Reminder that Greece and Italy were at their peak when they were predominantly pagan. After they converted to Christianity, they became shitholes that produced nothing useful culturally or intellectually, or at least nothing useful culturally or intellectually that was because of Christianity.>But what about the Renaissanc-ACKExcept the Renaissance was kickstarted by Gemistos Plethon, who was arguably the first neopagan. It was he who preserved certain classical texts that otherwise would have been lost, it was his lectures on Plato that inspired Renaissance-era thinkers to take an interest in antiquity.The Renaissance only happened as it did because people took an interest in PAGAN texts. Renaissance-era thinkers although Christian were specifically inspired by PAGAN philosophies such as Neoplatonism and Hermeticism. Christianity itself played no role in any of this.
>>18249127still not gonna live in a mud house and worship a tree, sorry
>>18249133But enough about non-European Christians
>>18249151>>18249151Sorry, can't hear you over the sounds of New World
>>18249191There are no more Jews in Spain or Portugal during that time
>>18249191Yes, it's a clear proof of Abrahamic religions being superior to the primitive Godless cattle
>>18249127Greece and Rome collapsed because their pagan paradigm was transactional, cyclical and had no concept of linear progress. Christian metaphysics introduced the telos of history and the intrinsic value of the individual, all the ideas Plethon later mined FROM Christianized Byzantium. Without that scaffold, paganism just builds another beautiful, hollow, self-cannibalizing Colosseum.
>>18249204The Christian conception of “linear progress” is a lie + the fall of Rome was punishment from the gods for embracing Christianity. The Romans believed in Pax Deorum (“Peace of the Gods”) in which worship of the gods was necessary for the survival of the Roman state, and looking back they were right to believe this; when Rome worshipped the gods, the gods blessed Rome with prosperity and when Rome slowly abandoned the gods in favor of Christianity, the gods punished Rome by taking away their blessings and allowing Rome to decline and eventually fall to barbarians. It was never a sign of their absence or weakness, but of their wrath. The gods only bestow their blessings to those who devoutly worship them and when people refuse to worship them, the gods simply take away their blessings as punishment.
>>18249238We don't believe in "linear progess"We have cyclical beliefIn our eyes, (and history, really) Rome fell because it was so corrupted, they had 16 dudes claiming Emperor and anyone who takes the seat gets assassinted in a few years or even monthsIt collapsed and were rebuilt anew and better
>>18249243>We don't believe in "linear progess"We have cyclical beliefYou said otherwise here, pick a position without being contradictory.>>18249204>Rome fell because it was so corrupted, they had 16 dudes claiming Emperor and anyone who takes the seat gets assassinted in a few years or even monthsAnd the gods allowed this corruption to occur as punishment for not eradicating Christians, the gods can allow us to prosper if we worship them or allow us to suffer if we don’t. Remember that with the sole exception of Nero, Rome prospered under emperors who cracked down on Christians such as Marcus Aurelius, Trajan, Hadrian, etc and Rome suffered under emperors tolerant of Christianity (or Christian themselves) such as Philip the Arab, Theodosius, etc>It collapsed and were rebuilt anew and betterExcept we have not recreated the glory of Rome or built a single thing better, Christcuckery is savage and anti-human and the only reason medieval Europe wasn’t fully uncivilized was because certain pagan institutions such as Roman laws kept everything from being fully shit.Your religion is a sham and contradictory to the natural order of things. Modern American Evangelicalism is the end result and deep down, you know that you couldn’t have a stable society without preserving certain pagan institutions and knowledge, even then it wasn’t enough as you didn’t fully return to paganism.
>>18249127Yeah and there was lots of buttsex, very trad.
>>18249824Opposition to homosexuality is a Jewish psyop.
>>18249127>Except the Renaissance was kickstarted by Gemistos PlethonArtistic movements are generally not started by any one individual because artistic movements are mainly an after the fact classification that we give to works that are broadly similar. The Renaissance was also not isolated to Italy nor were its works solely defined by the rediscovery of antique philosophy and art. It had many expressions and varied regionally. It wasn't even the first Renaissance, if you define Renaissance as the rediscovery of antique philosophy, that title belongs to the Carolingians. Will this board ever stop being a hive for such midwits?
>>18250313The Renaissance wasn’t just a bunch of artists. It was an intellectual movement that was kickstarted by a neopagan named Gemistos Plethon. All Renaissance thinkers were influenced by pagan philosophies such as Neoplatonism and Hermeticism.
>>18249127Muslims (mainly Persians) were already translating Plato way before the Renaissance
>>18251407Did you even read my post?
>>18249127Ah yes the "weakness" of the Christian World.
