>be one of hundreds of cult leaders of the time>born a god but did nothing til midlife crisis (even Krishna was killing bad people as a baby IIRC)>other cult leaders had just as many if not more eyewitness miracles>guy pisses off the feds>surely he will be lash-proof?>no>surely he will just make his hands immune to nails?>gets nailed>surely he will hang indefinitely pontificating to the masses to undermine the regime>just dies and cries about it like a normal guy>cultists: he meant to do that...(for you)>people leave>die hards realise things look shit, claim he comes back to life (but not in the same form for some reason)>may I see him?>no>doesnt that negate him dying for me?>uhh no ;)>goes back to heaven anyway
His death resurrection and second coming don't really make sense.Did people who died before his sacrifice all go to hell?When he returns is says the dead in christ shall rise, why do they say rise as if they are in the grave aren't they in heaven?If he's God and he can resurrect how is dying for our sins a huge sacrifice? Being persecuted, lashed with metal spikes and being nailed to a cross until you die is very much hard but if you are just going to come back what was sacrificed?
>>18252230It's meant to replace the Jewish ritual sacrifice. All of the sacrificial lambs and goats were imperfect, while the Son of God was a perfect one and his death has paid the price of sin forever. This is why veil in the highest temple has been torn apart - God and people aren't divided by the original sin anymore, there is no debt anymore!
>>18252312That answered none of that guy's questions.
>>18252219>>may I see him?>>noPeople did see him.
>>18252350You mean a handful of his followers he appeared to in secret then quietly ascended to Heaven but nobody thought to write it down for decades? Stretches credulity
>>18252391No, I mean the dozens of people who Paul publicly refers to. Though if your entire position is that Christ is a product of a 13-people conspiracy, I naturally won't be surprised that Paul lying is part of your conspiracy theory.
>>18252396And why didn't the "dozens of people" Paul refers to ever write anything down about it at the time?
>>18252420Low literacy rates:In 1st-century Judea and Galilee, literacy was extremely limited. Estimates from scholars (e.g., Bart Ehrman, Catherine Hezser) range from 3–10% overall, possibly lower in rural areas like Galilee (5–10% or less). Most people were agrarian workers, fishermen, or laborers who could not read or write proficiently. Writing materials (papyrus, ink) were expensive and scarce, and producing documents required training that few had.Oral culture dominance:Early Christianity spread primarily through oral preaching and teaching in a largely non-literate society. Stories of Jesus' life, death, and resurrection were transmitted verbally in communities, synagogues, and house churches. There was no pressing need to write things down immediately, as eyewitnesses were alive and could share experiences directly. This mirrors rabbinic Judaism, where oral tradition (later codified in the Mishnah) was central.This is why it is said that jesus spoke Aramaic, even if his words were documented in greek.
>>18252396Paul saying there are 500 witnesses does not mean there actually are 500 witnesses10% of the pop. being literate is a substantial percentage and the fact that there are no writings effectively disproves the entire thing.
Quantum immortality is real, and this branch is one of the universes in which Jesus of Nazareth spontaneously resurrected after his crucifixion to preserve his stream of consciousness. Since he didn't stay for good, his consciousness goes on in some other world.
>>18252420Pretty much what >>18252446 said. That anything got written down at all is somewhat surprising.>>18252496>10% of the pop. being literate is a substantial percentageYes, substantially low.>the fact there are no writingsThere are - by Paul and the Apostles. Surely you didn't expect an "unbiased" writing that goes like "That guy Jesus rose from the dead and I've seen it with my own eyes, btw I'm remaining impartial to their claims"
>>18252591>the ApostlesHis original apostles didn't write anything down.
>>18252639yes they did
>>18252666>yes they didThey were 1st century Judean peasants, the vast majority couldn't write, and especially write in Greek. The Gospels are written like stories (not eyewitness accounts).
>>18252639>>18252671FP:>Why aren't there non-biblical accounts of Christ by other Judeans? This is proof that Christ wasn't real.LP:>The biblical accounts of Christ can't be written by the apostles because Judeans can't write.Bravo anon.
>>18252695I'm not the first post. I'm a different anon. I don't care that we don't have hundreds of accounts, because as you said, the vast majority of people were illiterate (and they wouldn't have survived over the years anyway). But you can't have it both ways either. You can't say "most people were illiterate" and at the same time say the apostles wrote their "accounts" in Greek. The gospels were written decades after Jesus lived by individuals who had heard stories and wrote them down. The church later ascribed authorship.
>>18252446Nice cope lol
>>18252753Not an argument. I accept your concession.
>>18252496it is not surprising that there is relatively little contemporary written material about Jesus from the 1st century AD. Historians widely recognize this pattern for most figures from that era, especially those outside elite Roman or imperial circles.Common people mostly used wax tablets for temporary purposes, erasing and reusing them. Anything written on papyrus by non-elites (e.g., personal letters) rarely aimed for preservation.Jesus operated as an itinerant preacher in rural Galilee and Judea, a remote province of the Roman Empire, primarily among lower-class Jews. His ministry lasted only a few years and ended in execution as a criminal under Pontius Pilate. At the time, he attracted no widespread attention from Roman administrators, historians, or Jewish elites in urban centers like Jerusalem or Rome.Its actually a miracle that we are still talking about this guy 2,000 years later, and over half of the planet either venerates him, or worships him, in some way.
everyone back then was superstitious and schizophrenic, it was a mistake listening to the ones who could write but here we are.
>>18252219Christianity was the I AM doctrine veiled for the piscean age, a judeo-masonic concoction, specifically Jupiter and the Sun in Pisces. Islam was Venus in Pisces. For the aquarian age the I AM doctrine will be veiled under the guise of AI and other technological creations.Jesus = Je suis = Jeshua = Yah Weh = Jove = Jupiter = Zeus = Deus = I AMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZftML6pAv7E
