>>18246622
You don't live a meaningful life tho. You're wasting your youth on an obscure bot infested debate board.

>>18246622
They don't embrace it, they are just not forgiven for it. But they are not charged for it either. It's kind of a zero sum thing.

Though what good is degeneracy anyway?

>>18246632
>Though what good is degeneracy anyway?
Ask all the people who engage in it.

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>>18246622
>atheists have no morality
LMAO, no god = no morals is a tired, weak-ass argument. Atheists get morals from empathy, logic, and the social contract, not fear of hell. You only behave because sky daddy might spank you?

>choose illegal acts like sodomy
Fucking cringe. Laws ≠ morality, christcuck. Your holy book also says not to mix fabrics and to stone disobedient kids. You picking and choosing, or you follow all those too? Degeneracy is just your cope for being a judgemental prick.

>christians choose meaningful lives
Massive cope! Atheists find meaning in family, art, science, and helping others... real shit, not just cosplaying for a celestial promotion. Plenty of Christians are hateful, greedy trash. Your belief is a virtue signal.

>>18246672
>Atheists get morals from empathy,
People's empathy varies from person to person.
>logic
Logic can't give you morality, ethics at most.
>and the social contract
So if the social contract were to change, so would your morality?
> Laws ≠ morality
You just said that you got morality from the social contract, which is the law. Which one is it retar?
> Your holy book also says not to mix fabrics and to stone disobedient kids.
Those rules were for the ancient Israelites, not for us.
>You picking and choosing
All atheist "morality" is picking and choosing, stop being a hypocrite.
>Atheists find meaning in family, art, science, and helping others...
Atheists have the biggest rates of depression and suicide, turns out that no, science and art and family don't give your life meaning, Ecclesiastes was right.

>>18246709
>people's empathy varies from person to person.
So fucking what? Objective morality is a cope. Your own book has genocide and slavery, you just ignore it.

>logic can't give you morality, ethics at most.
There is no ethical should without the logical if.

Atheist logic&ethics = if you want a functioning society, then...
Your ethics = muh God said so = Ultimate appeal to authority!

Our meaning is built, not handed down like a shitty participation trophy.

> You just said that you got morality from the social contract, which is the law. Which one is it retar?
Social contract ≠ written law, you illiterate. It is the foundation of law. And yes, it evolves. Your morality evolves too, you just pretend it doesn't while wearing mixed fabrics and shit.

>atheists have the biggest rates of depression and suicide
Because we don't pretend suffering is part of a sky daddy's plan. We actually try to fix the world.

>>18246725
secular = highest HDI, IQ, lowest crime rates (Japan, Sweden, etc.)

meanwhile religious places are poverty/rape capitals

Also, project harder about pedos, your clergy's childsex booking is full and your faith relies on childhood indoctrination.

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>>18246734
>hedonism is le bad
t. sadistic psychopath

>>18246734
You're a hedonist too. You literally argue against atheism by saying that it makes people sad lmao.

>>18246732
>So fucking what?
So if people were to base their morality on their empathy, they'd reach very different conclusions and would be in conflict with one another. It's not a good foundation for morality.
>There is no ethical should without the logical if.
And you have to prove the if first, which logic can't do, you'd have to go with presuppositionalism for that, and I'm not sure that you want to do that.
>if you want a functioning society
A lot of atheists would argue that the society we're living under is not functional and it ought to be torn down. I'd really have to depend on your definition of "functional", some people want a socialist state, some a capitalist state, some want anarchism, some want monarcy, some want democracy, some technocracy.

Also there's the fact that you can have perfectly functional societies that endorse things such as slavery, child marriage, even human sacrifice and cannibalism, things that we'd both find morally repugnant, and yet, their societies work just fine.. Morality is not necessary for a functional society.
>And yes, it evolves.
Then in changes, then you have no moral highground for judging Christians for supposedly "picking and choosing" their morality when you do the same.
>Because we-
Thank you for conceding that atheist are dysgenic, nihilistsic, losers who don't have children and don't build the future.

>>18246743
Nta, how many children do you have?

Regular reminder that the basic plank of Christianity is that you can run around snapping necks all day and setting fire to buses full of pregnant women and so long as you repent before you die you go to heaven
>in before prideful people claim they know what's in another man's heart and that it's not real repentance

>>18246732
We actually try to fix the world.
No, this is cope, atheists are depressed specifically BECAUSE they believe the world is unfixable, if they didn't think that they wouldn't be depressed, they'd be hopeful. Add to that the fact that they think there's nothing after death, nor is there divine retribution for evil-doing or reward for being righteous, and it makes total sense that they'd be depressed with such a bleak outlook in life.
>Because we don't pretend suffering is part of a sky daddy's plan.
People who believe in God and think suffering is part of God's plan have an insentive to be hopeful even in the worst situations and see meaning in them. These are not the same people.

>>18246743
>you'd have to go with presuppositionalism for that
Atheists get ours moral from well-being and consent, not an invisible sky book supposings.

> you can have perfectly functional societies that endorse things such as slavery
Theist MORALITY everyone! Slavery and child rape are perfectly functional apparently.

>you have no moral highground for judging Christians
If morals evolve and improve, then judging past christian atrocities is valid.

>>18246747
One.

Why does Christianity entirely revolve around gay sex? You can’t even hypothetically accuse atheists of anything “illegal” except sodomy.

>>18246752
Holy shit, you just solved depression!

>just hope it away bro :D
Tell that to my fuckking brain chemistry.

>such a bleak outlook in life.
I see the world as it is. You are the one on copium, making up fairy tales because you can't handle blackpill.

No eternal reward means this life fucking matters. We help people because it's right, not for brownie points in heaven.

>>18246756
>I plan to have five I will raise my sons as warriors against lgbt, teach them to reject rainbow ideology, I will teach my daughters to embrace purity. When the time comes, the zoomers will march the streets with guns and shoot every sodomite on sight. Mass executions against troons, atheists, and sodomites will be beautiful.
Again, why is your religion just an obsession with buttsex?

>>18246758
its one of the most repugnant and unforgivable sins

athiests were rebellious children who were upset at mom & dad for making them go to church. they know fully well how childish their behavior is

>>18246762
>J-JUST BE A BETTER PERSON AND LET THAT HOMO GROOM YOUR SON
>>18246763
you hate bugs anon, anon, does that mean you want to fuck them?

>>18246753
>Atheists get ours moral from well-being and consent
Which vary greatly from person to person, each person has a different definition of well-being or where the boundaries of consent lie. You act as if these things are universals that everyone agrees on. They're absolutely not.
>Theist MORALITY everyone!
What does me stating that fact have to do with my morality? I just said that those are things that we'd BOTH find morally repugnant.
>Slavery and child rape are perfectly functional apparently.
Yes? Entire civilizations had both of those things and they worked perfectly fine for centuries. That doesn't mean it was ok, just that, as I said, morality is not necessary for having a functional society. All you really need is for the majority of the society to be on the same page and agree on certain norms, the actual content of such norms varies greatly though.
>If morals evolve and improve, then judging past christian atrocities is valid.
Well no, because IF morality evolves, then the people of that time were simply following the morality at the stage at which it was during their lifetimes. They couldn't have followed a greater morality than that which was available to them at the time.

>>18246756
That is the mind of theist, lmao.

> Allah is good because we RAPE women.

That's why we need atheism, where is God there is rape.

>>18246768
>That is the mind of theist
Not all theists are Muslims you retard.

>>18246768
You need Christianity. You chose Islam, Atheism, and LGBT and that's why Europe is falling.

>>18246767
> Entire civilizations had both of those things and they worked perfectly fine for centuries.
Child rape and slavery are perfectly fine according to you??? Your god is either evil, imaginary, powerless or all the above.

>IF morality evolves, then the people of that time were simply following the morality at the stage
Your whole cope falls apart because abolitionists and reformers EXISTED IN THOSE SOCIETIES. They had the greater morality you claim is impossible without God (it was not!).

>>18246766
>you hate bugs anon, anon, does that mean you want to fuck them?
Didn’t say you were a fag. Just why is it the defining moral of your LARP? This is practically a new religion at this point.

>>18246776
>Child rape and slavery are perfectly fine according to you???
No?
>Your whole cope falls apart because abolitionists and reformers EXISTED IN THOSE SOCIETIES.
Which were mostly Christians, by they way. I guess you should thank Christian thinkers and activists for such moral progress.

>>18246770
There is no difference between Muslims and chrisian conservatives (white sharia).
>>18246772
> You chose Islam
Why didn't you? There is no atheism or LGBT under sharia.
Seems like fitting lifestyle to people like you. Praise allah if you like God so much.

>>18246778
> I guess you should thank Christian thinkers and activists for such moral progress.
So... why couldn't so-called Christians figure out that these things were bad from the very beginning? Aren't they supposed to have perfect, God-given, objective morality?

>>18246781
>There is no difference between Muslims and chrisian conservatives (white sharia).
According to the Quran a man is allowed to beat his wife, according to the Bible he isn't.

>>18246784
So you are suddenly side with woke feminists now?

>>18246776
why do atheists think about children having sex?
>>18246777
>being christian is a larp
father forgive them
>>18246781
saudis and afghnis have cultures around raaping boys you pedophile sodomite this website is fucking liberal shithole now

>>18246783
>So... why couldn't so-called Christians figure out that these things were bad from the very beginning?
The entirety of the abolitionist movement in the West came from Christians. It was Christians who ended slavery.
> Aren't they supposed to have perfect, God-given, objective morality?
Just because God gives you perfect morality doesn't mean that one has the capacity to follow such morality perfectly.
>>18246787
>So you are suddenly side with woke feminists now?
No? I just follow the Bible. The Bible also says that women ought to be quiet in church, are not allowed to have positions of authority in the church, and that wives must submit to their husbands.

>>18246784
How is choosing what religion to follow based on your preferences different from just choosing how to act based on your preferences?

>>18246788
> saudis and afghanis
yeah... famous godless atheist nations

Atheists control the world. God does not exist and no amount of rage and posting stupid shit on 4chan is going to change the way reality works.
You will never have a great religious revival at this point in human history. The reality of the nonexistence of God and the truth of Materialism and Scientific knowledge has utterly destroyed the super-naturalist and religious mindset. The only people who cling to it are cowards and retards. We are only a few years away from machines surpassing humans in all respects and at that point it's completely over.

>>18246792
>How is choosing what religion to follow based on your preferences different from just choosing how to act based on your preferences?
I don't know, I don't do that. I'm not Christian because of my preferences, but simply because I believe it to be true. If I was given evidence that Islam was the one true religion, I'd become Muslim.

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>>18246788
>this website is fucking liberal shithole now
This website was made because a 15 year old got kicked off of another forum for masturbating to loli porn.

>>18246797
and websites can change once we ban the homosexuals from the website but who are we kidding? most of the real anons left for kiwifarms

Jesus did not rise from the dead and jesus is never coming back.

>>18246791
> came from Christians
The entire institution of slavery came from them, too. And no amount of Bible reading helped them make the simple moral choice to not enslave millions of African-Americans. Why do we even need God if His followers couldn't see that slavery was wrong? Admit it christians, your so-called objective moral truths are too hard for you and God himself didn't even help you stop slavery.

>>18246806
>The entire institution of slavery came from them, too.
.......I'm pretty sure that slavery wasn't invented by Christians anon.......
>And no amount of Bible reading helped them make the simple moral choice
Well it's very simple: what is the greatest commandent according to Christ? To love the Lord our God with all our heart and above all things, and to love our neighbor as ourselves. None of us want to be enslaved, so we don't enslave others, like wise if we were enslaved, we'd want to be freed, so we free others.

Simple.

Atheists can't make this simple moral calculation based on their atheism.

>>18246812
Nta, to me it seems like you're treating moral systems as a debate topic rather than a practical thing.

>the only reason I'm not constantly getting fucked in the ass is because my imaginary friend told me it was wrong
why are Christians incapable of shaming atheists for "lack of morality" without self-reporting

>>18246816
>to me it seems like you're treating moral systems as a debate topic
.........we are in a debate........

>>18246827
Even that strawman can be said to have moral conviction, the atheist has none and cannot claim one.

>>18246828
Yeah but I'm talking about what importance you assign to certain features of moral systems, stuff like that. Surely the most important features should be things that actually affect how people act irl.

>>18246709
Atheists have lower rates of depression and better mental health, they do not have bigger rates of depression or suicide.

>>18246827
Why are atheists obsessed with fantasizing about Christians having gay sex?

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>>18246835
>Surely the most important features should be things that actually affect how people act irl.
But we have to establish how we measure such effects and actions first.

>>18246836
Then why are atheists so obsessed with voting in pro-suicide stances and pro-child murder policies? Atheists don't care about moral framework when they support men fucking men in the streets in front of your white children.
>>18246839
Bullshit. You're a liar like all atheists.

>>18246839
this proves the antichrist will be ai and the false prophet will be the ai ceo

>>18246839
Most atheists are weak atheists, that's why they have such high rates of depression. Most atheists are not militant who feel like they're on a mission to destroy religion (which are the ones most people dislike, just like overzealous religious preachers). Most are passive.

>>18246841
I didn't make the data, I'm just telling you how it is.
God isn't real, atheists are not depressed, Jesus did not rise from the dead and Jesus is never, ever coming back.
I'm sorry you can't accept reality. There will never, ever be a great christian or religious revival. Atheism continues to grow faster than any religion. There will be no christians and only atheists in the near future.

>>18246840
I'm not even talking about whether an effect is good or bad, I'm rather talking about whether there is an effect at all.

>>18246827
Where is self-report? I just know that without Jesus, my own thoughts would be very gay, very often. I am glad He protects me from taking it up the ass, because He shows what is wrong. So it's simple: without Him, we would all be doing that. That's why we need God's rules for morality. Pray the gay away, godspeed.

>>18246843
>Passive atheist
Explain why janitors ban chistian anons at a higher rate. Explain why Christians are accused of hate speech and were arrested during lockdowns?
>>18246844
Explain why zoomers in the US are embracing religion without being mad.

>>18246846
>I'm rather talking about whether there is an effect at all.
....ok but if there's no effect then there's no moral consideration to discuss. Obivously we're talking about things that do affect people and have moral considerations.

>>18246848
>Explain why janitors ban chistian anons at a higher rate.
They do? Source?
>Explain why Christians are accused of hate speech and were arrested during lockdowns?
Because people with strong convictions tend to speak their mind regardless of the consequences.

>>18246849
A lot of the autistic shit you're talking about has no actual impact on how people act irl.

>>18246851
>Because people with strong convictions tend to speak their mind regardless of the consequences.
So you support Christians being arrested, you stasi faggot.

>>18246848
> why zoomers in the US are embracing religion
To ruin it from the inside like all the other cool things they embraced?

>>18246854
Wrong. Zoomer men are the most anti-lgbt in history

>>18246848
>Explain why zoomers in the US are embracing religion without being mad.
They aren't, this is a lie that comes from one document called "the quiet revival" which showed church attendance in the UK went up from 8% to 12%. Overall, atheism continues to grow faster than any religion, and gen Z is the most atheistic generation ever.

>>18246853
>So you support Christians being arrested
Sounds better than being an weak atheist with no convictions who's afraid of the consequences and just lowers his head.

>>18246858
Gen Z is literally the gayest generation in history.

>>18246858
That's just self-hate, most of them are womenless mysandrist types (sign of being gay btw).

>>18246852
You think people can't just engage in debate for its own sake?

>>18246865
What's you agenda in that so-called debate? Why are you shilling for the certain narrative?

>>18246860
British people are subhumans who allow mudslimes in. In America, we are becoming Christian.
>>18246861
Thank you for proving atheists lack all morals! I hope you burn in Hell.

>>18246867
>What's you agenda in that so-called debate?
Defending my faith against atheist slander.
>hy are you shilling for the certain narrative?
Because I believe it to be true.
>>18246868
>Thank you for proving atheists lack all morals! I hope you burn in Hell.
.......ok

>>18246865
I'm not aware of me saying there is some sort of mystical force preventing people from debating for the sake of debating.
All I'm saying is that your debate is self-referential. You're debating things that only matter in debate and not irl.
>inb4 BuT i Am DeBaTiNg??
You could debate things that matter irl. The debate format doesn't in any way commit you to focusing on things that don't matter irl, that's a deliberate choice you're making.

>>18246868
>British people are subhumans who allow mudslimes in. In America, we are becoming Christian.
For every 1 convert there are 6 apostates in christianity in america
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/03/26/around-the-world-many-people-are-leaving-their-childhood-religions/
https://www.pewresearch.org/religion/2025/02/26/age-race-education-and-other-demographic-traits-of-us-religious-groups/

>>18246879
>You're debating things that only matter in debate and not irl.
I'd say that morality does matter irl, anon.

>>18246882
Why are you being dishonest? Is that a commandment of yours? I've been quite clear from the start that I'm talking about you focusing on those features of moral systems that do not affect anything irl. I never said that moral systems themselves do not matter irl.

>>18246885
>I've been quite clear from the start that I'm talking about you focusing on those features of moral systems that do not affect anything irl.
Stop telling me what to focus on, anon. I'll debate what I'll see fit, not you.

>>18246886
I know that you'll debate things which don't affect anything irl, I'm just pointing it out.

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>>18246622
most degeneracy is done by devout clergy anyway, check the headlines

>>18246891
Debate matters no matter what.

atheist moral is correct

>>18247421
>atheist moral
No such thing.

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>>18246622
The meaningful life of sharting nonsense from your mouth over 4chan is not as riveting as my experience of "pick pistol, shoot at being of horror from another dimension, but we shall see"