Everyone who believes in divine command theory is just telling on themselves and showing they have no actual morality. If God told them raping babies was good, they would do it.>BUT GOD WOULDN'T DO THAT!!!What if he did? What would you do, if commanded to rape a baby by God?
>>18251711You wouldn't be asking this dumb question because your inherent morality would reflect god's will, and you would be too busy raping babies to ask stupid questions like this.Not a christfag btw. A Galilean is no son of 'Il.
>>18251715How is it a dumb question? If God commanding something is what makes it "moral", as suggested by divine command theory, what about raping babies would be immoral if God commanded it, from the point of view of someone who believes in divine command theory?
>>18251711You just don't undestand the argument. It's not about who is more noble and moral (lol!), it's about justification for your presuppositions.God is the Christian justification for objective morals.>Why is X good Y bad?>Because God said soAtheists do not have a justification for their morals, they just presuppose ethics without a justification for it. Why is tha a problem? Well you have no grounding to stand and tell anyone why something is good or bad, the Christian has God's Word, you have your subjective feels and maybe an appeal to the masses fallacy.>If God told them raping babies was good, they would do it.It's funny you use this argument, but in your world view you can't even justify why raping babies is bad. Go on, explain to me why it is bad justify it
>>18251725>>Atheists do not have a justification for their moralsI do. Because we say so.
>>18251725>but in your world view you can't even justify why raping babies is bad. Go on, explain to me why it is bad justify itBecause I wouldn't like to be raped as a baby. I don't like to do things to people that I wouldn't like them to do to me. This is the most basic moral principle that most people understand as children.
>>18251726So what? Anyone can just say the opposite>>18251728That doesn't justify anything. The paedo rapist movement can just promote their lifestyle and label it as healthy for children development
>>18251731I'm telling you why I wouldn't rape a baby. People can make asinine justifications for anything they want. There is no "objective morality" handed down from anyone, we collectively agree what is right and wrong.
>>18251734>People can make asinine justifications for anything they want. There is no "objective morality" handed down from anyone, we collectively agree what is right and wrong.Exactly. In an atheistic world view there are no objective morals, like we 'all' now collectively agree now that sacrificing unborn babies is perfectly moral and acceptable.Or that a man can pretend to be a woman and it's immoral to disagree with him.It's also immoral to think there is objective truth, there is no truth just power-relations.>Vegan moralsWe're all animals anyway so it's immoral to eat other animals that don't consent, but it is moral to eat an animal that consents, so we can eat humans.We should all live in a goonpod and eat 3D printed grass
>>18251740There are no objective morals in a Bible based framework either, because God ordering the slaughter of the babies of enemy nations would violate the sixth commandment. The only "objective moral" is that obeying God is good. In your framework, murdering babies is not inherently immoral.
>>18251742>There are no objective morals in a Bible based framework eitherYes there are, the morals are what God commands, doesn't get more objective than that. In the Christian framework God is the Truth, ethics, justification.>The only "objective moral" is that obeying God is goodCorrect. >In your framework, murdering babies is not inherently immoral.It is because God already said it is immoral and that will never change, you can imagine some other god but the Christian God is this one who said Thou Shalt not murder and love thy neighbor
>>18251750NTA, but if God can command evil, and morality is the opposite of evil then wouldn't God's morality be just as subjective as any person?
>>18251750>Yes there are, the morals are what God commandsSo if God commanded you to rape a baby would it be moral? Would you do it?>It is because God already said it is immoralExcept for the Canaanite babies he specifically ordered the Israelites to kill.
>>18251750You'd mudrer rape your own child if God told you to. You have no morality. Only bootlicking.
>>18251756God actually can't command evil, because God does not lie and he is purely good.I'm being very specific here, the Christian God, not an imagined random speculative god.>>18251759God would not command so, He cannot go against His own nature.>>18251757Who knows what kind evils the Canaanites were bringing about with their demonic worship. God knows the future, perhaps for those babies dying then was better than living as slaves to Baal-Peor, sinless guiltless babies all go to heaven anyways
God moralists hate this one simple trick
>>18251759What morality do you have, atheist? A subjective one, mere feelings. There could be a society that thinks putting babies into blenders is totally wholesome. That's where you get when you tear out the foundations of objective morality.
>>18251778>God would not command soThe question is what if he did? This really is the Christian version of the breakfast question.
>>18251778>Who knows what kind evils the Canaanites were bringing about with their demonic worship.>God knows the future, perhaps for those babies dying then was better than living as slaves to Baal-PeorWhy didn't he just command the Israelites to save the babies? It shocking the monstrous things you people will make excuses for while claiming moral high ground. You are dangerous to civilization and people need to wake up to the danger your cult poses to Reason.
God commanded Abraham to kill his kid, which is kinda evil, and Abraham's willingness to do so was approved of and rewarded, although God didn't actually make him go through with it at least in our version of the story.
>>18251787What kind of benevolent deity is impressed by his followers willingness to kill their own children?
>>18251778>God actually can't command evil, because God does not lie and he is purely good.How is God's command for the Israelites to massacre even the innocents not evil from the innocent victims' perspective (for example the babies)? Because if it is, then God's morality is subjective, is it not? I don't exactly see why it'd still be good even if they do get to go to heaven, but maybe that's just my short sightedness.
>>18251784>The question is what if he did?Then it wouldn't be this God. the Christian God revealed himself, gave His law, etc. If you speculate what if God told everyone to be gay? Kek it would have to be some other god because ours is unchanging and the gay has already been downvoted>>18251786>You are dangerous to civilizationBruh, your atheistic experiment has already destroyed civilization in record time. The youth is pure rotbrain ironic nihilistsAnd you don't even have a foundation to tell you what is monstrous or not. How can you tell killing babies is monstrous? Plenty of atheists love killing babies and it's not even because God told them to, it's because they just want to coom again free from consequences.
>>18251778>He cannot go against His own natureWrong. God is omnipotent. He can do anything.
>>18251806He can't will Himself to not exist
>>18251805>And you don't even have a foundation to tell you what is monstrous or not.(actual) morality is inherent to and collectively agreed to by all healthy human beings, not handed down from God
>>18251810Yes, He could. What part of omnipotent do you not grasp? He can do anything.
>>18251805Also>And you don't even have a foundation to tell you what is monstrous or not. How can you tell killing babies is monstrous?I already told you why earlier, because I wouldn't want someone to do that to me. Does your attention span max out at 20 minutes?
>>18251816He will just endlessly repeat his prerecorded responses. You can't debate with a theist meaningfully just as you can't tell a pedophile to stop getting a hard on from a three year old. They just aren't capable of it.
The bible is weird, on one hand it's okay when Abraham does it with Issac but on the other hand but in later books they are called out when trying to use "But God told me to " as a defence. Like they were more clear on what voice was God's pre the Judges era than after where it just might be a demon pretending.
>>18251711what's the point of judging universe B's morality by universe A's standard?how does that prove anything?may as well posit a moon made of cheese. it's not a productive question.
>>18251816And I already replied that it's not a justification>because I wouldn't want someone to do that to meYou know that's just subjective right? >>18251822You're the ones repeating yourselves, just be consistent and accept you have no basis for your beliefs bruh
>>18251831Judges is just jewish capeshit with special cover issues of longhaired superkike owning the goyim
>>18251840>You know that's just subjective right?Morality is subjective
>>18251711It could simply be a test of faith. At the last moment, God might command you to stop. That seems like the most realistic interpretation, especially since God wouldn’t issue such a command without a purpose.
>>18251848>It could simply be a test of faith. At the last moment, God might command you to stop.What about all the people he doesn't stop, who fully believe God is telling them to kill their children? Who are you to tell them God isn't telling them that?
>>18251842When I read the bible as a kid the Judges era was the coolest shit, Joshua is a badass and Deborah is literally bronze age Wonder Woman.
>>18251848>God wouldn’t issue such a command without a purposeYou don't know what He thinks or why He does things. Do not speak of God so familiarly. That's vanity.
>>18251851>OMG ITS JUST LIKE MY SUPERHERO COMICSAmerican spirituality.
>>18251855The last time I read the bible from cover to cover I was 11 my parents didn't let me read anything else on sunday. I'm not going to read it with that level of autism again, you can mock me for it but I have fond memories.
>>18251862You're a soulless golem who can only relate to things using the prism of pop culture. You are not even a human being.
>>18251865>no don't compare my obvious work of fiction to other works of fiction sorry
