Is there any actual unbiased evidence that the Nazis committed war crimes? Not fabrications but real legitimate events.
>>18244725The Nazis documented the Holocaust themselves. Anyone who denies it is just burying their head in the sand.https://www.ghwk.de/fileadmin/Redaktion/PDF/Konferenz/protokoll-januar1942_barrierefrei.pdf
>>18244725Thats Adolf Eichmann on trial in Israel. He faced 15 charges which did include war crimes. The trial lasted four months, From April until August 1961. His lawyer was Robert Servatius, a German lawyer who was noted as a defense attorney for multiple Nazi officials charged with war crimes after WW2. Eichmann was eventually convicted of all 15 charges. He appealed these charges to the Israeli supreme court, but the upheld them. He requested the President of Israel, but he was hanged on June 1, 1962.Its important to note that Eichmann was part of the original Wannsee Conference meeting and served as the secretary of the meeting.
>>18244736January 20, 1942SS Obergruppenführer Reinhard Heydrich, acting on behalf of the Reich Security Main Office, oversaw a meeting with officials from the SS, the SA, the National Socialist party, The German military, and members of the German government. The meeting was held in the Berlin suburb of Wannsee.Over the course of 90 min. this meeting goes over what they refer to as “the final solution to the Jewish question.” Among other things, they are presented with a census of all Jews in Europe and are instructed on plans to gather up all of these Jews, move them into ghettos used as holding stations, and from there shipped to various camps across Eastern Europe.The meeting also lays out the specific criteria of who will be considered a Jew.Here is the full transcript of the meeting minutes, which were transcribed by Adolf Eichmann, acting as Heydrichs number 2 during the meeting. It is 10 pages long.https://holocaust.umd.umich.edu/news/uploads/WanseeProtocols.pdf
>>18244737>what about the Haavra Agreement? Or the Madagascar plan?As the meeting laid out, the Reich had two objectives concerning Jews in Germany>a) the expulsion of the Jews from every sphere of life of the German people,>b) the expulsion of the Jews from the living space of the German people.They sought emigration of Jews as a legal way to rid themselves of them, but this proved to be a logistical nightmare, especially since the Jews were expected to foot the bill entirely on their own. Also, host nations for Jewish migrants faced issues with being able to take them in. The documents show that concerning the over half a million Jews in Germany proper, the emigration solution was officially cancelled with the outbreak of the war in Europe in favor of the plan laid out in Wannseepic related is Jewish emigration from Germany before the war. Notice how most would move to areas that would later be taken by Germany during the war, making their movement to escape Nazi rule moot.
>>18244740A common excuse you often see deniers make is that the 6 million figure of the Holocaust is impossible since there were not that many Jews in Europe at the time.But the Wannsee Conference included a census of all the Jews in Europe, which was broken down by country. According to official Reich documents, they estimated that there were 11 million Jews in Europe as of 1942. Also, they note that the total number is probably higher since in foreign countries, Jews are only calculated by those who practice the religion. Since they do not specifically categorize them by race, as the Reich does, they lay out procedure on how to do this in other countries to get a more accurate number.It also clearly states what is to be done with the Jews of Europe under Germany authority>Under proper guidance, in the course of the final solution the Jews are to be allocated for appropriate labor in the East. Able-bodied Jews, separated according to sex, will be taken in large work columns to these areas for work on roads, in the course of which action doubtless a large portion will be eliminated by natural causes.>The possible final remnant will, since it will undoubtedly consist of the most resistant portion, have to be treated accordingly, because it is the product of natural selection and would, if released, act as a the seed of a new Jewish revival (see the experience of history.)>In the course of the practical execution of the final solution, Europe will be combed through from west to east. Germany proper, including the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia, will have to be handled first due to the housing problem and additional social and political necessities.>The evacuated Jews will first be sent, group by group, to so-called transit ghettos, from which they will be transported to the East.From page 6https://holocaust.umd.umich.edu/news/uploads/WanseeProtocols.pdf
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>>18244725Anon, this board is patrolled by reddit commies and jewish goylems almost 24/7, which is retarded, I doubt more than a couple hundred autists still use this board. I recommend you to look up the holocaust handbook series or archived threads on the matter.
>>18244725Here is the "Military Justice Decree" that was issued to the German military right before Operation Barbarossa. Feel free to read through it, but it basically gave a green light to execute civilians and said no German soldier would face legal consequences for this, which is a war crime. https://nuremberg.law.harvard.edu/documents/451135-decree-for-the-government?mode=imageIts signed by Adolf Hitler as Fuhrer of Germany and by Wilhelm Keitel as the Supreme Commander of the Germany MilitaryKeitel was later charged with and convicted of war crimes.
>>18244757Cope, no argument, seethe, and youre a bitch and gay whining about this not being youre safe space.
>>18244758>nuremberg trialsdon't cite anything from the nuremberg trials if you want to be taken seriously retard.
>>18244725>where's the evidence>here is the evidence>that's fabricated>no it isn't>JEW! KIKE SHILL!!!!!There, threads done now.
>>18244761What do you gain from this?Do you know constantly shitting up the basket weaving forums only led to these ideas you are trying to insult to move to the public discourse, right?
>>18244762>uneducated hick retard who hardly graduated highschool and gets all his takes from engagement slop targeted to retards on bitchute talking about being "taken seriously"lol go back to watching e-celeb drama or whatever it is you do faggot.
>>18244768>why are you discussing HISTORY and on BOARD MEANT FOR HISTORY DISCUSSION?!!?!massive cope. You have no argument and your entire world view is bullshit and you are completely impotent to defend it.
>>18244772You are not discussing anything, you are just copy pasting from your troon discord server and shitting up the board.I just want you to understand that these shitty tactics are what caused normies to be infected with the ideas you are pretending to fight.
>>18244769So how many allied war criminals got tried and convicted then during the nuremberg trials? Which soviet leaders got convicted for the Katyn massacre? Dumb fuck.
>>18244778OP asked a question and I provided answers with sources. Notice how all you can do is cope and shitpost? Thats because youre stupid and fell for neo-nazi slop without a second thought, again, because youre stupid.
>>18244782>Whataboutismnot an argument. Please see>>18244763>>18244758>>18244752>>18244742>>18244740>>18244737OP asked about war crimes. Specific examples with sources provided.
>>18244786There's no convincing these idiots. Any proof you present will just be regarded as "a Jewish fabrication."
>>18244786At this point I doubt OP is other than you and this is just one of those disguised dump threads like the one that was made during your turn about fascist being gay and commies the opposite.
>>18244805>insane schizo cope mode cool>>18244799I know. I make these responses to expose denierfags as completely unserious and dickless faggots. Im putting them through a humiliation ritual which ruins their mystic and prevents others from falling into their pits, especially more intelligent people
>>18244807Maybe one day they will add ids to /his/ so these tactics stop. Until then enjoy your shitposting, troon.
>>18244791So you're denying the Kathyn massacre ever happened? In what world can you be convicted for a "crime" when it wasn't a crime at the time? How stupid are you monkey? Do you know in what year the Charter of the International Military Tribunal was created you monkey?
>>18244786>>18244791>>18244772do the jews at least pay you for this or are they too cheap for that?
>>18244799You're the idiot for thinking the nuremberg show trials were fair trials when it convicts people for committing "crimes" for which were not crimes at the time. That's like the state sentencing you to death for eating steak but eating steak at the time was legal. This is how retarded you people sound. Imagine reading "evidence" and bringing it up but not knowing anything about the legal framework of the trials. Complete dipshit.
>>18244834See>>18244731There are troves of documentation gathered from the Nazi regime that explicitly outlines their plans for mass ethnic cleansing which were all written prior to the end of the war. The idea that the only proof for the Holocaust lies in the testimony of those at Nuremberg is utterly asinine. You neo-Nazis only parrot that line because you bury your heads in the sand and pretend all the other evidence just doesn't exist (or is merely fabricated if it does).
>>18244814>>18244817>>18244823>>18244834Notice how the deniers STILL have no argument and can only shitpost and throwout buzzwords?
>>18244849>>18244869I just said that you don't even understand the Nuremberg show trials legal framework, how retarded are you? If the foundation is broken you can prove someone guilty of anything if you want to. Holyshit plebbitors are retards. Go back you subhumans.
>>18244849>muh documentation You said that the nazis documented their mass ethnic cleansing? Where is the copy of the supposed Generalplan Ost then? Oh yes it doesn't exist. kek you are a giant mongoloid. The soviets ethnically cleansed many people, where are their trial? Oh yes trials are only for the losers in order words it has nothing to do with establishing the truth.
>>18244725Are you shitting me? The evidence is overwhelming and comes from the nazis themselves.We have their own meticulous records (wannsee protocol, death camp ledgers, einsatzgruppen reports), thousands of allied & axis photos/videos from liberated camps, contemporary german soldier's letters home bragging about atrocities, international & german post-war trials using captured docs, the physical archaeology of death camps and mass graves.
>>18244731I learned German specifically to be able to read the wanseekonferenz minutes in the original deutsch
>>18244905>german soldier's letters home bragging about atrocities,Share
>>18244898>well it didn't happen but if it did the soviets did it tooYou know you have a strong moral position when you're comparing yourself to a soviet.
>>18244731how do we know this wasnt made after the war
i read that in the holocaust the germans used to boil huge pots of water and trick jews into thinking they were jacuzzi’s ;-;
>>18244725wannsee conference was about dealing with the jews within the reich borders ea: working camps etc not destruction perse.Most killings happend in the east.. that is trueHowever the whole gassing story is for the biggest part BS. (some truth to it with gas experiments with meyer etc)
Article 21. The Tribunal shall not require proof of facts of common knowledge but shall take judicial notice thereof. It shall also take judicial notice of official governmental documents and reports of the United Nations, including the acts and documents of the committees set up in the various Allied countries for the investigation of war crimes, and the records and findings of military or other Tribunals of any of the United Nations.Article 19. The Tribunal shall not be bound by technical rules of evidence. It shall adopt and apply to the greatest possible extent expeditious and non-technical procedure, and shall admit any evidence which it deems to have probative value.
>>18244834The mass extermination of entire groups was illegal. There was no formal law authorizing the mass killing of the disabled for example, just some memo by Hitler saying "go ahead". Even Hitler's dictatorial rule was a violation of the terms of the Enabling Act. The whole point of international law establishes after the war was that these atrocities would never be repeated
>>18244914It's not a comparison. The soviets did and the Nazi never did it and there's no proof that they planned to do it. You're such a mongoloid. You failed argue against any of the points I made.
>>18245061>the Wannsee Protocol was introduced as evidence by Jewish prosecutor Robert Kempner in 1947.They are literally laughing in your face. Imagine how retarded you have to be to believe this.
>>18245153Did the nuremberg trials try people for crimes that were not considered crimes at the time they were committed? Stop evading the question numbnut.
>>18244736Yeah I am so sure ISRAEL which owes its existence to the myth is biased and impartial and the kangaroo trial should surprise no one.
>>18244914>moral position oh now it's about morals. Great way to say you're a fucking dumbass, you didn't even know the legal framework of the trial you were using as "evidence" to try to argue that the Nazis did war crimes. Also crimes against humanity and war crimes are two different things dumbass.
>>18245201yes.. it happend but it was about moving the jews out of the way to work camps to prevent partisans en not about the extermination.learn how to read pleb
>>18244725Should Keitel have been acquitted?
>>18245474Yes but what? When did I mention extermination? You are literally retarded. And then you tell me to read. lol
>>18244725Yes
>>18244725Holocaust denial is genuinely very rare in Germany because our grandparents were literally first hand witnesses to the NS era and anyone who isn't a drooling retard could add 2+2 together and realized "huh where did every single Jew I knew end up going? Haven't seen Isidor in a while!"
>>18245694there is really no helping you..
>>18245997>The Jews are silly. They claim that masturbation machines and sexual experiments exist. How can these be real?>So, because of these fake claims, the Holocaust cannot be real!>Horrible! Americans cock and ball tortured Germans! No, this cna not be fake, don't be silly.
>>18244869Because OP, there is no proof that the documents you have provided can't be forged too. Even if some US fed from the 1940's sign his translation as faithful, how do we know he didn't translate from some fake bullshit. Why would some SS officer keep some old order dated from 3 years ago in his office for Nuremberg. If you're an officer and liable for a war crime you're about to commit, why not just cut the paper trail and burn it? And man, I don't trust whatever public document is available for the public domain for the most controversial and justificated on war in human history, even more after the fed releases for the Epstein case. All this to say you're a jew and you're retarded.
>>18245710There is no helping YOU. You have still failed to refute any of the arguements made. Only deflections and moving the goalpost.
>>18244725Literally open any history textbook and you’ll find the answer. There is overwhelming evidence against the Nazis. This is basic historical knowledge that even a fourth grader could understand.
>>18244849>>18244914>>18244731>no actual evidence they committed any war crimesIs this like that 40 beheaded babies myth that was proven a lie?>>18244736trials are not evidence.
>>18245065You don't know what these two things mean, do you?
>>18244885>>18246033schzio retard ramblings.
>>18247369What do they mean?
>>18244725I don't care so much about the war crimes and whether or not they happened, which in all likelihood they did. My question is mainly, why, out of the ~70 million people that died in this war, are the 6 million Jews the most important? Do the other 64 million people not count?
>>18247767>why do stormniggers obsess over a fraction of the victimsBecause it's easier to lie about them than it is to cope your way out of claiming that every single non-jewish victim is a communist liar o algo.
Have an SS document.>The Waffen-SS had been extremely effective in fighting the enemy subhumans and had not shied away from cruelty. In Polish ghettos from which weapons were fired, several women and children were rounded up in cellars and then hand grenades were thrown into these cellars. The Waffen-SS was the most radical troop that took no prisoners at all, but utterly destroyed every enemy.
>>18248387I think you misunderstand my post. I meant 70 million total, from all belligerents, also if you include the Holodomor and associated ethnic cleansing/mass murders stretching all the way back through the Russian civil war, the number increases dramatically. Same thing with Germans if you look at how they were treated in the late and post war period. Why out of these countless killings and the milieu of human misery, is the plight of the Jew the only one that matters? Why do they get museums and an exclusive victim status when they were holding the sword just as often as they were having it brought down upon them? Why are Germans considered to be solely responsible when they were not even present for a good chunk of the slaughter?
>>18244834>when it convicts people for committing "crimes" for which were not crimes at the timeThe stuff they're accused of would have been unthinkable if even half of it is true. Granted they got a few commies but it represents a complete rejection of European heritage and civilization.Western civilization invading and destroying murderous savage cultures is an established European principle. No one would have to explain to civilized Victorians who heard of the child ghetto purges what had to be done.It's not their fault Germans forgot.
