>>18247731
One essence.
Three persons.
Each one's identity is exclusively in relation to each other.

Simple.

>>18247736
Does person here mean person in the regular sense? A person = a will/intellect/mind so God is three wills/intellect/minds.

>>18247741
>A person = a will/intellect/mind
That's not what a person is, there are persons who don't have will, intellect or mind, the thing that makes someone a person is agency and identity, the three persons of the Trinity are united in agency, while their idenitities are three and dependent upon each other.

>>18247741
God has/had a very direct hand in each of these three coming to be. In turn they themselves are extensions of God himself.

>>18247746
>That's not what a person is
That's how I know the term person. What definition are you using?

>>18247731
Bunch of nonsense is what it is

>>18247731
You can't describe it in any way other than the Nicene Creed or It's heresy

>>18247752
NTA, but the proper definition is the Greek word "prosopon". The reason we use person in English is because the west used the Latin word "persona."
In pre-theological usage, prosopon was used to describe masks that actors would use in Greek theater. Theological works use the word to indicate that the three prosopons of the Trinity were outward earthly representations to the unknowable divine essence.

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>>18247731
>Okay but how does this work really?

>>18247817
>those born of the spirit form the body of christ
I thought christ was the only begotten son? How can random people form the body of christ, makes zero sense lunatic

>>18247731
It doesn't, the people who came up with it just needed an explanation why worshipping Jesus wasn't worshipping another Deity.

>>18247826
John 3:5
1 Corinthians 12:27

spiration of perichoresis

>>18247731
it doesnt.
the entire concept of the trinity is cope
of the 3 you can pick any 2 to be 100% true and it makes perfect sense
with 3 its impossible for it to be true
but the reason why there is 3 is a test.
if you can cope well enough and just accept it blindly you pass and become part of the collective.
its why its part of the fundamental beliefs.

>>18247731
Three Whos (conscious subjects) but one What (divine being). Not 1+1+1=1, but 1x1x1=1.

THREE DISTINCT LEAVES, ONE CLOVER.

The Trinity is nonsense.
BS made up by priests.
Don't bother looking into it.
The rise of Islam was simply people rebelling against Trinitarian nonsensical dogma

>>18247731

>humans have a body
>Nervous system is the body but it is not the cardiovascular system
>Cardiovascular system is the body but it is not the respiratory system
>Respiratory system is the body but it not the nervous system

To be fair you have to have a very high IQ to do basic logical thinking

>>18248572
That's partialism and HERESY!

>>18247731
Three separate individuals, one collective goal and mission. They act together, but are 3 distinct individuals. Got the father, his son Jesus Christ, and the holy spirit.

>>18247731
>how does this work really?
Nobody knows and those who do cannot seem to put it into words. You have to be okay with this being the final answer.

>>18248661
That's partialism

>>18248661
This would imply that each person is a *part* of God, which the trinity rejects. Each person is fully and entirely God.

>>18248730
>Nobody knows
I do.
>those who do cannot seem to put it into words.
I did. >>18247817

It isnt complicated.

>>18248787
You really don't.

>>18248788
Oh fuck off, you are just desperate to kill Christ, or prevent the next resurrection.

>>18248799
Anon, idk what kind of headcanon you're running on, but the Trinity isn't about people born of the Spirit in comic sans. The Trinity is one God in three persons. There is a bit more elaboration than that in Christianity, but at the end of the day it is a mystery how the Trinity in itself works.

>>18248803
>mystery
i.e "it's not polytheism because... it just isn't"

Christians LARPing as scientists and philosophers will never not be funny

>>18248809
Because it's one God.

>>18248813
Most Nobel Prize laureates being Christian will never not be painful to you.

>>18248819
>it's one God but also each of them is God in his entirety and it's heresy to say they're just parts
>doesn't make sense but it's a mystery so it doesn't count as polytheism teehee

>>18248827
>each of them is God
The same God.
> it's a mystery so it doesn't count as polytheism
Because it's one God. See above.

>>18248599
>Islam
Islamists are polytheistic, because they don't understand how three persons can share the same Theos. Allah is not something that can be understood, and so they all believe in something different. They are all infidels, because Allah is unknowable. They all just lie to the strongest men, because of taqiyya, so that even the strongest men among them don't really know what anyone around them truly believes. It's a religion of many gods.

>>18248830
Your shit falls apart the moment you reject partialism. It's polytheism disguised as "mystery". Cope.

>>18248837
>one God
>polytheism
Clearly.

>>18248819
>it's one God
Correct, as explained here >>18247817 1 Corinthians 12:27

Denying Christ is jewish subversive poison because salvation is only found in Christ. Romans 6:32

>>18248840
It's amazing how discourse with Christians is them pretending not to understand things, thus making discourse impossible.

>>18248849
You're not misunderstood. You're wrong.

>>18248858
Why is there a mystery? It's one God right? What about it eludes human comprehension?

>>18248862
One God in three persons, yes. The part that eludes comprehension is the "One God in three persons". Not "One God", not "three persons", but the whole thing at once. It is a mystery because we don't routinely experience personhood on Earth in this way, so we don't really have much understanding to start off with. And we don't directly experience divinity much either.

>>18248865
Exactly, your "mysery" is cope for de facto polytheism.

>>18248599
>Islam was simply people rebelling against Trinitarian nonsensical dogma
nah it was more a kind of persianized judaism that was swirling around between merchants and warlords and rose because of the exhausted state of other empires in the region.
the trinitarians of the western roman remnants weren't a major concern

>>18248870
If you're satisfied with one-god-polytheism being your final argument, so am I. Good talk. For me.

>>18248837
The humanity of Jesus is partialism. However, Jesus has two natures. Allah is also limited by a veil. If he were to remove it, the glory of His Face would burn everything of His creation, as far as its gaze reaches.

>>18247731
>how does this work?
Through us.
Pick up your mat and walk.
Faith without works is dead.

Defend the weak and the fatherless;
uphold the cause of the poor and the oppressed.
Rescue the weak and the needy;
deliver them from the hand of the wicked.

>>18248555
okay but 1x1x1x1 also equals 1
in fact any number of 1s each multiplied by the other still = 1
so like what the fuck faggot

>>18247736
Define essence. Define person.

>>18249228
Essence is the core identity of a being. A person cannot be defnied.

The Trinity is a symbolic revelation of Gods differentiated Unity.

Since God exists beyond all creation, there is no father, no son, and no spirit, but in the realm of creation God appears as three persons with individual distinction and autonomy but united completely in one essence.

We are called to be in Union with others without suffering any loss of our individual personalities, and through Jesus we are called to that same Union with the Trinity.

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>>18248783
>each person is a *part* of God
Those born of the Spirit (John 3:5) can be a part of the salvation found in Christ.

>>18249263
>one identity
Father = Son = Spirit
Heresy. Enjoy hell.

>>18249326
Enjoy learning how to read.

>>18247736
OP is probably a troll, but to those who are implied "materialists," the Trinity explains and implies how God WORKS through time and place.
Most people leave this out.

>>18249333
>Trinity explains and implies how God WORKS through time and place
It explicitly states the Son was begotten before creation (aka time and place).

>>18249331
I enjoyed that decades ago while you were "it's 3 but 1 and different but the same and 1 god but 3 persons that are different but eq... WHATEVER JUST SHUT UP AND NOD OR ELSE MAGIC LAVA"ing your way into the bottom IQ percentile.

>>18249335
No,
To YOU, a human, to make some sense of God, the Creator
The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit ACTED AND ACTS in a particular time and place.

They are God and of God at the same time, and since God created Time, by definition - eternal.

>>18249338
Fuck you too

>>18249338
Clearly.

>>18249339
>The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit ACTED AND ACTS in a particular time and place.
Yes, that is the meaning of "acting" for the most part. However, this isn't what I was addressing. I was addressing this claim you made:
>>> Trinity explains and implies how God WORKS through time and place
This is false. If time had never existed, Trinity would still be true.

>>18249344
>If Creation had never existed, the Trinity would still be True.
Basically, yes, since God is eternal by definition.
But it is more my explanation for people to understand the logic of the Trinity,

>>18249349
Ah ok, I'm glad we agree. Because from my first reading what you wrote sounded like modalism of some kind.

>>18247731
>How does this work, sincerely, and I am not yet another (((troll)))?

>>18249339

>>18248661
>Cardiovascular system is the body
no it fucking isnt you actual pseud

>>18248822
>Nobel Prize
of what?
a baby can win a Nobel prize if they get enough votes.
is a popularity contest like everything else.

God is like a carpenter
The Son, The Father, the Holy Spirit the tools of manifestation

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>>18247731
just stealing pagan Trinitarianism and giving a face lift to Judaic monotheism. Its from the same people that decided Mary could be "venerated" but its totally not a godess cult fellas

>>18250041
cope

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>>18247731
some shit they made up to try to look as cool as the neo platonist of the time

>>18250046
>words like veneration don't have specific meanings, so i just pull weal analogies out of my ass.
fuck off.

>>18250058
>Figuring out a functional form is like making shit up

Fuck off (((Platonist)))

>>18250101
you know everything is made up that we all agree is true right anon?

>>18250106
No, obviously not, as far as people are concerned.

>>18250110
>No
oh, well it is true. so i hope i helped you understand life a bit better :)