God's foreknowledge of all events is as incompatible with human free will. If God knows everything that will happen, including my actions, then I am acting out a script that the true God has already been written. "My" choices, no matter how deliberate they may seem, are part of a larger, predetermined plan.
What if there is no script, he just knows what you’re going to do?
>>18251337If he knows what I am going to do then my choice is predetermined by him. Because he created me knowing every choice I would ever make before I make it.
My interpretation:>God knows everything that happened in the past>God knows everything that is happening in the present>God knows every branching path that the future can potentially take>Because of free will, the path which the future will take is yet to be determined, and therefore cannot be known as it does not exist yet, and things which do not exist are not included in the all-encompassing scope of omniscience
>>18251659If he doesn't know which path *will* be taken, he is not all knowing. This is the Christian version of asking how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning.
>>18251682>If he doesn't know which path *will* be taken, he is not all knowing.And? Does that suddenly invalidate His role as the Creator of all that exists? Does that make Him not worthy of worship and praise?
>>18251692>And? Does that suddenly invalidate His role as the Creator of all that exists?Yes.
>>18251334If I roll a dice, and I know which side the dice will land on by knowing the future, it doesn't mean the dice isn't random and will roll on a different side each time it's rolled, it just means I know in advance. Thats how free will is, God knows in advance what choices we will make, but that doesn't mean we can't make our own decisions."1. God allows certain things of which He does not approve. "Thou shalt not steal," but it goes on all the time (Luke 17:1). "Thou shalt not bear false witness," but it goes on all the time (2 Tim. 3:3)2. In many cases God allows powers and authorities to control people and countries although He does not approve of them. Saul and Caesar in the Bible; Nero and Hitler outside the Bible.3. Because He permits them, or allows them to have power or authority, does not mean that God has chosen them of His own directive will, nor is it any indication that God will bless them or even convert them. (See Jer. 51:20-25 for the judgment that God brings on a nation whom He has previously allowed to destroy another nation.)4. If God will allow a power to control things when this power is evil and malicious, then why would the passage in 2 Thessalonians 2:10-12 cause any wonderment at all? The passage merely states that God gives what a man demands and asks for. If he wants a lie, he gets it."The unregenerate seeker of truth cries, "Give me the truth." God says, "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him" (Matt. 17:5). "Yeah, but what about all these other religions? Do you mean to tell me that you think that you're the only one that is right, and the rest are wrong?" God says softly, "Yea, let God be true, but EVERY MAN a liar" (Rom. 3:3-4). www.youtube.com/shorts/qzHWrQ2DHhQ (How to Prove the Power of Christ in 60 Seconds)https://truthischrist.com/seven/www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCsPy4CY6hIwww.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ919YomJjMwww.youtube.com/watch?v=pcvFX5uIRb4www.youtube.com/watch?v=yS78mFJcvhQ
Proof that the Bible is the word of God:fcbaptist.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Bible-proof.pdfhttps://truthischrist.com/seven/1 Corin 15:3-4: “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc1 John 5:7: "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."Romans 3:23: “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”Jesus Christ is God who has come in the flesh from heaven. He died as a sinless sacrifice for the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for your sin. He was buried, then resurrected and then ascended to heaven. John 3:16: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” John 10:28: "And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand." Rom 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved."God wants to forgive you, but you have a choice: Do you choose the righteousness of God by receiving Christ? Your own righteousness can NEVER justify you or keep you saved because of your sin. Rom 5:9: “Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.” Salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, in His finished blood atonement. The gift of salvation can't be earned. Confess The Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in prayer, that you trust in Him and believe He atoned for your sins on the cross.Eph. 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.”
>>18251717Your pasta is shit and every thinking person hates you for spamming it and not meaningfully contributing to the conversation.
>>18251720Then just hide it?
>>18251337>>18251682>If he doesn't know which path *will* be taken, he is not all knowingNot if such a thing is truly unknowable, as omniscience means knowing everything that is knowable, it does not mean knowing the unknowable (a logical impossibility).But even if such a thing is knowable, foreknowledge and free will are not contradictory because:Knowledge ≠ Causation
>>18251334>God has already been writtenThis is why Judas is replaced by Grace, instead of Justice.
>>18252204Is God present at our funerals?
>christkeks doing mental gymnastics trying to make literal nonsense sound logicalEvery time lol.
>>18251714>If I roll a dice, and I know which side the dice will land on by knowing the future, it doesn't mean the dice isn't random and will roll on a different side each time it's rolled, it just means I know in advance.It literally does mean the dice isn't random you fucking idiot.
>>18251334I think that God isn't actually omniscient or omnipotent and every time the Bible says this it is metaphor. It just doesn't make sense otherwise. Free will, evil, Satan, the watchers, the fall, some statements made by Jesus and aspects of his life, a whole lot of stuff. God forgive me for my heresy if I am wrong
Is it true that if we knew the location and state of every particle in the universe we could predict the future infinitely?
>>18252550The particles and states are infinite.
If you rewatch a movie ,you already know the ending, but it doesnt mean the director didnt have free will in chosing it. God is outside of our time so for us this is like a movie , where each actor had complete freedom in chosing what to do
>>18251334>If God knows everything that will happen, including my actions, then I am acting out a scriptNot exactly. God's omniscience is beyond time. A script is entirely temporal. You're mixing two different realms in your conclusion.>"My" choices, no matter how deliberate they may seem, are part of a larger, predetermined plan.They are still yours. Your choices don't become someone else's the moment they know what you choose.If I observed you freely choose pizza for lunch, traveled back in time and watched you again, your choice would still be yours regardless of my knowledge.
>>18252598>nonsense and self contradiction
>>18251339>If he knows what I am going to do then my choice is predetermined by him.Perhaps, depends on what you mean by determinism. Classical determinism (that state of a system at time T are entirely reducible the state at T-1) isn't part of God's omniscience and shouldn't be automatically assumed in the interpretation. But the more important point is this: A choice might be in one way or another pre"determined" by God, but it is also determined by you. Your agency doesn't disappear because someone somewhere has more agency than you do.
>>18252618Mate if this god being knows the future action and I can't choose otherwise then I have no free will, even if the being is not "forcing" me. This is really not hard to understand.
>>18253146Knowledge ≠ Causation >>18252204Looking from the future you chose X.You could have chosen ~X but you chose X.God simply knows what you chose, but you are still the one who chose it.
>>18251334free will doesn't exist but neither does your sky daddy
>>18251334How do you know about God's foreknowledge if you're not actually God?
>>18253171Is this a language thing? Why is it so hard to understand?There is no choice under omniscience, you go with what you're supposed to go. You can't have it otherwise.
>>18253178>Sky Daddy doesnt existYou cannot possibly know that with any degree of certainty.Your assertion is an atheistic faith-statement.
>>18252514If I roll a dice, there are 6 possible futures. If I know the future before I roll the dice, the side the dice lands on is random, even though I know what side the dice will land on. In other words, the ability to know the future is not random, but the dice is random.
I have a personal belief in that the reason we are God's greatest creation is because we are the one element he cannot truly know or control. He can compel, punish, reward, but each and every one of us and what we will do with this is a mystery, which God enjoys. A single variable in a universe he knows to the atom that can surprise him.
>>18253209And ?
>>18253909Enjoy Hell.
