Was it really necessary for America to drop two atomic bombs on Japan?
>>18243367>two quick bombing with a total death toll of around 30kvs>months, possibly years of slow pacific warfare that would kill millionsWhich one would you prefer?
>>18243367Yes, because it ended the war quickly. Otherwise the Soviets would have invaded Hokkaido, or consolidated power in Korea so North & South Korea would be under the Soviet sphere of influence
>>18243401>>18243421>ignoring the fact that the japs were already looking for a negotiated surrenderwhy even press submit
>>18243367Nukes aren't real. They firebombed cities and dropped Neptunium to raise the civilian death count>>18243401>It ended muh deaths earlyYou know the Nips were still dying from radiation poisoning well into the 1960s right?
>>18243504>japs were already looking for a negotiated surrenderTheir bargaining posture was highly dubious.
>>18243367Have you considered that if we didn't burn the skin off Jap children with nuclear radiation, we would have had to shoot or bomb the children instead? Really, it was the humanitarian solution
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>>18243367Operation downfall would have killed millions (tens of millions?), partitioned it between the US & Soviets and seen millions of indogs enter the country in ‘guest worker’ programs. The bombs were really the best outcomeUnless someone can find me a source that states Japan was already willing to cede Korea & Taiwan prior to the bombings, but I haven’t seen anything like that
Oh my Amaterasu . . thankfurry the American riberators burned my skin and eyelids off. They could have shot burrets in me instead
>>18243421>>18243586Literally the only reason the Soviets were involved in the Pacific front is because America begged them to join at Yalta and Potsdam btw. FDR had already promised the Soviets a sphere of influence in the East
>>18243574This Nip brat should be thanking us he'll get to live a few more days with half his head missing. Think about how much more immoral it would have been if we had simply killed him on the spot!
Always amusing to watch the weebs impotently seethe about Jpon getting btfo by a couple of McNukes.
>>18243647that crypto commie is the source of so many of the world's problems
>>18243654Murdering kids instantly is what Nazis do. America heroes make sure to give kids cancer so they die of natural causes
>>18243367Even under Hasegawa's telling of events, the American decision to drop the nuclear bomb was reasonable even if it wasn't central to Japan's surrender. There's a tendency for the Zinns and Alperovitzs of the world to not understand:>the reason the invasion of Manchuria was relevant was because the Japanese had been secretly trying to convince the USSR to force the US to accept a negotiated surrender, something the US was not privy to>the Americans arguing at the time that nukes were not strategically necessary were more often than not arguing for starving out the entire island and setting it on fire>the US had made very clear to Japan with the Potsdam Declaration that they had one more chance to surrender before something REALLY bad would happen, and the Japanese chose not to respond like at all (it was some weird cultural thing which the US mistook as 'then do it pussy')>the actual operation itself was clearly designed to act as a strategic strike, the objective was not to nail as many civilians as possible>The US was much more laser focused on finishing the war before the USSR entered while also getting an unconditional surrender, this is often construed as "the US just wanted to scare the USSR", but the US had already hammered out what they wanted and got concessions from the USSR during PotsdamThere's a much better case for the Tokyo firebombings being the big mean bad allied war crime than the atomic bombings. I mean the logic for the Tokyo firebombings was legit "well Japs do manufacture things in their homes, so technically burning down civilian districts hurts their industry". But quite frankly, I agree with the US and China's attitude on the topic. Boohoo nigga, you got bombed. You also repeatedly committed as many heinous war crimes as possible and victimized every other group in East Asia, no you aren't going to get a special victim award for getting nuked.
>>18243569By the time the bombs were dropped the Americans had broken most of Japan's codes and fully knew about them trying to use the USSR as a middle man for a negotiated surrender.Instead of trying to play this retarded moral high ground game just admit the Americans didn't give a fuck and wanted to get dominant victory over Japan. It would at least make you look less stupid.
>>18243647FDR is still a massive faggot, I’m only saying Japan got out lucky
>>18243647The US specifically removed a Soviet joint ultimatum from the agenda for Potsdam and denied the Soviets the opportunity to write up their own ultimatum. We begged during Yalta under FDR, but by Potsdam we were fully on board with trying to cut the Soviets out of any intervention.
>Thank you Americans . . this is worth it so my daughters can vote>One day I hope Nippon will have a femare prime minister
>>18243754No, they were still begging the Soviets for help halfway through Potsdam, then changed their mind when Truman realized he could simply nuke the Jap populace instead. This suggests that the American order of ideal scenarios was (1) Kill civilians until Japan's government surrenders(2) Divide up Japan with the USSR(3) Actually conquer Japan through conventional warfare without Soviet collaborationIn other words, the third option was never seriously on the table, as Truman wanted to be reelected and that would require ending the war quickly
>>18243803The US had intentionally kept the Soviets in the dark about the fact that the joint ultimatum was off the agenda while sending it to Chang Kai Shek for review. The plan from the jump was to cut the Soviets out and then say "Aw jeez, I guess it's too late for that joint declaration" when we gave them the text of the proclamation just a few hours before releasing it (without any mention of soviet entry). Then when the Soviets asked for a postponement say they could scrawl up their own proclamation, we said "no, no, that's fine, don't worry, we're good :)" Potsdam was a complete reversal from Yalta, we wanted the Soviets to stay out.
>>18243720>Boohoo nigga, you got bombed. You also repeatedly committed as many heinous war crimes as possible and victimized every other group in East Asia, no you aren't going to get a special victim award for getting nuked.Only in ww2 are civilians grouped with the crimes of their government and thus its "morally" correct to bomb the civiliansFunny how we dont apply this reasoning to other conflicts, such as Gaza war. Hmm...
>>18243367>Is giving kids cancer necessary for the Truman 1948 campaign?Probably. That commie Thomas Dewey would have won otherwise
>>18243819I specifically said "special victim award", the Japanese want the nuclear bombings to be treated like a uniquely horrible thing. Hiroshima getting turned into a UNESCO site, politicians being expected to apologize to the Japanese for it, et cetera. meanwhile the Japanese still engage in downplaying or outright denying things like the rape of nanking. I feel the exact same way about the Gaza War, where both the Israelis and Palestinians expect everyone to elevate events during the war as a uniquely horrible thing when describing things that naturally occur as a result of their own government's actions.
>>18243367Go ask all kinds of people about it and you'll find out very quickly that they sure came in handy.
