>vikings>normans>anglosdid these people have a submission kink?
Nice annexed chunk in the north-east. ;)
why do they larp about le 800 years of resistance when they only started in the tudor era and irish nationalism was developed by british anglo protestant whigs in the 1700s?
>>18247631Islands are not easily defensible if you don't have a strong navy.
>>18247673600 years of willing servitude doesn't sound as nice
>>18247631Vikings and Normans never conquered Ireland. Took the English a 60 year long campaign to bring Ireland under their rule in the late 1500s and there was still major wars in the 1600s with the Irish trying to recover what was lost. How is that submissive?
>>18247758>"""celtic""" admixture in britain>despite the fact that none of those people cluster with central european proto celtsLMAO
>>18247777Friendly reminder that Southern Germans are ten times more genetically celtic than Irish people are.
>>18247784>>18247777Continental Celts and Insular Celts are pretty much two different people, the Insular Celts most likely were Bronze Age natives that gradually absorbed some La Tene influences from trade and migrations from the mainland
>>18247777>>18247784>pic in the anon's post outlines that terms like "Celtic" can mean different things in different contexts, goes on to define "Cetic" as Iron Age British/Irish ancestry>(You): *autistic haplojeet screeching about we wuz da tru keltz n shit*Why are you like this?
>>18247792>goes on to define "Cetic" in one specific instance as relating to Iron Age British/Irish ancestry*
>>18247792So why are Bell Beakers celtic when they adopt celtic culture? Do they immediatly become genetically celtic despite sharing genes with north europeans and not with central europeans?Are columbians genetically iberian because they speak spanish? are jamaicans genetically anglo saxon because they speak english?
>>18247631you wanna fight you pasty newt?
>>18247758>Vikings and Normans never conquered IrelandDublin is a viking city and normans conquered most of ireland ruled ithttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Irish
>>18247801>more incoherent haplojeet screechingWhat specifically is it that makes you 'crash out' like this about that? It limited its definiton of "celtic" to simply defining it as iron age british/irish ancestry while acknowledging that the term can mean different things in different contexts.It's like you're intentionally making yourself upset about this shit.
>>18247807>Irish calling anyone else pastylol
>>18247812Are Columbians genetically spanish? yes or no? Why do you have so much difficulty answering this question?The average columbian has more dna from spanish settlers than the average irishman does from celts from continental europe. LMAO
>>18247673>the Irish thought they could be aboriginals or sioux indians before 18th century whigs told them they were irish
>>18247819>Keep in mind that the terms "Celtic", "Germanic" and even "French can mean different things in different contexts.>What is called "Celtic" on here is defined as Iron Age British & Irish ancestry>(You): Autistic screeching about spanish columbians o algoYou'll give yourself a pants-shitting stroke if you keep this up anon
>>18247792>Why are you like this?It's cope for him not being an Anglo Saxon or Germanic
>>18247809Theres nothing of viking Dublin left. It was the Normans/English who left more an impact. Ireland wasn't conquered by Normans either and most the country was never under Norman rule. The Irish were able to push them out of areas and take town and castles and defeat Normans in battle unlike the English.
>>18247824Was it the Irish that gave you schizophrenia? Lol
>>18247921>Theres nothing of viking Dublin left.Lmao. Vikings ruled dublin and raided the rest of ireland for centuries. >Ireland wasn't conquered by Normans either and most the country was never under Norman rule.What a pathetic cope. Most of the ireland was conquered by the normans.
>we weren't conqueredWhere do these delusions come from?
>>18247944>Lmao. Vikings ruled dublin and raided the rest of ireland for centuries.Did I say they didn't? Go back and read my comment and what I replied to. To say Dublin is a viking city is retarded considering nothing is left of them and it was the Normans/English who left the biggest mark on that place. >>18247957
>>18247965>still holds half the island in 1450Normans conquered the the island in the 1170s.
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>>18247965>To say Dublin is a viking city is retarded considering nothing is left of themThat's a pretty retarded way of looking at things. Of course wooden structures didnt survive. The Vikings conquered the area and founded dublin and became the richest group in ireland by establishing and controlling trade routes. Control of Dublin was what politics revolved around in ireland for over 200 years.
>>18247976That's still almost one half of the island. Also since you keep posting 50 year intervals keep going
>>18247990Theres not many maps. This is the only other I could find and it just represents the Irish alliance in the 9 years War against Elizabethan England.
>>18247917Says the one coping for not being celtic.England's least anglo saxon regions are still ten times more anglo saxon than ireland is celtic
>>18247777There is plenty of Continental Celtic/Proto-Celtic Admixture in Britain, a wave of Knoviz-like Admixture, you can model IA Brits as Knoviz + British MBA.The model i am showing is a bit on the heavier side of Proto-Celtic Admixture in Britain because it is England IA, but Ireland IA should be around a quarter Celtic.
>>18248518I don't give a fuck about Celtic stuff though. You will never be an Anglo Saxon because anglo Saxons don't exist. You're just some predominantly Brythonic Briton larping as your conquers. Sad!
>another day>another thread of people seething about the irishAh, sure look.>VikingsFailed in Ireland where they succeeded in England; unable to conquer land, they instead made their own settlements and inserted themselves into local politics.The "Norse" of Ireland were completely assimilated by the end of the 10th Century, with most major Norse longports or settlements having been annexed or sacked multiple times by that point.>NormansSimilar to the above, except the new divide became Normans who were assimilated and Normans who tried to retain strong ties to England for their own benefit-there were some who did both, like the FitzGeralds.In the end, they were likewise largely assimilated and otherwised by England.>AnglosThe actual "conquering of Ireland" was done by the Tudors. They consolidated their rule over the island in the early 17th Century after a narrow victory in the disasterous few years struggling to deal with the alliance lead by Hugh O'Neill.>submission kinkUntil the eventual victory by the Tudors, it was never "Ireland vs England" but instead England vs whatever small individual kingdoms or tribes they were warring. When faced with even a semi-united front (in the case of the initial Norman Invasion, or in the Nine Years War) they often found quite a challenge.Not that it matters, because this thread (like the trillion others that screaming faggots from /pol/ and /int/ make to cry about Ireland) has nothing to do with history, and instead is just their daily spergout. /his/ goes another day suffering from Ireland Derangement Syndrome.
>>18247673This poster is a seething spammer who's grasp on Irish history is pulled almost entirely off what he reads on 4chan.>>18247809The area which is now Dublin was settled for centuries prior to the arrival of the Vikings,and its from a religious settlement that the name Dublin comes from. The Vikings founded a base and port which grew rapidly in size due to commerce, and absorbed the surrounding area. This early city was conquered by the Gaels multiple times and only became really noted as a potential true "capital" of Ireland by a High King that came *after* the end of the Viking Age.>>18247944>Vikings ruled DublinSee above.>What a pathetic cope. Most of the ireland was conquered by the normans.The borders of the Lordship of Ireland shifted constantly and many of the "Norman Lands" were immediately retaken by the Gaels. There was never a "Norman Ireland" where most of the island was under Norman English rule.>>18247957Much of the land in this map (in particular the west and south) was ruled by Normans who had been assimilated into Irish society and operated more or less outside of the Lordship of Ireland's jurisdiction. 1300 is a particularly silly year to post given that it was in the 1290s that the Lordship began to famously fall apart due to attacks by the Gaels.>>18247968No, they didn't. They were able to retain the handful of cities they seized on the eastern coast. The "1170s" quite literally saw Ireland "divided" (by a Treaty which was almost immediately abandoned) into land held by English lords and land not held by them.>>18247986See above.I think you guys need to stop taking history from Wikipedia or social media or wherever you are pulling this pop-quiz esque stuff from.
