>60 years of blockade against Cuba now extended against Venezuela>almost as long "war on drugs" literally begun by Nixon as an excuse to start a civil war in Colombia they ultimately lostHow did this happen? unitedstatean stance on its southern neighbors legitimately feels fossilized.
>>18244523>socialist countries can't prosper unless they're allowed to trade with capitalist countries hmmmm
>>18244523Leftists have no right to complain about being suppressed by the CIAThey call for the destruction of capitalism worldwide and for all who they deem as “reactionary” to be executed, then somehow they’re shocked said capitalists take action instead of rolling over and doing nothing? Every militia funded by the CIA was funded in response to local leftists being violent savages with no respect for law, order, or tradition.Womp womp. They sowed the wind and reap the whirlwind. If they didn’t want the USSR to be sabotaged, then the USSR should have remained completely neutral with no support for any communists outside their own borders.Oh and btw, “capitalist oppression” is a myth no more real than flat earth. Your whole ideology is conspiracy slop.
>>18244523Look how old their leadership is and has been. The same people have effectively been in charge of that country for the past 50 years. They grew up in the same cultural zeitgeist, with similar wealthy backgrounds, and at around the same time. And now they're old, and like all old people they're stubborn and refuse to change, offering no new ideas, just trying to old ones harder.
>>18244523Gusanito seethe.The blockade lets Cuba trade with 140 countries and receive billions in US remittances. Their own regime's failed system keeps them poor. Venezuela collapsed from pure socialist looting, not sanctions. They sell oil freely to allies. War on drugs a global effort. Colombia asked for help to stop narco-terrorists butchering civilians.Maybe stop blaming the US for every failed communist experiment south of the border?
>>18244523>leftist entire ideology is built on violent revolution and war and using militiant attacks on the western, white world>spazz out and complain when the other side hits back and knocks your teeth outUltimate band dork ideology.
>>18244523>60 years of blockade against Cuba now extended against VenezuelaBut I was told the capitalist world is collapsing and commie paradises don't need no trade with it.
>be a powerful state>choose to just let your region fall into rival spheres of orbit out of the goodness of your heartEr, hello?
>>18244676Much depends on what do you have to offer to countries in your region.You can offer them trade, relative security and prosperity, and they tend to gravitate into your sphere without coercion and let you draw them their security policies to leverage your own power. The few outlyers are usually those captured by nightmarish regimes that are despised by their own population and from where people flee en masse.orYou can keep them in poverty and misery and invade them with brute force whenever they try to do anything remotely independent. In such case, your ability to project power is solely based on your ability to put your boot on their neck and they will try to escape your clutches at every possibility, preferably seeking out your geopolitical rivals for protection.
>>18244690>Cuba is only communist because Americas was MEAN to Castro! :(Eternal boomer cope. Castro was Always a communist and was always going to align with the Soviet Union in the Cold War. Theres also two factors here you retards always fail to grasp. If it really is just America bullying little old Cuba for choosing to be communist, then why is Americas biggest trade partner the communist Chinese in a deal that was secured at pretty much the same time as Castro takeover of Cuba? Clearly its not JUST because of their form of government. Also, the embargo on Cuba happened before Castro ever came to power. It was first enacted under the Eisenhower admin to stop sending American weapons to Cuba because its then leader, Batista, was considered a vile dictator. After Castro came to power, the embargo continues and Castro failed to secure weapons shipments from America. During his nationalization process, the cuban government began buying up all the industries in the country from the varous foreign powers like France, Netherlands, England ect. but when it came to American industries, the Cuban military was just sent in and they took it by force as a big fuck you. It was the largest theft of America wealth in history. This is why the embargo continued (not started)
>>18244523>be socialist shithole>ruin own economy through corruption and incompetence>WHY WOULD THE GRINGO DO THIS TO US?
>>18244690America can offer security, aid and trade, but there's always a temptation for local elites to nationalise and close off market access to concentrate their own power. If America objects then they turn to rivals for aid instead. The only way America can prevent any of this from happening is by having its own men in power.
>>18244694>Eternal boomer cope. Castro was Always a communist and was always going to align with the Soviet Union in the Cold War. Theres also two factors here you retards always fail to grasp.Cuba is in the first category, idiot. Despised regime from which people flee left and right because it's not able to provide them with basic living standard and human dignity.Other countries in the region except Cuba and Venezuela gravitate towards USA and benefit off it.
>>18244698Venezuela was Americas biggest trade partner for their oil industry. The reality is that communism fucking sucks.
Why don't they just give up and ask for help.That way maybe they won't starve.
>>18244698The temptation only exist in countries with very low productivity. Only then the benefit for capture state resources outweighs the costs of stiffing its growth.
>>18244529>>18244619>>18244663>>18244674>>18244696If Communism makes you a shithole then the embargo would be unnecessary
>>18244523This fucking pan cake face and his vanilla takes on everything ruins anti-communism.
>>18244744Wrong, because they would still use foreign trade to support themselves, like how the USSR depended on grains from the US.
>>18244744The embargo against Cuba started as an arms embargo under Eisenhower against the Batista government. It simply continue and expanded after Castro took over due to the communist seizing millions of dollars in US industry in the country. Communism is a shithole favala slop ideology anon. Cuba, Venezuela, and Nicaragua are all the poorest shithole countries in the Americas. They all have kleptocratic buffoon leadership and their people STILL live in abject poverty. But at least "muh literacy rate" rose, right?
>>18244783And yet it transformed two feudal shitholes into superpowers
>>18244797You mean China that rejected Maosim under Deng and started taking out record loans from the World Bank?Or The Soviet Union which no longer exist?
>>18244607>Guatemala>Congo>Irannone of these guys were commies they were labelled as such as an excuse to steal their resources
>>18244663>get your shit pushed in against Korea>lose Veitnam>lose to China economically>can't kill Castro for shit despite him being in your back yard>have to bully muslims in the desert, African dictators or unsuspecting non communist governments who simply disagree with you
>>18244806>CongoLumumba did indeed threaten to side with the Soviet Union and join their sphere as a fuck you to the western powers. Either way he was taken out by his own military in a coup that the CIA had nothing to do with despite left wing conspiracytards claiming otherwise. Even in the Church Reports its the CIA saying they did nothing but come up with some plot to poison his toothpaste or something. >IranMossedegh did court the Communist Party of Iran and used this as his base to grant himself emergency dictatorial powers. Keep in mind that the PM was not the head of state in Iran, the Shah was. Mossedegh oversaw the seizure of BP oil which the British obviously responded to with force with their own blockade of Iran.
>>18244813>be weird anime faggot with no friends and get no pussy ever>start wearing your moms panties and jerking off>start idolozing communist dictators from history as a power fantasy where you get to kill everyone whoever made fun of youI bet youre like some 28 year old greasy loser going nowhere in your life right now and blame it all on capitalism.
>>18244821You can't afford groceries and will never own a home
>>18244818the CIA did facilitate his downfall by backing his killers>>18244821this is extreme levels of projection I idolise none of these guys except ArbenzThe real problem with the CIA is that they sell drugs and stolen arms in order to fund their operations to avoid being audited by the government on top of pioneering the use of shell companies and off shore banking as a way to hide their funds.
>>18244829>the CIA did facilitate his downfall by backing his killersno they didnt. This is objectively false. Go and read the Church reports, The CIA did plot a contingency plan to kill him, but he was overthrown by his own military in a coup and sought refuge in a UN run safehouse. The CIA said that after this he was basically untouchable. The one plan they landed on is creating a poison that he had to consume and their best way to do this was to inject it into his toothpaste, but they had no solid way to do this and the plan never went through.
>>18244826I do own a home and I can afford groceries anon. The fact that you say shit like this is just further proof of the sort of scumtier sewer mutant loser freak you are where you think everyone else is just as hopeless as you are. Just admit it, youre some lazy wastoid who spent all your formative years jerking off and playing video game and now the only job you can get is retail shit meant for highschool kids first job and youre the "old weird guy" there. You're such a coward that you cant accept responsibility for this and blame "capitalism" and cope with this power fantasy commissar shit. And the thing is you know Im 100% right and theres NOTHING you can argue otherwise.
>>18244833>Trusting the Church commissionThe coup was backed and paid for by Belgium and the US just because they didn't pull the trigger their involvement isn't negated.
>>18244829>DUDE The CIA tricked black people into smoking crack!
>>18244843The church reports are the only reason you even know about shit like MK Ultra or the CIA doing fucked up shit retard. It was just exposing all their internatal reports about secret operations. What we have about their operations in Congo are them plotting Lumumbas assassination with poison in a plan that never went through and them admitting they had nothing to do with his overthrow. The reality is that Patrice was an idealistic guy but wasnt a stable/solid leader especially in such an unstable area.
>>18244845>The CIA didnu nuffinWhy are you like this? They failed to give straight answers for anything during the Church commission but now that they admit to doing it you think it doesn't count?
>>18244690stop being russophobic
>>18244852we know a lot more since then it's not the 70's anymore a lot of the old CIA files have been released
>>18244854>why dont you blame all of societys problems on the CIA boogeymanBecause Im not retarded.
>>18244860There are no CIA files or reports that expose that they were behind or helped the coup that overthrew Lumumba. Coups, revolutions, executions ect. happen all over the world all throughout time anon. Other countries filled with people have their own agency and they choose to do fucked up shit on their own.
>>18244862There is no need to invent a strawmanThey evade the question during the Church committee but we know they collaborated with the Belgians to fund his opposition
>>18244868Its not a strawman, thats literally what your argument is based in. Anything bad in society is part of a CIA plot. Drug abuse issues in America? Oh, thats all because of the CIA. Take a step back and really consider what your saying because once you boil issues like this you realize just how retarded it is. You need to deprogram your brain from internet conspiracy theory shit.
>>18244871Drug abuse is an american problem, the CIA operation I'm talking about is the French connection not all of the drugs that come into the US. As for new CIA information on the Congo https://www.cia.gov/resources/csi/static/CIAs-Covert-Ops-Congo.pdf
>>18244523Funny pic. I don't like brown people
>>18244813>have to bully muslims in the desert, African dictators or unsuspecting non communist governments who simply disagree with youPot calling the kettle black
>>18245380Just because you think Lumumba was a commie (he was not) does not mean I am, I'm not a commie or a commie sympathiser.
>>18245425Yes anon we get it you watched the Siege of Jadotville Also>Being this butthurt that you've been monitoring this thread for at least six hours
>>18245477I have no idea who that is, you should stop inventing boogiemen.
>>18244783cuba outperforms the us in almost every qol metric retardturns out having vast numbers of illiterate inummerate unhealthy serfs is not a good social model
There are plenty of socialist countries that failed on their own despite having ZERO intervention from the USA/CIA.Somalia, Burma, TanzaniaEven the USSR and maoist china totally fucked upDo you really think cuba would be a paradise if they were allowed to trade with usa?Why are commies such retards?
>>18244523>Communism doesn't work because le CIA o algo!Embarrassing leftist/thirdie cope
REMINDERhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Toucan_(KGB)
>>18245830it is the "le jews!" cope but even more retardedAt least Jews actually exist, some secret CIA cabal that time travels to sabotage all communist movements do not exist.
REMINDER that socialism destroyed Venezuela LONG before any sanctions were placed on the country.
>>18244797Russia was already somewhat industrialized before communism.The USSR only industrialized because they got a massive amount of capitalist investment from the west.https://capx DOT co/soviet-communism-was-dependent-on-western-technology
>>18245809>cuba outperforms the us in almost every qol metric retardThis isn't even remotely true lmaoThis is what their healthcare system actually looks like.
>>18244826>You can't afford groceries and will never own a homeDue to socialist policies, like central banking, endless money printing and endless government spending, yes.Why don't we try capitalism instead?
>>18245845Not investments but direct tech transfers and expertise that Stalin bought for hard cash obtained from starving millions of peasants.Had Russia never gone commie, that could be obtained at much lower cost.
>>18245850>Not investments but direct tech transfers and expertise that Stalin bought for hard cash obtained from starving millions of peasants.True.Read Antony Sutton's work on the issue.I really wish this knowledge was more widespread because it blows the commie narrative on the ussr wide open.Read:https://web.archive.org/web/20210518104702/https://ia601203.us.archive.org/5/items/Parts13/55520165-1-Western-Technology-and-Soviet-Economic-Development-1917-1930-1968.pdfhttps://web.archive.org/web/20210518104623/https://ia801203.us.archive.org/5/items/Parts13/55437228-2-Western-Technology-and-Soviet-Economic-Development-1930-1945-1971.pdfhttps://web.archive.org/web/20210518104634/https://ia801203.us.archive.org/5/items/Parts13/55435162-3-Western-Technology-and-Soviet-Economic-Development-1945-1965-1973.pdfhttps://www.npr.org/transcripts/463565987https://www.newnetherlandinstitute.org/history-and-heritage/dutch_americans/frederick-chase-koch/RUSSIA WAS QUITE DEVELOPED BEFORE THE USSRhttps://www.encyclopedia.com/history/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/economy-tsarist
>>18245849Pure, unregulated capitalism leads to monopolies, boom and bust crashes, horrific inequality and people prayed upon by predatory companies..Mixed system in which the economy works on the basis of capitalist principles but the state mediates its worst excesses and provided a safety net is the thinking man's choice.
>>18245853>unregulated capitalism leads to monopoliesThis is a myth.There are no monopolies without government intervention. Standard oil was never a monopoly, they were simply a successful firm that managed to lower oil prices for the masses and kept them low for decades.>boom and bust crashesAll of these are due to government intervention, ie. central banking and monetary fuckery.https://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Panics>horrific inequalityIf your real wages increase a lot over time, why do you care that someone else has more money than you. Decreasing inequality doesn't magically make the poor better off. What makes them better off is increases in productivity.
>>18245858>There are no monopolies without government interventionOf course they do. DeBeers is classic example.And in modern globalized economy its even easier. A big external player sets up shop in some other country, dumps prices in order to drive all competition into business, enjoys being the monopoly. You know, how Chinese do it.> All of these are due to government intervention, ie. central banking and monetary fuckery.Again a classical example - tulip mania. Boom and bust despite zero government oversight.> If your real wages increase a lot over time, why do you care that someone else has more money than you.The problem is that they do not increase unless employers are somehow forced to do it. Back in the day you could argue that workforce shortages may force wage increases, but in globalized world employers may simply import a gazillion of Indians when local workers demand more money.Like how you conveniently ignored the point about people being predated upon by unregulated companies.
>>18245858>>18245871>drive all competition into businessout of business. damn auto correct
>>18245871>DeBeerslmaoThis is one of the classic examples of a government created monopoly that would absolutely never exist in a free market.https://mises.org/mises-daily/how-cartels-ensure-diamonds-last-forever>A big external player sets up shop in some other country, dumps prices in order to drive all competition into business, enjoys being the monopoly.This literally never happens. Predatory pricing never works.Why are there no companies with 100% market share then?>tulip maniahttps://mises.org/mises-daily/truth-about-tulipmania>The problem is that they do not increase unless employers are somehow forced to do it.Really?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilded_Age"The rapid expansion of industrialization led to real wage growth of 40% from 1860 to 1890, spreading across the expanding labor force. The average annual wage per industrial worker, including men, women, and children, rose from $380 in 1880 ($12,381 in 2024 dollars[1]) to $584 in 1890 ($19,738 in 2024 dollars[1]), a gain of 59%.[2]"Reminder I am talking about "real wages" meaning prices are forced down while your nominal wages either stay the same or go up, making you much better off.>workforce shortages may force wage increasesIncreases in production are what increased real wages, the economy was able to produce more goods using fewer inputs, thus prices went down and people could afford more goods using their wages.
>>18244523>How dare you Americans fight the Cold War!
>>18245846>macaco speakdisregarded
>>18244607Peak boomer rot brain
>>18245858>they were simply a successful firm that managed to lower oil prices for the masses and kept them low for decades.They basically owned most of the market and could choke out competition at a whim. Same shit you see in telecom.
>>18244523Venezuela collapsed economically because the dumbasses there assumed the price of oil would continue to rise forever, and appointed their terrible cronies and political supporters to run their state-ran oil company rather than anyone with experience.During Trump's first term the very first sanctions on Venezuela were put into place. Only on their political leaders - who are tyrannical criminals.Now Trump is doing random illegal bullshit to distract people from the bad economy and how he raped kids. I don't even think he will go to war with Venezuela, he just wants to aid his narrative about protecting our country from foreigners
>>18245930And since it could basically eat up the competition it basically meant it pretty much had way too much of a dominating impact in the sector.
>>18245930>They basically owned most of the marketBy the time they were broken up they only had 63% market share.They did this by being the best, the most efficient and having the best technology.Why is this a bad thing?Are you against lower prices?>could choke out competition at a whimYes because they were more efficient lolShould we let less efficient, more wasteful companies win just because they're butthurt about being inferior?
>>18245887>MisesLmao
>>18245940That's still pretty huge.>They did this by being the best, the most efficient and having the best technologyThey dis it buy buying up the competitors and pressuring them out. It's silly to assume they'll always be on top. Many monopolies, supplies and oligopies have the top company or companies basically beinf really slow on rolling out things because they can pretty muc dictate the speed of the roll out (or not at all) of key services and infrastructure.
>>18245942I love how the Mises institute is literally correct about everything. :)>>18245948>That's still pretty huge.Is it a problem though?If an entity is increasing production and lowering prices for the masses, why is this a bad thing?>They dis it buy buying up the competitorsThat was just one thing they did. They mainly innovated.
>>18244523The real question here is, what are you going to do about it? What is anybody going to do about it? Nothing? Then lick the boot, faggot.
>>18245852I feel like this is something that is well-known by anyone that actually cares about Russian history (and, you know, aren't partisan hacks)
>>18246220It's not though, barely anyone knows it.I wish people who criticized communism and the ussr had more information like this but they don'talso shit like this helps too
>>18245928>I want to kill you>Don't fight back>That's oppressing me
>>18245846Opulent
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>>18245887>mises.orgI've read some of linked articles and this source sounds completely unhinged, bending history to fit their political angle.
>>18244860>the CIA do it!>source? the CIA
>>18246454prove them wrong then
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