What even was Generalplan Ost? Did the Nazis intend to exterminate the slavs in the east wholesale or did they just intend to create various german colonies inside Russia?
>>18245076>Extermination or expulsion of 80–85% of Poles;>Extermination or expulsion of 50–75% of Czechs;>Extermination of 50–60% of Russians in the European part of the Soviet Union, with a further 15–25% to be relocated to the east (i.e., resettled or expelled beyond the Urals, to Siberia);>Extermination of 25% of Ukrainians and Belarusians, with a further 30–40% of Ukrainians and 30–50% of Belarusians to be “expelled” to the east.This is what german wikipedia has to say to it. The rest were to be either germanized or enslaved.
>>18245096Grim. Thank you Uncle Joe for smiting this white demon
>>18245097He could also have done it without killing millions of innocent russians and ukrainians, but sure. The bad deed does not erase the good or something like that.
>>18245076>>18245096>>18245097>>18245100Funny how Israel immediately started doing this with the Palestine and its still ongoing.
>>18245100>He could also have done it without killing millions of innocent russians and ukrainians, but sureThe fuck are you on about? Americans never killed ''millions of innocent Russians and Ukrainians'' during ww2.
>>18245350I thought uncle joe refers to stalin.
>>18245076God I wish I could live in the Goth district
>>18245076https://archived.moe/his/thread/17474455/#17474458https://www.reddit.com/r/ShitWehraboosSay/comments/q5719u/complete_translation_of_the_generalplan_ost/Start here
>>18245351Enjoy the hot and dusty ukrainian steppe with shitty soil and no water
>>18245076 The end goal was the germanization of the east (creation of german settler colonies forming the upper and middle classes, alongside germanized collaborators), with partial extermination to keep the native population numbers to manageable level, while still keeping them around as workforce.So for example, you would have a "republic of Ukraine" or "Russian republic" where the goverment, the upper classes and education is all done in german, and native languages are considered peasant dialects
Post-war commie propaganda.
>>18245096Why’d they outlaw abortion in Slav land if they wanted to expel them?>>18245097Based Putinskyy is continuing based Hitler’s work. Soon he will be joined by Iran and the judeo Bolsheviks will be gone forever.
>>18245747>literally plebbitReminder general plan ost didn’t exist and no actual documents of it survive. It was a post war propaganda piece to justify Slavic behaviors. We know today Slavs should be removed because they are violent aids ridden troglodytes, however Hitler at the time didn’t know they should be removed which is why a majority of Slavs by far in German territory survived despite being a net negative to the war effort.
>>18245076There wasn't a single plan, but many different ideas being floated around for German colonies in the East. Most centered on turning Southern Ukraine into a German settlement zone so its farmland could by utilized. Hitler usually spoke vaguely of a giant German empire ruling a Russian underclass with an apartheid system in place.
>>18245076The overall long term goal was the entrenchment of a German ruling class that would solidify Germany's control over Eastern Europe as a colonial hinterland, a territorially contiguous space providing cheap labour, enlarged markets, military strategic depth, and vast quantities of all the raw materials and natural resources Germany would require to circumvent any Anglo-American naval blockade / being cut off from international markets, provide Germany with a strong base of power (with room for enormous expansion) in the coming superpower competition with the United States between Germany/Europe and the United States/North America (as Hitler forecast in his Second Book) and also as a means of achieving the domestic American-style affluence Hitler believed that Germans deserved. According to the plans outlined in the fourth version of Generalplan Ost (the most developed plan out of six iterations or so) Germanization is assumed to have been completed ' […] when the professional self-employed, the civil servants, the clerks and the upper-class workers and the associated families are German.' In the three 'settlement marks' (as outlined in OP's picture, though not so quite as expansive, Memel-Narew (so District Bialystok) Ingermanland (Leningrad and hinterland) and Crimea-Taurien (Crimea and its hinterland), Germanization would be completed upon reaching a 50% German population. In the 'settlement pearls' (of which there were about from the General Governorate to the Leningrad-Bryansk-Crimea line) it was 25%. All of this was to take place across a period of 25 years split into five consecutive 5 Year-Plans which would require around 5.5 million Germans/Germanics and Germanizable natives to complete.
>>18245076It was a *plan*. Himmler was waiting on Hitler's approval for implementation but then Stalingrad happened and they weren't in a position to debate over what the post-victory map would look like.
>>18245870Yes it did, you dumb fuck. Germshits were trying to colonize Europe.
>>18245870Shut the fuck up, you sub-human Germnigger. The only part of Europe being removed right now, is Germanistan while Poland is thriving.
>>18245311>please care about shitskin raghead rapefugeesNo.
>>18246337Poland has lower birthrates than germany. It is an empty potato steppe by 2100, you pickle growing peasant.
>>18245870Bait>>18246337>>18246412Poland at least will be a polish steppe. Germany will be a germano-muslim-african postapocalyptic wasteland. Unless we yet get rid of the muslims, in which case it will be a german steppe.
>>18246415Who cares, its unimportant. Its like yelling at the clouds that alaska has eskimos.
I hate stormfags so fucking much, go back to fucking /int/ or something
>>18246434Not sure what you mean, but I care a lot about whether germany stays german or not.
>>18246441You have no control over future populations on a certain region, you probably are also a loner incel fag that cannot even control things outside of his basement or neighbourhood let alone a family.
>>18246463>You have no control over future populations on a certain region
>>18246412Better an empty region that belongs to my tribe than a occupied territory that belongs to another tribesWjñhibcares if your territory is more populated when you are giving your women, lands and power to foreign men kekYou bare being made their bitch
>>18246504>I measure my property on the number of language x speaking cattle thats on the ranchYoull lose to india with that mentality.
>>18245076They manhandled Slavs in a language they could understand. Look what Jews like Naftaly Frenkel and Genrikh Yagoda did to russians long before Hitler came to power.
>>18246813Except thats what you are doing
>>18246874>t. Roma
>>18246866Soviet terror on Volga Germans was far more brutal than anything Nazis could have come up for Russians. Not to mention what they did Finns, Poles, Greeks, Koreans etc.
>>18245076Generalplan was both, and that’s what makes it so utterly deranged. It was the full, spreadsheet-and-blueprint autism of the Holocaust, but for Slavs.The plan was to kill roughly 80-90% of all Poles, Russians, Belarusians, and Ukrainians through starvation (like the Hunger Plan), mass shootings, and worked-to-death slavery. The surviving 10-20% would be de-Slavified illiterate serfs for German colonists. They literally had maps drawn up for German settlement areas stretching to the Urals, with cities like Leningrad and Moscow wiped off the earth.So yes, literal extermination of hundreds of millions to make room for farmville but with actual blood and soil. Holocaust was just the warm-up.
>>18246336>>18246337>>18246415>Polish seethingThere was no general plan Ost, you violent apes were getting yourselves killed, just like you are today.You are Asiatics pretending to be Europeans.There was no plan to exterminate Slavs, the vast majority of slavs survived this alleged extermination.>b-but they wanted tothought crimes arent crimes
>>18245076There wasn't one definite plan. There were several documents of SS officials discussing mass deporting Poles and Ukrainians to beyond the Urals, and plans to fragment Russia as a state
>>18246915I always had a hard time accepting this. Not because I am a nazi apologist, but because it's simply not possible. To intergrate such a vast distance of land into relatively tiny Germany would have been to tie a huge rock to a baloon. Even today West Germany struggle to integrate East Germany because of the massive economic differences that needs to be funneled. Germany in 1939 had already gained a nearly double of land from Czechia and Poland, land that was under-developed and would have take a generation to assimilate, especially if its going to be assimilated via demographics as well. To settle the Polish and Czech areas would have taken several generations.But with Generalplan Ost, we're talking from Warsaw to Baku. That's an unbelieveable distance with countless cities. You simply cannot kill off the population and then maintain everything with a sparse number of colonists. It would have been an economic impossibility, and if the Germans had tried, it would have given a walk-over to the US in this alt-cold war. Germany would look more like Pol Pots KampucheaThat's why I'm more ready to believe that General Plan Ost did exist but it's been massively inflated by post-war propaganda for what the Germans did intend.A lot of it seems to be grounded on The Hunger Plan, which was the fact that Germany deliberately starved the east in order to feed themselves, which isnt far from what the British did in India during the war. The Germans generally did not care if Slavs died since they were seen as racially inferior, but the Hunger Plan was still pragmatic in nature. Even Churchill tried to somewhat 'justify' the Bengal famine by making racist remarks against IndiansI believe General Plan Ost probably had long-term extermination policies, but we're talking extremely long-term, not immediate war-winning conditions. The focus of General Plan Ost was likely to simply turn the Slavic people in the east into something that looked like Western colonial policies
>>18247798>The Hunger Plan, which was the fact that Germany deliberately starved the east in order to feed themselves, which isnt far from what the British did in India during the war.>NOOOOO YOU CANT CHOOSE YOURSELF OVER OTHERS THINK OF THE HECKIN SLAVS OTHER SLAVS GREW THAT FOOD THAT MEANS IT BELONGS TO THE SLAVIC RACEThe Hunger Plan is what literally 100% of countries experiencing food shortages do.There is no reasonable expectation for the Germans to not do what they did.
>>18247798Only non retarded post in the thread
>>18247821The Germans were experiencing food shortage because they kept invading an increasing amount of state.They invaded Poland and thus got cut off from the global market food imports.They continued to recieve just about enough imports from the USSR through trade, but then they also invaded them.The fields of Ukraine were scorched as a resultSo yes, it doesnt become problematic when a people who were just minding their own business, becomes a part of a policy of deliberate starvation because an aggressor nation needs to sustain the war.No one would have starved if there was no war, or at least not to that extent.My point however, is that Hunger Plan was nearly on parallel with the Indian famine during the war, as Britain also forcefully re-directed food away from Indians to Britain, tho they were less callous about it than Germany was about Slavs starving. The British viewed it as a regretfulThe Germans viewed it with complete indifference and even tried to spin it to something positive.But in the end, they were largely done on the same basis of circumstances, but have been framed differently post-ww2, and that's why I believe Generalplan Ost is heavily distorted as part of the de-nazificiation process post-ww2.
>>18245076Nazis were a lot less coherent than people think, frankly anti-Semitism and German Jingoism are literally the only two consistent aspects of the whole movement, otherwise everything could be bent and adapted based on the Führer's whims and arbitrary feelings
>>18247754>There was no general plan OstYes, there was.We are Europeans, while you germs are becoming Eurabians.
>>18247821>we are the good guys, ok maybe we starved millions of europeans but it's okay because there was no choice and they were subhumans anyway neonazi mask-off moment
