>muslims be likeMohammed pbuh was the most generous, virtius, kind man to ever live he was infallable>Then why didn't he ban slavery, why did he declare slaves running away from their masters haram, why did he fuck a 9 year old?uhhh well it was a different time
>it was a different timeThis is always pathetic to hear because so much had already happened in world history. It wasn't the stone age, it was late antiquity.
>>18250390>"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Allah".What kind of fuck up book would allow this?
>>18250390who the fuck decided slavery was a bad thing huh? you think muslims give a fuck about george washington and fucking voltaire?
>>18250395It's a valid response. Slavery was accepted and normal in most of the world, including the West, until very very recently in the long span of history. People were also hebephiles and pederasts. It wasn't until the later 20th century that it largely became frowned upon. Viewing historical figures through modern values makes quite literally everyone before the late 20th century evil.
>>18250408I should have been more specific. Muslims call the age of pre-Islam "the age of ignorance", as if to imply there was nothing valuable in the human transmission before Mohammad showed up. Archeological evidence of pre-Islamic Arabia shows that Mohammad's religion has much in common with the cults of the time, rather than being a unique divine communication of truth applicable to all times. >>18250401https://sunnah.com/nasai:4050A slave who runs away is automatically damned and in a state of apostasy.
>>18250408>It's a valid responsenot if you claim the guy was infallable
>>18250408>Viewing historical figures through modern values makes quite literally everyone before the late 20th century evil.It would be a valid argument for any other historical figure, not a supposed prophet of God, and one claiming to be the final one.If would be less contentious if Muhammad was just a prophet for 7th century Arabs and was followed by those tailored for later civilizations.
>>18250390Islam's goal was abolition through gradual reform in 7th century Arabia, where slavery was the global economic base. It mandated freeing slaves as atonement for sins, gave them legal rights, and treated manumission as a supreme virtue. We planted the seed to destroy the institution.> slaves running away from their masters haramThat hadith is weak (da'if) and contradicts the Quran's clear principle that slaves can buy their freedom (24:33).>why did he fuck a 9 year old?Aisha's age is debated by historians. Records suggest she was older. Also, maturity (puberty) was the standard, not modern arbitrary numbers (atheist nonsense.Applying 21st century norms to all of history is autistic.
>>18250500>islam was actually preaching rationalistic modern humanist values and it was feminist in 7th century arabia>aisha wasn't 9 years oldit's amazing that this 2000s era patently false argumentation still exists. if you manage to dupe anyone with this, they will leave your religion once they find out you lied, so it behooves you to be more honest.
>>18250500>planted the seeds to destroy the institution >Europeans had abolished the slave trade while it's still alive in Arabic countriesWhat did he mean by this?
>>18250500>Islam's goal was abolition through gradual reform in 7th century Arabia, where slavery was the global economic base.Then it completely failed in its task as it took European gunboats to abolish slavery.And it has returned in all but name when Europeans packed and went home.This sort of defeats the idea of Islam being divinely ordained considering how ineffectual it is. At least admit that Allah condones slavery.
>>18250500>Aisha's age is debated by historians. Records suggest she was older.There's literally not a single early Muslim source that would suggest Aisha was older.This is just BS peddled to modern Western idiots, nobody in the Islamic world actually believes Aisha was older than 6 when married and 9 when raped as reported by Sahih Bukhari.
>>18250390>uhhh well it was a different timeIt's a bullshit excuse, because every other civilization had enough sense to realize that until a girl flowered in puberty, they weren't to be consummated with. God's "true prophet" apparently couldn't figure it the fuck out that fucking 9 year olds is being a straight up pedophile.
>>18250522greeks and romans fucked prepubescent boys
>>18250596And we somehow don't see them as prophets of god.
>>18250500>Applying 21st century norms to all of history is autistic.yes i agree but the problem is that modern muslims claim that they condemn slavery, pedophlia, colonialism, imperialism etc while also claiming that muhammed was infallable
>>18250605Muslims condemn it only when they are on the receiving end.There's absolutely zero objective morality in Islam, the concept that you should apply the same standards to anyone.It's always good or at least permissible when Muslims do it to infidels. It's not that slavery is bad. Enslavement of Muslims is bad. Kaffirs are a fair game.
>>18250626And by the way, the same mentality is why Muslims flip they shit about Palestine, while not giving a fuck about Muslim-on-Muslim or Kaffir-on-Kaffir violence.They rage about Palestine because non-Muslims are beating Muslims. They literally don't give a shit that there's a literal genocide ongoing in Sudan in which one bunch of Muslims massacres another. Or they don't care about the war in Ukraine. Or about Karabakh being ethnically cleansed of Armenians literally two years (or so) ago.The only reason to rage is that Muslims are being beaten by non-Muslims, not some objective reason that Palestinian are an oppressed group. They don't give a rat's ass over oppression.
>>18250390I won't lie sometimes I wonder how much better my life would be with sex slaves
>>18250500>Records suggest she was oldershow us a single non islamic source that shows she even remotely existedThe general consensus in sunni islam is that she was fucked at 9... you better find other excuses like how girls at that time were better developped and the climate made her pubescent or something...Or maybe if your moral compass doesn't allow for a little girl to be fucked by an old dude then maybe apostatize and do your own thing
>>18250408Muhammad’s behavior towards Zaynab was scandalous at the time and is scandalous today. He had to receive a “special revelation” from Allah saying it was okay to cuck his son.
>>18250596And where does that tie into deciding a girl's sexual maturity?
>>18250413>A Slave Who Runs Away to the Land of ShirkFrom your own link, it's in the title. And the very next reports make it clear it is about those who become traitors
>>18250390>>Then why didn't he ban slavery, why did he declare slaves running away from their masters haram, why did he fuck a 9 year old?Maybe he was just in rebellion against Paul. 1 Corinthians 7:21Art thou called being a servant? care not for it: but if thou mayest be made free, use it rather. Philemon 1:21Having confidence in thy obedience I wrote unto thee, knowing that thou wilt also do more than I say.Deuteronomy 23:15-16King James Version15 Thou shalt not deliver unto his master the servant which is escaped from his master unto thee:16 He shall dwell with thee, even among you, in that place which he shall choose in one of thy gates, where it liketh him best: thou shalt not oppress him.Hebrews 13:4Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.1 Timothy 5:2The elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters, with all purity1 Timothy 4:12Let no man despise thy youth; but be thou an example of the believers, in word, in conversation, in charity, in spirit, in faith, in purity.
>>18250408>People were also hebephiles and pederasts. It wasn't until the later 20th century that it largely became frowned upon. Viewing historical figures through modern values makes quite literally everyone before the late 20th century evil.I've posted my medieval sperging several times and am too tired to do it again but the Christians in the middle ages would kill their kids to avoid Muslims Zutting them. There are multiple cases from the fall of the Byzantines alone.
>>18250413>. Archeological evidence of pre-Islamic Arabia shows that Mohammad's religion has much in common with the cults of the time, rather than being a unique divine communication of truth applicable to all times.Not only that. We also know that there were several similar prophets operating during Muhammad's own lifetime. Much of Quran is Muhammad (or Allah) ranting at the competition.One of these prophets, Musaylima, actually outlived Muhammad and was defeated only under Abu Bakr, the first caliph. Obviously we know very little about Musaylima aside from usual Muslim slander that he was a satanic false prophet, but it is confirmed that he had his own Quran-like revelation.
>>18250602Yes you do
>>18250633muslims don't care about chinese treatment of muslims, and they barely cared about the burma incident.they will however chimp out about western countries allowing citizens to make fun or criticize their religion, enforcing it's laws on muslim citizens or having bans on niqab/burkas in public (even thought many muslim countries have the same ban)
