>>18243004
America had plenty of revolts (shays rebellion, whiskey rebellion) and even had a ducking civil war. What the fuck are you even talking about? Not every collapse results in Russian Revolution type retardation.

>>18243004
>muh 250 years
Fyi that number comes from the book “The Fate of Empires” by John Glubb and it’s a number he pulled out of his ass. There is no set date for when empires collapse, it’s not even an average date for when they collapse. The German Empire lasted 47 years, the Ottoman Empire lasted 623 years, the Aksumite Empire lasted 1110 years, etc.

Glubbs constantly flips back and forth on whether the “collapse” of an empire means the end of that country’s status as a great power or the complete end of that entire civilization. It has odd definitions for what an empire even is since it groups all Hellenistic-era polities from Alexander’s empire to the Seleucid rump state in Syria as part of a single contiguous “Greek empire”. It also has nonsensical dates for when an empire collapsed since it claims the Spanish Empire ended in the 1700s (which anyone with a brain knows is nonsense, the Spanish hadn’t even lost their colonies in the Americas at this point).

Also, Glubbs wrote that book from the perspective of someone who didn’t want empires to collapse

>>18243028
Also, that number ignores the following about the US.

The USA's "Empire" is just a term used to describe its formal network of alliances and the fact that its enormous (domestic!) economy is able to extert significant, but not absolute, influence over other states.

The USA does not rule over occupied provinces with Praefects and any kind of formal integration, Puerto Rico and Guam are basically the only things akin to that in the United States.

The USA possesses an enormous core heartland, exactly like how France by itself was enough to be the kingpin of Europe for centuries because France by itself was already the largest and most populated state in Europe aside from Russia.

An Empire like Britain or Spain's collapsed when their far flung colonies, populated by subjugated foreigners, seceded from them. The USA has no such colonial equivalent, fucking nobody in Minnesota is calling for independence.

Also, the US wasn’t an empire immediately after it was founded. It only became a great power after the Spanish-American war and only became a superpower after WW2. Even if empires “only last 250 years”, then we still have 126 years left.

Even if the US “collapsed” tomorrow, it wouldn’t be like the fall of the USSR (the American identity is too strong, regional nationalism is non-existent) nor would it be like the fall of the Roman Empire (which fell due to foreign invasions, and it’s impossible to conquer the US). Instead, it would be like the various warlord eras of Chinese history where it’s just a bunch of warlords all fighting to reunite America under them, meaning that eventually we’d reunify.

>>18243019
> What the fuck are you even talking about?
The political system. It's the same elections nonsense 250 years straight. OFC there were rebellions and civil war(s?) but it's kinda just still the same very thing.

>>18243031
>the American identity is too strong, regional nationalism is non-existent
Debatable. A Californian is very distinct compared to say someone from Tennessee.

>>18243033
Do the addition of Amendments throughout all these years not count as it changing and adapting?

>>18243028
> that number comes from the book “The Fate of Empires” by John Glubb
Huh, I'd never heard about it being some kind of magical number. I chose that number because the USA is around 250 years old (it was founded in 1776?).

It seems like the only country that has remained unchanged since that time... Well, maybe Japan and the UK also count? Their monarchies are a thousand years old.

But I feel like at least the ruling parties there have changed over time. In America, it has always been the Democrats and Republicans from the very beginning.

>>18243045
>But I feel like at least the ruling parties there have changed over time. In America, it has always been the Democrats and Republicans from the very beginning.
anon, i....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_Party

>>18243045
>it has always been the Democrats and Republicans from the very beginning
But it hasn't though, the current Republican and Democratic parties both have their origins in the civil war and both parties have changed over 100 years period since then, countries aren't a monolith that exist until they just spontaneously combust and disappear into the ether and they change all the time because the people who live there change all the time.

>>18243004
Inherited the idea of having elections from England. That's why under Trump we can have pretty constant breaches of the constitution and rule of law and we still have elections that actually are somewhat respect, notice how half assed his alleged "coup" in Jan 6th was, it was glaringly obvious that absolutely none of the rioters had any idea of what to even do once they got in, and their goal was to try and convince congress, which they seem to have considered validly elected, to vote differently on things.

>>18243028
The Seleucid Empire lasted 249 years. Not exactly proof of the 250 Rule, but it's something I noticed a few days ago.

>>18243031
>regional nationalism is non-existent) nor would it be like the fall of the Roman Empire (which fell due to foreign invasions, and it’s impossible to conquer the US). Instead, it would be like the various warlord eras of Chinese history where it’s just a bunch of warlords all fighting to reunite America under them, meaning that eventually we’d reunify.
That's optimistic lmao. I don't think there's a pan-American identity like you claim. You're too individualistic, too heterogenous for that to happen. You are right about the warlordism, but it wouldn't pretty. In fact, warlordism may sound too organised.

I'm not claiming prescience, but I predict America will simply sink into ineptitude where no one fears it and it can't project anything anymore other than its tradmark cuck porn and jew worship. Already nations are becoming slowly anti-US. Poetically, the USA will become like Britain: no longer a world power but still relevant somehow.

>>18243083
>notice how half assed his alleged "coup" in Jan 6th was, it was glaringly obvious that absolutely none of the rioters had any idea of what to even do once they got in
It's certainly true that the rioters drew a blank about what was actually the plan, but there was a plan from Trump and various conspirators to slot in fake electors to certify that Biden hadn't won, which would leave Mike Pence as speaker of the House to then contest the election. The mob there was likely just intended to be overtly threatening without actually interfering, of course the "plan" was ludicrous and the rioters were useful idiots without the useful parts who were whipped into a frenzy and took the chance to storm in when offered it.

>>18243101
Yeah, but my point was they wanted to do a coup, but in a weirdly legal way.

>>18243073
>founded by Alexander Hamilton
He also supported American monarchy

>>18243105
Again that has to due with the context that Trump and co. had drummed the beat of an false election because they were ultimately still trying to play on the legitimate election process, so the rioters bought into it and tried to forcefully align the narrative they were sold with reality, also they clearly wanted to liquidate several people in congress, famously shouting things like "Hang Mike Pence", maybe some of it was more rhetoric than action but it was certainly not wholly legal in their attempt.

>>18243101
>>18243105
>>18243119
Remember the January Six Million.

>>18243037
There's no serious nationalistic movement though. Regional identities exist, but these regions have no history of autonomy beyond what they enjoy as US states.

Rome lasted 2700 years. America has awhile to go.

>>18243100
>I don't think there's a pan-American identity like you claim.
Well you'd be wrong. America has no common unifying religion, race, or anything except allegiance to American ideology. That's one reason why patriotism is so forced here, because without concerted effort to drum up support for the Union there's nothing else holding people together.

>Already nations are becoming slowly anti-US.
You must be from an alternate reality, because the world we live in just saw the US-led coalition of NATO add two formerly neutral states to its roster. None of the existing US allies have broken treaties. It's literally the same anti-US coalition that's existed for a while trying to peel away allies and having absolutely no luck at all, because nobody wants to live in a world dominated by Russia or China, who nobody trusts to act with nearly the same fairness the US does.

>>18243083
>none of the rioters had any idea of what to even do once they got in
I think the problem for them was a lack of leadership to help assist them, which is where the goal of the whole "stop the steal" leaders and the rioters weren't in tandem, They wanted the rioters to be threatening and nothing more, if for example Trump had gone into congress after they breached, said he was now the legitimate president and dared anyone stop them, they likely would have thought the action as legitimate, they would have been gunned down in like 3 hours afterwards but that besides the point.

>>18243101
well, they did publicly admit to stealing the election, just that it was a good and noble thing actually.
https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/
but this isn't /his/ yet, give it another twenty years. hopefully by then american rioters will grow some stones too.

>>18243189
Dovahhatty my favorite latinx tuber

>>18243004
>>18243019
The wars are what kept us unified and stopped us from collapsing. Since we haven't had a real war since WW2 or maybe Vietnam and the Cold War is over (no, afghanistan and iraq doesnt count) our nation has become stagnant and decadent. Now the collapse is inevitable. This is why kikes want to pull us into another major war to unify America again.

>>18243255
Wars serve two purposes:
- Unify the nation
- Make them forget about kikes

>>18243004
>That autistic constitution is still somehow in place.
Not really desu.

>>18243125
>There's no serious nationalistic movement though
Yes. That is the point of the UNITED States. It wouldn't be much unity if each state had an individualistic identity.

>>18243039
The 14th amendment was effectively a brand new constitution. The civil rights act could be seen as another arm of that new constitution.

>>18243101
There is no way to contest an election without bringing in your own electors, something which Democrats are well aware of and have toyed around with in their past political war games.

>>18243135
>fairness the US does.
Very fair in all its occupation and wars.

America spreads by military and economic power by Wall Street jews. Your entire country is an Israeli satellite; a tool. You're a tool within a tool. You have no justification to exist. If you don't realise it now, you will in a hypothetical collapse when people realise they don't want to be around each other anymore. Just imagine all the hispanics and blacks tearing through the anarchist continent. What a delight.

>>18243004
the US has only existed for less than a quarter amount of time than most empires and it's already in decline. nobody respects its message. they don't make anything that the world knows them by anymore, and even it's closest allies like taiwan have realized that their security guarantees are meaningless.
they blame kissinger "the libs" (right wing market liberals) and deregulation but there's nothing to blame. they serve an important purpose for the world as a reminder of what a nation is not.

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>>18243405
Two more weeks

>>18243004
From only landed white men to Jacksonian Democracy into the Civil War into FDR through to the Reagan Revolution and now whatever the fuck is happening right now. American democracy has been far from static.

>>18243004
>How the fuck has the USA regime not collapsed in 250 years???

Because for nearly all of that time it was more than 90% white with laws on the books to make sure only whites were ever going to be in charge of anything.

Its all falling to hell now because in the 60s they let in the dark tide and allowed those demons to have a say in the governance

Funny how the US laughs at China for being conquered by the Manchus and having to wear a funny haircut. Meanwhile America has been conquered by the Jews and they have been forced to cut their penis tips off. Think I would prefer the funny haircut honestly.

>>18243028
As a WWI/WWII soldier, is it possible Glubb wrote the book as cope for the fall of the British empire? "Ugh, it is merely our preordained time..."

>>18243549
They think it's a completely normal practice too. Like genital mutilation is something everyone does. Their women genuinely don't know what a foreskin is if they see one.

>>18243031
Discounting regional nationalism in the USA is absurd, a regional/nationalist flag is the second most common flag in the country, Texas asks for independence like every year, and many regions (like the west count) desire independence even if they lack the means and ideological framework to mobilize such a thing.

If the USA implodes, they're never getting the south back because the south hates them. They're likely not getting the west or southwest back. They wouldn't get Hawaii back. America in a post-imperial form would most likely just be new england and possible the midwest, places with no real regional independence

>>18243031
This was true before (((certain people))) flooded it with racial aliens who are not and never will be Americans or consider themselves as such. White Americans from California, Tennessee, and Minnesota bear the same nationality but are foreign to a negro or latino from their own home state. For religious reasons they might deny this but the revealed preference is absolute.

>>18243031
>the American identity is too strong, regional nationalism is non-existent
People in the US have always been divided on either economic class, or ethnicity. Nowadays purely by ethnicity. It used to be that once you made a lot of money in the US, you would "live with the whites" but it's changed now and various ethnic and racial groups prop up their own suburbs to perpetuate their own culture. Iranians in the US exist in all economic classes and they only hang around each other. Hispanics to a live around themselves, once they get rich they move to either a white neighborhood or a rich hispanic neighborhood. Blacks have rich enclaves where it's just them now. Asians basically have entire cities in the Bay Area where it's only them.
The small population of whites abiding by cultist groups like Baptism or Mormonism are the only populations that identify by this "American identity" nonsense that can't even define itself. The other ethnic groups don't, they'll just leave once capitalism demise comes knocking.

>>18243427
And yet it's the white male-led government that has brought it to the brink.

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>>18243004
The WESTERNER Roman Empire collapse took 400 years

The Eastern 1000 years

>>18243940
This. The fuck is this 250 years shit? What is the benchmark? It's none of the notable empires you could care to name.

>>18243566
>Texas asks for independence like every year
They're not serious about it, and I know you're not Texan or likely even American if you think they're serious about it. Texas is home to more American flag-waving patriots than almost any other state. They are proud of being Texan, and expect other people to respect their state, but they're proud to be American, too. Their "independence" talk is just them strutting around, reminding everyone that Texas used to be its own republic and is big and tough enough to go it alone. Think of it like a middle aged man who puts on his old leather jacket and tries to act like he's still a 20 year old bad ass.

>>18243549
Circumcision is dying out as a practice in America, though it's still far too common for my taste. Weirdly, it's most popular in Ohio of all states, and on the east coast more generally. The further west you go, the less practiced it is, California excepted. My state claims the circumcision rate for baby boys is down to under 25% now. The local AMA chapter kvetches about this quite a lot.

>>18243989
As one of my pet issues that I discuss on every social media platform, I absolutely feel like I'm (we're) winning this one thing. And it's satisfying. Genital mutilation is going away. Maybe everything else is getting shittier but not this.

>>18243004
What about Britain then? It's older. The empire might be gone, but it's still the same parliamentary system.

>>18243031
Even with illegal immigration and the dems shipping in 3rd worlders American identity is still pretty cohesive.

It remains to be seen if Ilhan/Somalia-type invasions will be successful in the long run, or if the pushback negates what they've done in Minnesota or neutralizes it.

For now they've got US government representation and are getting away with an absolute shitload of money laundering and plain old theft, but I don't see them expanding on this. If they get more congressional representation and keep saying out loud, in public that they're loyal to Somolia, then it could be successful.

The one thing I find funny is how/if these sub-saharans will enjoy living long term in an environment not suited to their physiology.

>>18244025
Going away in America, still going strong in Asia and Africa thanks to Islam.

>>18244025
Ironically, it's dying in America, but growing in Europe, because of all the Muslim immigrants. Europe will have a higher circumcision rate than America in our lifetime.

>>18244055
>Nah, it would go the way of Yugoslavia, dissolving into a continent-spanning multi-faction sectarian race war
You have no clue how American politics works. Yugoslavia was a stitched-together nation composed of ethnic populations that had at one time been independent ethnostates. Yugoslavia was an attempt to unify independent peoples of disparate culture and language. There is no such background in the USA. The original 13 colonies were all Christian, English-speaking subjects of the British Crown who abandoned loyalty to the king for collective sovereignty.

If the US states were ever ethnostates, it was an ethnicity they shared. Any attempt to carve up the country into disparate ethnic enclaves would be an attempt to create new polities where none existed before, not to return to older ones.

Which is exactly why it would never happen. If the US government ever failed and the union dissolved, the result would be a very short war followed by a new Congress, new Constitution, and a new United States being born, which would be mostly the same as the old one, but probably with updates to the Bill of Rights removing the Right to Bear Arms.

>>18243004
The United States of America only became a proper 'empire' (more like a hegemony) after WWII (unless you count American territories), which means it needs 175 years to collapse under Glubbs' prediction.

>>18243004
>that autistic constitution is still somehow in place
the amendments instituted after the civil war did centralize the government quite significantly

>>18244049
>>18244052

I believe Islam is incompatible with 1st world, western values. They mutilate genitals because they're barbarous and savage, and civilized peoples will continue to reduce it.

Islam is invading different parts of the world, but I don't believe it will every fully subjugate westerners. I also don't think Islam is spreading to westernized peoples. They're outbreeding us, and invading geographical areas, but it just means civilized peoples will be forced to relocate or fight.

Is the world going to be subjugated by Islam? Seems completely absurd, but it's happened before on a localized scale. I think westernized, liberal peoples will fight and die first. And there are a lot of us. Catholicism/Protestants would put aside their bickering to fight Islam.

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>>18243045
>I chose that number because the USA is around 250 years old (it was founded in 1776?)
It didn't have its constitution until 1787 and was under a very different form of government for the first 11 years with a much weaker central government that didn't really have the power to do anything, and there was no president. Also didn't get the bill of rights until 1791, which is such a central document to America's ideological foundation. Well it has been anyway.

>>18243083
weren't there some people who came in with zip ties and were hoping to take congressmen hostage? That still doesn't mean they had any idea how to actually overthrow the government and replace it with one they wanted, but if they had been able to get into the legislative chambers before they were evacuated I think things would have been a lot worse. It would not have just been annoying retards shouting at senators and taking selfies.

>>18243427
America was never more than 90% white, not even once in its history

>>18243427
> only whites were ever going to be in charge
> it was more than 90% white with laws on the books
That can't be it. Other white countries weren't saved by that.

>>18243004
The entire 250 year idea doesn't really apply to the USA. It's mostly isolated from invading armies, and has things like the CIA destablizing other governments that could replace it.
No historical theory really applies to the post-WW2 USA.

>>18243549
>>18243560
Gotta love people who kvetch about circumcision as if it is on the American mindset or even matters

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>>18243004
The fundamental structure of the US government is pretty much how every single first world country today operates (3 divisions of power), although the Constitution has flaws like FPTP voting or vague articles leaving things up to court interpretation (i.e bullshit rulings from the bench) it's still a remarkably stable and functional system for the most part.

>>18243004
The Civil War was the last opportunity for radical change. The Federalist status quo was forever put in place and any changes were reform-driven and mostly bloodless.

In the modern era, most first world nations aren't ready for true revolution since life has become too convenient. Only third world shitholes where their populations have nothing to lose have revolutions.

>>18243031
Haiti would be closer, for the reasons you describe.

There are no regional identities, but the central national identity has also been significantly and there isn't a hill to be king of in America like there is with China where when you seize the central plains you win and the rest of the country is only a matter of time.

Rather than warring states it would just devolve into gang rule by 100s if not 1000s of gangs/militias/etc.

>>18244086
Even among the larpiest of larpers, you would hardly find a handful of people who earnestly want Spanish Florida, French Louisiana, or the Californian Republic back.

State secessionism in the modern day is a meme and any civil war scenario would not be among state lines. State identity is strong, but not that strong.

>>18243004
Let's see how it goes after this failed invasion of Venezuela

>>18244315
NTA In a hypothetical civil war scenario, there are a lot of spics living in New Mexico, Arizona, and Florida who would absolutely love to secede and join Mexico and what not.

Your mistake is looking at present day attitudes and then assuming they'd be the same in a civil war. If we actually got to the point of civil war we can assume that regionalism would be stronger than now, that race politics would be more intense than they are now, etc.

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>>18244059

Honestly I think the Fallout video games are the most accurate as to what a "post-American" America is going to look like. Where the United States as it existed from 1776-whatever year the collapse takes place is romanticized and fetishized as a utopia by those living in its former territory, but at the same time, they aren't really able to just reconstitute it. Take the Enclave for instance, they toot their horn nonstop about how they're the legitimate government of the United States and how they're going to restore it to its former glory, but you barely scratch past the surface and you see how they're ideologically, functionally, and spiritually closer to Nazi Germany than the United States at any point in its history. And it seems to be genuinely held belief too, rather than just pure opportunism. They are simply unable to grasp that their totalitarian worldview is completely incompatible with the Republican Enlightenment principles that the United States was actually founded on.

>>18244055
Equating the USA fo Yugoslavia is peak midwit, they share nothing in common. There is no equivalent to Serbia within the United States, there are no long existing centuries old ethnic identities within the country, nobody is dying for the independence of Nebraska like Croats were willing to die for Croatia etc. Americans move across states all the time, virtually nobody in the modern US is tied to one State only.

>>18244745
>there are no long existing centuries old ethnic identities within the country
Yes there is. The founding stock has been in America for 400 years.

>>18244754
Yeah right, and what's their Ethnostate then? A single county up in Maine? The point is that there is no clearly identifiable contiguous territory within the US that would even come close to being equivalent to Serbia and Croatia (regions whose borders and clear tribal division literally stretch back centuries).
You're also a lunatic if you think WASPs are all keeping track of our (yeah I'm one) bloodlines like some Harry Potter shit. It's not the 1840s, some prep school guy at Harvard is probably gonna date and fuck a Chinese girl (maybe Xi's daughter, she went to Harvard lmao) or some Irish Catholic gall etc. Virtually not a single white multigenerational American is actually going to be purely descended from one ethnicity. I myself have a Scottish surname from my dad's side but my mother's family name is German and her mother's family name was Polish, so you quickly see how any talk of tribal ethnic identities here dissolve fast.

>>18244785
>what's their Ethnostate then? A single county up in Maine? The point is that there is no clearly identifiable contiguous territory within the US that would even come close to being equivalent to Serbia and Croatia
Appalachia.

>>18243255
Every US involvement in war past the civil war was motivated by political or economic advancement of US interests, usually both. The cost of war is a skewed concept both for the country and its people since neither have actually felt the hands on consequences of any war since. Only their soldiers do and they showed in Vietnam how much they cared about their input.
The truth is the US is addicted to war, it profits both politically and economically, so it is in their interest to start and maintain them. It creates jobs and contracts for the war machine that has become too big to fail and it destabilizes anyone that would threaten its geopolitical position. The native population doesn't feel the consequence of this warmongering so they're happy to ignore it. War weariness is a gauge of consequences for the populous, not any moral standing. Look at how violently and irrationally the US reacts to even the mildest terrorist attacks, it's emblematic of how divorced they are from what they do to the rest of the world.

>>18243031
>The USA does not rule over occupied provinces with Praefects and any kind of formal integration

LMFAOOOOO

>>18243004
Every high IQ, high T european left their gay shithole for the new land. Of course it was going to become an unstoppable superpower. Well, the demonrats tried to bring it down, but fortunately Trump stopped that.

>>18244890
>Every US involvement in war past the civil war was motivated by political or economic advancement of US interests
This is the coldest take I have ever seen in my life. Yes, obviously nations fight wars to advance their interests, which are usually political or economic, fucking retard.

>>18244970
>but fortunately Trump stopped that.
FYI pretty much the whole world is currently laughing at memes about the American Century of Humiliation and the inevitability of China lapping you

>>18244863
Not even that, brosky. Many Appalachians in PA and WV have ancestry from places like Croatia, Slovakia, Poland, etc. as migrants miners went to those areas as well.

>>18245557
>>18244785
>identities cant exist without ethnostates
jewish identity existed literally without any state for twenty centuries.

America's founding stock does have a distinct ethnic identity.
But I agree with Richard Spencer's take, America still needs some great cataclysm to truly form its identity as right now its just various lite versions of the European progenitor states.

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>>18243019
>ducking

>>18245557
Miners are a different breed though

>>18245572
Jewish identity being a singular thing is a modern psyop if anything, you gotta be on crack to think Lithuanian Jews and Yemenite Jews are "one people" when they basically only share as much in common with each other as the average German does with a Portuguese

>>18243045
Britain has had like 4 dynastic changes, and the monarch has had limited powers since the Magna Carta.

Japan had a dynastic change in the Nanboku-cho period. They handwave it away but it’s clearly recorded in their own histories. Also the only emperors to take anything close to direct control were Gotango and Meiji.

Both have “1000 years” of relatively stable monarchic succession precisely because the monarch in both is largely a figure head, as compared to continental monarchies like France or even to China. In reality the actual power structure in both countries has shifted countless times in the last thousand years. The Kamakura Shogunate, Muromachi Shogunate and Edo Shogunate are hardly the same political entity. Less so the Meiji-Early Showa era government and the US proxy government.

America is a fucking baby country. Been around for a negligible period of time and had exactly one (1) civil war that was essentially a slapfight when you compare it to real civil wars. I doubt America will stand the test of time, it’s only just about to experience its first real crisis with its unit of currency becoming worthless and that will probably the fracture the nation into warring states and localised race wars.

>>18243004
America did have revolutions but they were severely crushed, co-opted, and then the history surrounding the entire thing was retconned to fit the state's narrative.

>>18244301
>The fundamental structure of the US government is pretty much how every single first world country today operates (3 divisions of power)
Very few first world countries separate the legislative and executive power like America does, or have such powerful judges that can declare legislative acts void for violating the constitution. Most 1st world countries are like the UK where parliament has all the power and can pass any legislation it wants with a simple majority. Additionally, in most countries the written constitution is an aspirational document laying out the nation's ideals, rather than a legally binding one.

>>18245755
>had exactly one (1) civil war that was essentially a slapfight when you compare it to real civil wars
700,000 people died over the course of 4 years and the south was utterly devastated

>>18244267
>as if it is on the American mindset or even matters
It is "on the American mindset," thats why its practiced. Also it matters because mutilating newborns is evil.

>>18245941
>175k people per year

Cute

>>18244267
It matters a lot. This is an entire country that has snipped off the foreskin of their children for so long that WASPs have hereditary phimosis. Quit sharting your diaper in walmart and pay attention.

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>>18244025
Genital mutilation is not going away. It's just that there is a huge influx of immigration. It's widely practiced by WASPs and all other white identifying protties in the US. The only cure for circumcision is unironically white females and black females marrying and having kids with hispanics. White men always opt for circumcision of their children.

>>18246150
I'm 95% sure that 4chan's anti-circumcision stance stems solely from it being viewed as a "Jew" thing and that if we lived in a timeline where ancient Germanics practiced it then they'd all be jerking off to how its supposedly Based and Trad and about self discipline or some bullshit of that sort

>>18245706
>'x' group identity needs to atomistically include literally everyone who self identifies as 'x' group

You are a fucking retard and a liberal and we know youre a liberal because youre retarded.

>>18243135
The problem is that recently American alliances haven't really been tested so far.
And to be fair I'm skeptical of America's commitment when Russia does something funni in Estonia or the Chinese start some shit in the First Island Chain.
Judging by the current administration, America might as well do nothing and then the whole web that leverages American power will unravel, as everyone will look up for their own defense.

>>18246655
Yeah no shit people don't want a nuclear war over the fucking Baltics. That's why NATO expansion was so pointless to begin with.

>>18246661

Pointless or not. It's now part of American alliance structure. And what America does when they are invaded will decide the future of everything.
If America ignores its treaty-bound obligation to an ally, the whole alliance structure that maintains global American hegemony will unravel. Because America will no longer be seen as trustworthy.
The most possible outcome is emergence of two new power blocks as the countries will band together for mutual defense, one in East Asia and one in Europe at the cost of American economic and strategic interests.

>>18246670
>at the cost of American economic and strategic interests
Isolationism is pro-American, it's just not pro-"American". You should understand.

>>18246675

It's not, but people are simple to thick to realize. America's security and prosperity depend on maintaining soft control over Europe and East Asia. Which it did for all the post-ww2 decades via its alliance structure.

There's a reason why America abandoned isolationism post-ww2. It turned out that if any hostile powers captures either coast of Eurasia, then America is no longer safe. That's how you got Pearl Harbor and German u-boats praying on shipping in New York.

>>18246684
>hostile powers
Just don't be hostile. America encouraged Japanese imperialism in Asia before FDR.

>>18246698
> Just don't be hostile.

Retarded take.
American and Japanese interests clashed in South China Sea and in Philippines. The conflict was inevitable unless you literally want America to back down whenever someone else wants a slice of what America already has.
But then you don't have a power but a laughing stock and sooner or later someone would try their luck with continental America.

>>18246684
Why we spend money on cucked leeches like Israel, Taiwan, Ukraine? Let them be BTFO, we got two big oceans anyway. Let based Putin have that old stuff in Europe, it's all trooned anyway. China can have the factories back, we can just make everything at home anyway. More money for americans, less money for Jews.

>>18246707
>if you insist on controlling a piece in SEAmonkeyland then you're not a global hegemon
Okay then I don't want to be a global hegemon

>>18246711
>we got two big oceans anyway

Already WW2 showed that oceans don't mean shit. This is why American strategy shifted from isolationism to controlling coastal Eurasia.

>>18246727
The moment escort carriers were introduced and air cover was established the Battle of the Atlantic was effectively over. German U-boat deployment sharply declined from 1943 onwards because they understood they were soundly defeated by then. If anything wasn't safe in the ocean anymore, it was the U-boats, and Donitz acknowledged that. You just bought into pop-history narrative about the "U-boat peril".

>>18246754

And they knew that if any power controls the entire Western or Eastern coastland of Eurasia (which neither Nazi Germany nor Imperial Japan did), it can deploy carrier fleets itself.

There's a specific reason why people way wiser than everyone on this retarded board decided to throw massive resources into building American-led alliances in Europe and East Asia. People now want to dismantle these alliances because they take the American security and prosperity that arose from these alliances for granted.

>>18246774
American eclipsed Britain industrial capacity by the turn of the century and was already the most attractive place for immigration(which America did not actually need, rather immigrants needed America) many decades before WW2.

>>18246779

And now you have America outpaced by China in industrial capacity.
But sure, let's cut off all these East Asian "leeches" and let the Chinese do what they want there. I'm pretty sure it won't lead to China building up a massive fleet to put a boot on America's neck.

>>18246786
>And now you have America outpaced by China in industrial capacity.
China's industrial capacity is outsourced western industries. Of course to reverse that you would also need to gut the professional-managerial class, and since your real agenda is to keep that class alive and well while still enjoying security you would vehemently oppose it and call any American who wants to make a dignified living while working in a factory a loser who needs to learn to code.

>>18246802
>China's industrial capacity is outsourced western industries.

But it's located there and under Chinese control. They WILL turn this capacity against the Western world.

> your real agenda is to keep that class alive

BS. My goal is to maintain and perpetuate the power and dominance of the Western civilization against its enemies, both internal and external.

>>18246810
>My goal is to maintain and perpetuate the power and dominance of the Western civilization against its enemies, both internal and external.
Yeah, and for you reverting from an 80% white-collar/service economy into a manufacturing or even a balanced economy would be deemed as an "enemy to western civilization"

>>18246814
How's idea that America should maintain its current alliances because otherwise its power will unravel opposed to reshoring industry back from geopolitical enemies like China? I mean to reshore and not suffer any political blowback from the Chinese or Russians you actually need the pretense of being at the peak of your power.

Am I missing some brilliant thought?

>>18246065
>low casualties are actually bad
Third world mindset at its finest.

>>18245941
>the south was utterly devastated

The problem is that it wasn't devastated enough to restructure its economy.
It remained a dysfunctional shithole ruled by descendants of the planter class.

>>18246826
Dude, you had low casualties and there is still a fucking ongoing feud between the north and the south. Do people from the state of Wei still feud with people from the state of Qin? Like no that shit doesn’t matter to them but it does to Americans. There’s one catalyst for a disunited America right there.

>>18247548
>there is still a fucking ongoing feud between the north and the south

There really isn't. Lines of tension in the USA are along racial lines, and by party affiliation, to the extent party affiliation isn't just a cipher for racial affiliation.

>>18247548
>there is still a fucking ongoing feud between the north and the south
Gotta love retards spouting nonsense