>>18247979
Sounds like a Muslim talking about the Curan.
Did God have the KJV Bible written in Heaven and then literally dictate it to the KJ translators?

>>18247979
The King James version can't even properly translate the Lord's prayer from Greek.

>>18248014
>>18248025
>I'M STUPID
Cool! This thread isn't for you. :D

>>18247979
Elaborate

>>18248070
He can't

>>18248070
The King James Bible is the infallible word of God in English. Therefore, however contentious other history books may or may not be we know for sure that the event in the KJV happened exactly as described. Too, we have access to the exact motivations of the characters in these stories which can inform our analysis of characters in non-Biblical stories. As such we can throw out tons of fake history, for example everything that purports to describe events that happened before creation roughly 6200 years ago.

>>18248091
I have a quesiton about 6000 year old Earth? Does it account for the time Adam spent in Eden?
Is it 6000 years old since God created everything, or 6000 years old since Adam fell, is basically my question

>>18248105
It's based on how old Adam was when he begot Seth:

Adam (130 years) + Seth (105) + Enos (90) + Cainan (70) + Mahalaleel (65) + Jared (162) + Enoch (65) + Methuselah (187) + Lamech (182) = 1,056 years from creation until Noah's birth.
Noah was 600 when the flood started.
Two years after the flood, Arphaxad was born: Shem (2) + Arphaxad (35) + Salah (30) + Eber (34) + Peleg (30) + Reu (32) + Serug (30) + Nahor (29) = 222 years.
Nahor begat Terah, who begat Abraham. Terah died at 205 at which time Abraham was 75 => Terah begat Abram after 130 years.
Abraham (100) + Isaac (60) = 160
Jacob was 130 years old when the children of Israel began to sojourn in the land of Egypt.
Israelites left Egypt after 430 years to the day.
The temple was constructed 480 years later.
At this time, Solomon had already reigned 4 years. He reigned for 40 years total. Using reigns of kings instead of births we can see:
Solomon (40 - 4) + Rehoboam (17) + Abijah (3) + Asa (41) + Jehoshaphat (25) + Jehoram (8) + Ahaziah (1) + Athaliah (7) + Joash (40) + Amaziah (29) + Uzziah (52) + Jotham (16) + Ahaz (16) + Hezekiah (29) + Manasseh (55) + Amon (2) + Josiah (31) + Jehoahaz (3 months) + Jehoiakim (11) + Jehoiachin (3 months) = 419.5 years
Beginning of Babylonian captivity to King Cyrus' Reign = 70 years.
This is where modern history picks up, so we know that Cyrus began reigning in 536 BC.
That was a lot of work, but now the rest is easy:
536 + 70 + 419.5 + 480 + 430 + 130 + 160 + 130 + 222 + 600 + 1056 = 4233.5. Rounding up, we can say that the earth was created in the year 4234 BC. This could be off by a couple of years, since the reigns and the births given aren't calculated to the day, and there is some dispute about the exact year King Cyrus began to reign. However, these differences couldn't account for more than a decade or two.
It's currently 2025, which means that the earth is:

6,259 years old.

>>18248119
So it was 130 years after the fall that Adam had Seth, or 130 years from Creation?

Also, the Bible lists at what age each person had their son? Didn't know that. Or does it just list the age people died? I see it listed at what age Adam had Seth, but it also lists all the others?

>>18248127
Adam was 130 years old. What part of that don't you understand?

>>18248128
Just wondering if his age was counted since he was created, or since he fell from Eden. Because he didn't age in Eden, correct?

And I didn't know the Bible listed specifically at which age the people had their first sons, just thought it listed their full age. Pretty complete uh

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>>18248119
>Adam (130 years) + Seth (105) + Enos (90) + Cainan (70) + Mahalaleel (65) + Jared (162) + Enoch (65) + Methuselah (187) + Lamech (182) = 1,056 years from creation until Noah's birth.
It could be between 1056 years exactly and 1056 + 9 years - 9 days, at the most, since Adam for instance could have had Seth anywhere from the day he turned 130 to the day before he turned 131 years old. So you add 9 years minus 9 days of possible extra time.

>Noah was 600 when the flood started.
This one is exact according to the text of Genesis.

>Two years after the flood, Arphaxad was born: Shem (2)
Noah was 600 when the flood started, but you didn't count the time between when the flood started and the day it ended. Depending on whether this counts from when the rain stopped until when they got out, this extra time could be between 40 days to 1 year and 10 days by my understanding. Only then do you start counting the 2 years (and again, another unknown number of days up to 11 months and 29 days) to add more possible extra time.

>Arphaxad (35) + Salah (30) + Eber (34) + Peleg (30) + Reu (32) + Serug (30) + Nahor (29)
Seven more time periods of up to 1 year minus 1 day of possible extra time added for each one.

The absolute minimum time would seem to be 1656 + 40 days + 222 years = 1878 years + 40 days.

The maximum allowable time would be 17 years minus 17 days plus (1 year + 10 days - 40 days) longer than that. Or 1896 years - 7 days total.

This is quite significant as it represents a potential of nearly two decades longer, however there are still a few more things to account for after this point as well. (1/?)

>>18248579
>Terah died at 205 at which time Abraham was 75 => Terah begat Abram after 130 years.
More specifically, Terah could be anywhere from exactly 205 years old to a day less than 206 on the day of his death, and on this same day, Abram could be anywhere from 75 years exactly to a day before turning 76.

Depending on how old Abram was at this time, AND how far into his 100th year he was when Isaac was born, the time from Terah's death to Isaac's birth could theoretically be a minimum of 24 years and 1 day (if Abram was 1 day short of 76 when Terah died and Isaac was born on Abraham's 100th birthday), up to 26 years minus one day (if Abram was exactly 75 when Terah died and Isaac wasn't born until the day before he turned 101).

Assuming the minimum time first, we see that the time between Terah's birth and Isaac's birth could be at a minimum (exactly 205 years) + 24 years + 1 day. Or it could be a maximum of (206 years minus 1 day) + 26 years minus 1 day.

>+ Isaac (60)
More specifically, sixty years minimum to sixty-one years minus one day maximum.
>Jacob was 130 years old when the children of Israel began to sojourn in the land of Egypt.
Same thing.

The minimum time thus far is: (1878 + 40 days) + (419 years + 1 day)
= 2297 years + 41 days

The maximum time likewise is the sum of the two maximums: (1896 years minus 7 days) + (424 years minus 4 days)
= 2320 years minus 11 days

>Israelites left Egypt after 430 years to the day.
This timespan is said to be exact to the day in the book of Exodus, so we add 430 to both values equally. The refutation of the claim that this part of the timeline is only 215 years seems to be by far the most complex part of this argument, but for now, as this is not being contested, we will take it for granted that this is the full 430 years as it says in Genesis (and also Galatians and elsewhere). (2/?)

>>18248581
>The temple was constructed 480 years later.
Technically, it was constructed in the 480th year since they had come out of Egypt. This would be 479 years and some number of months or days. A person does not turn N years old until they have completed their Nth year. If they are still in their Nth year, they are N-1 years old still.

Furthermore, the Israelites are said to have "come out of the land of Egypt" in Deut. 4:45-46 only after the 40 years in the wilderness, so you add on exactly 40 years. (For this see: Ex. 12:41, Gal. 3:17, Gen. 46:2-4; Deut. 4:45-46; Ex. 12:40, Deut. 1:3, Josh. 4:19, Josh. 5:11) Notice that the same root word יָצָא used twice in Deuteronomy 4:45-46 ("come forth") was used again in 1 Kings 6:1. This extra 40 years is also necessary for Paul's statement much later in Acts 13:20 to make sense, as well as making the timeline of Judges to have enough time for everything to happen before Samuel and Saul. Without this 40 extra years, Acts 13:20 becomes inaccurate. Furthermore, without these 40 years in the timeline, there is not enough time for the events of Judges to play out (see particularly Joshua 14:10 and Judges 11:25-26, as well as the sum of the judgeships from Othniel to Jephthah in Judges 11:25-26).

>>18248586
Furthermore, the exact time described by 1 Kings 6:1 can be narrowed down, since we happen to know that the Israelites entered Canaan on the 15th day of the 1st month, during Passover season of that year, and we know that Solomon began to build the temple on day 2 of month 2 (see 2 Chronicles 3:2). Thus, we know that we have exactly (479 years + 1 month minus 13 days) between the entering of Canaan and the day the temple began to be built in Solomon's 4th year. This would make it the "480th year" since Israel came forth from Egypt, since it had not been a full 480 years yet (otherwise it would then be "in the 481st year").

To get to the 2nd day of the 2nd month of Solomon's 4th year, we therefore bring both tallies forward by exactly 430 years + exactly 40 years + exactly (479 years, 1 month minus 13 days):

Minimum: 3246 years + 1 month, plus 28 days
Maximum: 3269 years + 1 month, minus 24 days
The "gap" is still exactly 23 years minus 52 days long, as the time windows added to both parts are exact.

To avoid adding unnecessary assumptions, years, months and days are not converted here. The old calendar was lunisolar and made use of intercalary months (an extra thirteenth month on some years, based on observed harvest cycles) which had to be done to make up for the fact that 12 months x 30 days is a full 5.24 days short of a year.

>>18248589
>At this time, Solomon had already reigned 4 years.
He was in his 4th year, so he had reigned 3 full years and change (the 4th year was not completed yet).

Fortunately, regnal years are counted precisely, since the "first year" of a person's reign begins at the first new year of the king's reign, resulting in much more exact counts moving forward as each "regnal year" is a unit that can only be assigned to one king and won't be shared (barring exceptions of reigns shorter than a year).

Solomon reigns the remainder of his 4th year, then reigns exactly 36 more years, which are assigned to him after that. In that 41st year (which was never completed) he died, meaning exactly 40 regnal years are assigned to him.

Thus, the first regnal year after Solomon died begins 36 years and some number of months and days later. We can simply add 37 years and subtract the 1 month and 1 day to get to day 1 of month 1.

Minimum: 3283 years, plus 27 days
Maximum: 3306 years, minus 25 days

The rest is pretty simple math, backed up by the prophecy in Ezekiel 4:5 which states that the time Jeroboam in the northern kingdom set up the golden calves until the destruction of Jerusalem was 390 years. This is because Ezekiel had to lay on one side for 390 days (which is more than a year in itself and creates some possible ambiguity).

Removing Solomon's already counted years and adding Zedekiah's extra 11 years until the temple was destroyed (which is historically known to be in 586 BC), we get:
>Rehoboam (17) + Abijah (3) + Asa (41) + Jehoshaphat (25) + Jehoram (8) + Ahaziah (1) + Athaliah (7) + Joash (40) + Amaziah (29) + Uzziah (52) + Jotham (16) + Ahaz (16) + Hezekiah (29) + Manasseh (55) + Amon (2) + Josiah (31) + Jehoahaz (3 months) + Jehoiakim (11) + Jehoiachin (3 months) + Zedekiah (11) = 394
You will notice that this is close to Ezekiel's 390 number in Ezekiel 4:5. However, a few corrections need to be made to this list, as largely copied from an anon's post. (5/?)

>>18248591
>Jehoram (8)
Jehoram of the southern kingdom is an exception to the pattern. His official co-reign began 4 years before his sole reign. This may be because of his father's poor health in the last four years. Compare to 2 Kings 8:16 to 2 Kings 9:29 (see chart) and note that Jehoshaphat is given 25 years, meaning this overlap is necessary. Note that Jehoram is the only king like this, so for our timeline Jehoram is only assigned 4 years of sole reign in regnal years, instead of 8. Other rulers do have co-reigns that are mentioned as well (sometimes they are the designated heir rather than actual co-ruler; Jehoram was this also, see 2 Kings 1:17 which is 3 years prior to 2 Kings 8:16), but those do not affect this timeline.

>Ahaziah (1) + Athaliah (7)
One other necessary change is that Ahaziah and Athaliah do not occupy 8 full years. Rather, Athaliah was killed "in the 7th year" (see 2 Chronicles 23:1) meaning these two put together occupy 7 regnal years, not 8.

Thus we have:

Rehoboam (17) + Abijah (3) + Asa (41) + Jehoshaphat (25) + Jehoram (4) + Ahaziah (1) + Athaliah (6) + Joash (40) + Amaziah (29) + Uzziah (52) + Jotham (16) + Ahaz (16) + Hezekiah (29) + Manasseh (55) + Amon (2) + Josiah (31) + Jehoahaz (3 months) + Jehoiakim (11) + Jehoiachin (3 months) + Zedekiah (11) = 389 years.

All that is left here is to account for the 3-month reigns, since by regnal year logic they can occupy either 0 or 1 regnal years, depending on if they span over a New Year in the calendar or not.

>>18248593
Fortunately, we can solve this by simply moving our historical "fixing point" further back in time before 586 BC, which is when the temple was destroyed at the end of Zedekiah's reign (and exactly 70 years before the second temple was fully completed in 516 BC during Darius' reign, see Ezra 6:15).

Jehoiachin was taken captive in the eighth year of Nebuchadnezzar according to 2 Kings 24:12. Logically then, exactly 7 years prior to this would have been during his first year. We know that Nebuchadnezzar's father died in August of 605, shortly after the Babylonians won the battle of Carchemish under Nebuchadnezzar's generalship. His first year would begin in 605 or 604 BC, depending on if you are counting New Year for Babylonian regnal years from the month Nisan or Tishri. Recall that the "first month" (Nisan or Abib) for the Israelites was changed in Exodus, as for most Mesopotamians Abib or Nisan was actually the seventh month (and the Israelites' seventh month would then be the original first month).

In any case, Nebuchadnezzar's first year was in 605/604 BC, which means his eighth year began seven years later in either 598 or 597 BC, and this is when Jehoiachin was taken prisoner.

We know more than this, though. Jehoiachin actually reigned for exactly 3 months and 10 days according to 2 Chronicles 36:9. And according to 2 Chronicles 36:10 and Ezekiel 40:1, Nebuchadnezzar "waited until the year was expired" before taking Jehoiachin captive. This means Jehoiachin occupies (1) year in the timeline, we can date this one regnal year as being the year that started in 597 BC, specifically in March/April, around the time of the Passover. That means Jehoiakim died 3 months and 10 days earlier than the date mentioned in Ezekiel 40:1 (10th day of 1st month), i.e. sometime in December 598 BC.

>>18248595
So, counting from Jehoiakim on back, we get:
Rehoboam (17) + Abijah (3) + Asa (41) + Jehoshaphat (25) + Jehoram (4) + Ahaziah (1) + Athaliah (6) + Joash (40) + Amaziah (29) + Uzziah (52) + Jotham (16) + Ahaz (16) + Hezekiah (29) + Manasseh (55) + Amon (2) + Josiah (31) + Jehoahaz (0 or 1) + Jehoiakim (11) = 378 or 379 years.

If Jehoiakim's 11th year began in 598 BC, his 1st year must begin in 608 BC.

This also corresponds with Daniel 1:1, which implies that Daniel was taken captive in Jehoiakim's third year. This would have to be 606 BC, which is exactly 70 years before Cyrus' reign in 536 BC. This is another 70 year period referred to as the "70 years of captivity." This time period starts about 20 years before Solomon's temple was destroyed at the end of Zedekiah's rule (586 - 516 BC). It is different than the "years of the captivity" referred to by Ezekiel however, as he counts from Jehoiachin's surrender nine years later in 597 BC instead of 606 BC.

>>18248597
Therefore, using the above list Rehoboam's reign started back in 975 BC (or 976, if Jehoahaz occupies 1 year instead of 0). Solomon's 40th year started the year before that, and his 4th year started in 1012 BC, so the temple construction began in April/May of 1012 BC, with an apparent uncertainty of one year, due to different possible rules for counting regnal years coming into play.

The beginning of that year would have been the previous month in March/April of 1012. Then we simply subtract that 1 month and 1 day from the earlier tally for Solomon's temple construction project.
Minimum: 3246 years, plus 27 days
Maximum: 3269 years, minus 25 days

Therefore, if you now round the remaining days up to one month in either direction, the year of Adam's creation using the received text would have to be "at least" February/March of 4258 BC and cannot possibly be later than that. But the timeframe could be as early as April/May 4281 BC using this logic. The truth likely is somewhere between these extremes. Hopefully all of that makes sense. (9/9)