>non-vegans have no argumentsIs a nonsensical statement. Statements that make objective claims about subjective qualities like the taste of meat or its ethical consumption (which depends on individual preferences) can be safely dismissed. Ethical statements that attempt to legislate morality for aesthetic reasons can be also dismissed. The only time moral legislation should be ever attempted should only be in regards to human life. Things like culinary preferences, modern art or architecture should not get the same treatment.
>>18251988Please learn English and reword this.
>>18251988Only people from shithole countries do not believe animals are subject to moral consideration, Mehmet.
>>18251988Humans are carnivore.-History-We used to rely +80% on meat and fat, as determined by bone testing.From ~1.2mBC to ~10kBC.10.000 BC is generally seen as the era of the agricultural revolution.Most plants that we consume today are man-made.We cultivated them first and foremost to feed our livestock, but since they are more easily stored, it was used as upkeep of slave populations, or large armies when the need arose.-Medicine-Argument: Vitamin C defficiencyCounter: Vitamin C is present in meat, in very low quantities, which is sufficient if you don't consume carbohydrates. Carbohydrates are absorbed through the same pathway and thus block absorbtion.Argument: Meat causes cancer.Counter: The only studies that have been conducted are not adequate to come to this conclusion. Short term studies where a singular meal has been replaced for two weeks in a subject, is not adequate for example. If you rapidly change your diet your gut biome gets out of balance and you will feel sick. A slow adjustment circumvents the entire ordeal. Studies in other species can readily be dismissed, since especially the consumption and digestion of food is one of the most divergent aspects of biological systems.Argument: Fat causes heart-disease/stroke.Counter: The lipid hypothesis is also inadequate. This hypothesis claims that the lipid transporter LDL is the cause of plaque buildup in arterial walls. No such thing has ever been proven. While cholesterol is present in LDL and the arterial walls, this is because of the damage that occured there, and cholesterol is a building block of cells and thus used in regeneration. The cause of the damage in the arteries is the crucial question, not cholesterol. Hypertension & Inflamation are the culprit.-Ethics-Any ethical argument has to both show that an alternative is equally or even more healthy.You are not required to forfeit your own health for the relatively short and meaningless life of a less sentient creature.
>>18251988Animals can feels pain and desire to live.If rights exist on a sliding scale based on intelligence alone (the only possible metric fir distinction which makes any sense whatsoever without resorting to great-chain-of-being religious arguments) then it should be legal to eat babies or the mentally retarded. Obviously, this is wrong, and vegans are obviously correct.I will still be enjoying pork pies for Christmas thoughever, because I am under no obligation to be rationally consistent.
>>18251988>in regards to human life>>18252145>less sentient creature.>>18252124>shithole countriesAll of you odious faggots rely on the shoddiest of foundations to place your arguments upon. As >>18252146 points out, it is quite obvious that if a creature has a nervous system it can feel; whether to what degree actually holds zero relevance. Even if it did, you would have to concede, within the framework of your own arguments, that it should be legal to enslave, rape, torture, kill, then eat mentally retarded humans. Of course, there is an argument that doesn't rely on undercooked rhetoric, and its also the only one, for which I turn to >>18252146 again; the argument being, just not giving a fuck about rational consistency. You get to maintain honesty and uprightness through taking ownership of your brutal actions.And like anon, I will enjoy a tall glass of chocolate milk during Christmas. As a tall blonde white it is extremely healthy for my body and tastes delicious. And unlike you detestable retards, I do not feel the need to tell myself comforting lies that I deserve my place as rapist or the cow who's milk I took from her child as raped.
>>18252172>All of you odious faggots rely on the shoddiest of foundations…Read before you give your worthless opinion:>>18252145>Any ethical argument has to both show that an alternative is equally or even more healthy.>You are not required to forfeit your own health for the relatively short and meaningless life of a less sentient creature.ok? Do you understand?Since you are a retarded faggot, I will once again point out the argument:You are not required to forfeit your own health for another creature.Is this getting through your thick skull?If you disagree, you should kill yourself, because then you leave more to other creatures.So please, bitch, tell me once again that this argument 'relies on the shoddiest of foundations'.You simply do not have the mental capacity to understand what was even said.
>>18252172holy fuck it's a talking elephant
>>18252146This. People cannot be expected to make the moral choice if there is no incentive to do so. Meat is an easy to get, tasty source of nutrition today due to factory farming and people as a whole cannot be expected to give it up just because of moral nagging.If vegans really wanted this to change, they should try to change this paradigm. Lobby for taxing the shit out of the meet industry, support tax breaks for farming of meat replacement plants, lobby to legalize and give tax breaks to synthetic meat.
It's easier to take a middle approach and say we shouldn't eat mammals, given that fish can get you the same macro nutrient profile and suffer way less than mammals/birds due to simpler limbic systems.
>>18251988>implying your feelings are subjectiveYou're paying for animals to be enslaved and slaughtered.>ethical consumption is just a preference like preferring pizza over burgersKYS.>only human life matters for moral legislationLiteral speciesist cope. morality isn't a buffet where you only take the human-serving plates>can be safely dismissedYou can dismiss reality all you want, doesn't make you less of a hypocrite or the blood less on your hands.
>>18251988What the fuck does this have to do with history? Take this shit to /pol/
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