Does Schopenhauer's reasoning against suicide feel like bullshit to anyone else? Sure, suicide is an act and affirmation of the will because it is your striving to escape suffering being carried out, but after that, you're fucking gone, there is no more subject for the will to attach to. Even if suicide is willful, what it brings about is will-less. So maybe the will peaks in this final act, but after that it's just pure stillness for the rest of eternity, which is exactly what Schopenhauer wants. So given Schopenhauerian pessimism, why not kill yourself?
>>18246926not everyone is an atheist like you OP
>>18246927I'm taking Schopenhauer's worldview as a given for asking this question, even if you don't accept that worldview at least consider the counterfactual case for the sake of what I'm asking.
>>18246926the will's willing the will's will is an absurdity
>>18246926>given Schopenhauerian pessimism, why not kill yourself?You could say Schopenhauer's entire moral doctrine consists in doing anything but that, given the intrinsically hopeless nature of existence as we know it.
>>18246926it's just ontological gymnastics to avoid advocating for suicide because it'd ruin his reputation as a serious philosopher
>>18246926>suicide is an act and affirmation of the willSimple as. Real denial of the will is far more subtle than becoming an hero
>>18246926You're missing what Schopenhauer sees as the crucial distinction between negation and annihilation of the will. For Schopenhauer the goal isn't simply to stop existing, that's just destroying one manifestation of the will while the will itself remains metaphysically intact continuing to objectify itself in countless other beings. Suicide actually demonstrates you're still enslaved to the will because you're so desperate to escape suffering that you're willing to commit violence against yourself, which is precisely the will's nature expressing itself. The Schopenhauerian ideal is the mystical state of will-negation achieved while living through asceticism, compassion, and aesthetic experience, where you see through the illusion of individuation and stop caring about your own wants and fears. It's the difference between smashing your TV because you hate what's on versus achieving a state where the TV's content no longer has power over you. Death might silence your individual expression of suffering, but you've accomplished nothing philosophically meaningful, you've just removed yourself from the game without understanding why the game exists or transcending your attachment to it.
>entire philosophy preaches the supremacy of the intellect over the will >guys why does schopenhauer not advocate for indulging the will
>>18246926No. Suicide doesn't change anything. Stop being self-centered.
>>18246926I felt the same thing as I was reading the Book 4 of his World as will, It felt as if he was avoiding suicide, As it is naturally the ultimate solution for his concept of the will to live, and he tried to provide an alternative solution for the will to live by not interacting with it, But here I believe he just started to pussy out from his concept which overpowered him... He knows that suicide is the ultimate solution and that Death is a negation of the will to live and that meanings do not continue after life, But i believe he did not want to ruin his chances of not being an established writer.And I believe Mainlander is the true continuation of Schopenhauer.
>>18246933I don't think so, You're giving a narrative to the will to live and giving it more power than it has, This is just a premordial concept of the wholeness which Schopenhauer was still influenced by from the Buddhists, You can't make an example of life by TV, Even if it was just for demonstration, You don't know the thing in itself and for sure the will to live does not exceed the present and escaping it is negating the will to live and all of this concepts are just human speculation of a rigid secular causality that if it turns 0.1%, It'll shatter every concept built in the world.So it's just a narrative and Schopenhauer was aware of this narrative and he was overpowered by his concept.
>>18246926His whole system is literally the will's ultimate cope. It engineered a philosophical trap to keep its host alive even while preaching despair. Suicide is the ONE escape, so it gaslights you with (((the paradox))) that wanting to escape proves you're still trapped. It's the will's immune system. The thought —killing myself is still the will— is the final antibody it fires. You beat the game by refusing to play, which includes refusing its rule that refusing is still playing. Absolute checkmate, but you have to be gone to realize it.
>>18246958Why though? Allah wants you to exist for a reason. Numbers confirm.
>>18246960We are a rounding error in a divine calculation that overflowed.
>>18246958Its not a paradox, retard, its the the truth. "wanting" to "escape" literally proves you are still trapped. Will to death is still will. you haven't refused shit
