I'm a Zoroastrian, and I think many "pagan" groups end up defining themselves in opposition to Christianity, purely that. This can be limiting and doesn't allow their own beliefs and practices to be presented autonomously, and I don't think a "belief system" that is solely restricted to ethnocentrism can fill the gaps in the search for any kind of transcendence.It's as if Christianity were the 'other' necessary to define their identity. Focusing on one's own beliefs and practices, instead of reacting to Christianity, could be more productive.In my opinion, the irony is that, by doing so, pagan groups may be reinforcing the centrality of Christianity in their own narrative, rather than focusing on their own beliefs and practices. It's as if Christianity were the 'other' necessary to define their own identity.
>>18248230>I'm a ZoroastrianWho do you think you are preaching what others feel about christianity? Your loser dog country Iran worships an arab dude as a god
>>18248230This year has been incredible gigakek E-pagans have gone so far that even atheists and people of somewhat irrelevant religions are seeing how retarded it's become bro that guy in your picture simp for people like Savitri Devi, like Who cares?
>This can be limitingRighteousness is never limiting
>>18248230>nothing newWe already know that, you don't really need to state something so obvious and go to the trouble of creating a thread like this. By the way, what branch of Zoroastrianism do you follow?
>>18248230contemporary zoroastrians are purely a made up cope just like neopagans are. both neopagans and zoroastrians are clinging on to relatively new literature because they refuse to accept that the last of the line of zoroastrian/pagan teachers were killed or forced to stop proselytizing in exchange to being spared.how you feel about that doesn't matter because your cope religions operate on new literature or written observations from imperial powers.>>18248236they don't worship an arab. no Muslim does. but shia deviates from traditional islam so much that it might as well be its own thing
>I'm a ZoroastrianNo, you're not. The religion forbids conversion.
>>18248257>The religion forbids conversionOnly the jeet variety does and no one cares what jeets think
>>18248250>they don't worship an arabIf Christcucks worship Rabbi Yeshua and Jewess Mary, then Iranians worship Sheikh Ali and Husayn
>>18248230The neopagans are not in an especially bad position relative to various other religions because many modern religions have also fallen away from the sources of their spirituality. The neopagans just want to reconstruct their pre-Christian culture which is admirable but they often don't realize the source of spirituality is in certain practices that involve altered states of consciousness. The most archaic root of religion was shaminism. This involved things like singing, chanting, meditation, and psychedelics. Even Indo-European religion had these elements.Neopagans are not in a bad position because they would be open to the sorts of practices which would renew spirituality. They just need to be aware their ancestors did such things. One disease of Abrahamism which they must overcome is the over emphasis of mythology. The Abrahamic religions want their mythology to be taken literally and dogmatically. In traditional Shamanism fantastic stories are more likely to be taken allegorically because they are conceived and taught in a context where psychedelic use is common, so mythology becomes an exercise in dream interpretation.
>>18248264Joshua or offspring produced without sex.
>>18248236Ad hominem>>18248249I simply felt like making this thread about conclusions I've reached after analyzing this community for weeks.>branch? What are you talking about? There aren't infinite "branches" you can follow. Zurvanism is a failed and "fatalistic" movement. Mazdakism, I don't think I need to say what the problems are with that, do I? (Or do I?)
>>18248257Wrong, but that doesn't make OP any less of a larper.
>>18248274>Joshua or offspring produced without sex.What?
>>18248274Joseph technically.
>>18248250I honestly don't know what kind of crying that was.Yes, I can offer some perspectives on that.In the case of Neopagans, it's something they find cool; it's not tradition or religion. It's aesthetics.Regarding Zoroastrians, the situation is different and more complex than you make it seem. While the Islamic "conquest" of the Sassanid Empire affected the Zoroastrian community, there are still active Zoroastrian communities in places like India and Iran, where we maintain our traditions and practices. I'm from Kerman.The issue of "legitimacy" and continuity is more legitimate here (because people, mainly, BELIEVE in it) than Twitter pages or costume events held by young people under 30>>18248257Yes, i m. Next post guys?And what makes the genius think I "converted"? Did his hideous mind tell him?I'm part of a community in Kerman. My father is Zoroastrian, as was my grandfather, the same as my great-grandfather was, following the example of my great-great-grandfather and so on.By the way, this is a retarded simplification made by you Westerners, but it's off-topic. I only revealed my belief system to avoid spamming from "Christiancuck".
>>18248268Hello Owen, how are you?
I m the OPThank you for the replies, they were very helpful. I read them all. Unfortunately, my phone battery is low, but I will reply to the other users tomorrow (if possible). Please wait.
>>18248284>I'm from KermanThe least you could do is basic google search. I did one and it says the iranian zoroastrians are in Yazd province>>>18248282Zoroastrian communities in places like IndiaI see you maybe a jeet trying to hide because your people are despised nowadays
>>18248291Kek
If that's what you are interested, look at Neoplatonic and theurgic pagans today instead of people like Varg for whom paganism is just an aesthetic to flavour their political beliefs with.
>>18248286>waaah why don't pagans want to have conversations with us!1!1!!1>pagan tries to initiate a conversation with a reasonably measured and intellectual opener>HURR DURR LARP HURR DURR SHILL HURR DURR DURR...DURRRRR!!!You can't be THIS fucking stupid.
>>18248250>they don't worship an arab. no Muslim doesMuslims worship Muhammad. No matter how they deny it. Why does their religious creed otherwise requires Muhammad in it? Why do they want to follow in his steps? Why is it worse for them if someone insults Muhammad than if someone insults Allah? Allah is just a plot device fof Muhammad and the true God of islam is Muhammad.
>>18248230Honestly OP the fact that you're a native Zoroastrian is much more interesting that what larpagans are up to. Plenty of threads about that.How common is Zoroastrianism really in Iraq? I read widely mixed estimates. To what extent does it influence the life of the average modern practitioner? How are the relations with the Muslims?
>>18248284i dont live in MENA and im not a muslim. i am not affected by the existence of zoroastrians.>The issue of "legitimacy" and continuity is more legitimate here (because people, mainly, BELIEVE in it) than Twitter pages or costume events held by young people under 30yes it is, which is what makes zoroastrians clowning on european neopagans laughable. neo zoroastrains don't have an attested, writtten document for their religion since the magi refused to continue their teachings.hinduism is more consistent than zoroastrianism is at this rate.>>18248458you don't know what worship means.>Why does their religious creed otherwise requires Muhammad in it? because he was the perfect muslim so it's important to emphasize that he is an example for all to follow.>Why do they want to follow in his steps?because he was the perfect muslim so he would know best as the prophet>Why is it worse for them if someone insults Muhammad than if someone insults Allah? not a thing>Allah is just a plot device fof Muhammad and the true God of islam is Muhammad.repeating yourself isn't evidence.this is why people laugh at kurds. you just scream and shit your diaper then fling it everywhere and expect to be taken seriously. i'll leave you to bump your own thread like you do every other time. have fun watching Islam ransack the remaining kurds in syria
