did. I think your comparison to the Soviet dominance of post war eastern Europe, which also included some colonisation, is a perfect one.
>>18242691KEEEEEEEEEEEEEKThis nigga PAYS to go to uni and has never heard about drang nach osten, something which I learned about FOR FREE by casually browsing Wikipedia
>>18243472>This nigga PAYS to go to uniNo i dont retard. Uni is free. Im from a Nordic country, not your shithole.>>18243422I think you hit the nail on the head because yes this was an introduction, hence I rushed to shitpost on 4chan after the first lesson. Maybe you're right after all.
>>18243529Some quality education you are receiving if they don't even teach you such fundamental concepts.
>>18243532You assume a lot.First you assume that I pay for uni.Then you assume we didnt have courses on earlier history.The focus isnt even about Germany or even ww1. The focus is the democratization process and the founding of modern nation states in Europe. ww1 was just included because it's necessary to understand it in order to understand the overall process. My actual study is diplomacy but it requires a 1,5 year course in history.But I feel like I've dedicated enough time explaining things to you.
>>18242691You're in uni pussy, just voice a dissident opinion if you disagree. Let's see if you can back up your position
>>18243543Then I don't see why you are complaining.Your professor is right, Germany DID have plans to annex Eastern Europe into the Reich and the Nazis' lebensraum concept was directly influenced by drang nach osten.You should be grateful that you are receiving good education for free.
holy shit what a fucking faggotyou don't belong in any university anywhere
>OP gets BTFO>abandons threadLmao
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