So why did communism fail every time?
>>18253060Communism.exe will not run on the Homo Sapiens Sapiens OS. There are no current plans to fix this compatibility issue.
>>18253060Because it was never tried by white people
>>18253060"Muh Class solidarity" is insufficient to unite otherwise very different people.It's similar to Liberalisms' "muh individual rights and rule of law" and Communism is a logical derivation of liberalism IMO.SECULAR UNIVERSALISM.I know Liberalism is derived from Anglo Christianity, but still.
>>18253082>"Muh Class solidarity" is insufficient to unite otherwise very different peopleI think this is a big part of it. It's just not an idea that is able to animate people, unless you're a starving peasant like in pre-revolutionary Russia
>>18253073Compassion evolved because it was useful. Don't be so grim about human nature. It is true that some people are monsters who only care about power and money and unfortunately they are usually the most visible.
>>18253060Turns out that giving absolute power to dictators in hopes that they will be just and eventually transition into utopian anarchy is severely retarded. Also, the US and allies actively worked against every communist state, making it pretty hard for them to thrive regardless of how shit their system is on its own.
The government produces nothing, it only takes and redistributes. Redistribute everything and producing value becomes worthless to the individual. The producers leave/are ousted from their property/killed and what's left are dependents who think their needs equal other's moral duty. Cue starvation.
Every time? Realistically it's been done seriously twice.USSR, because the Soviet system largely just inherited the shitty Tsarist system and Nomenklatura largely just led to a system of bureaucratic nepotism. Due to lack of plurality in the politics, along with paranoia due to foreign infiltrators, trotskyists constantly fucking shit, turbo wreckers, nationalist terrorists etc, the purges happened and those who didn't know how to shut their mouths got hit, this meant a lot of the true believing Communists got hit, while Liberals shut their mouths worked their way to the top of the party and waited out Stalin and took over immediately after he kicked it. By 1965 Socialism in the USSR was functionally dismantled with the Liberman reform which ended Central planning in the Soviet Union and gave over power to a new oligarch managerial class (Red directors). Another issue with the USSR is that it never had a decentralised system of local democracy or real population input. This lead to an extremely paternalistic system where when Gorbachev was basically "Communism is over now cheers", the general public didn't know how or even if they could resist the choice.China, arguably "Communism" never ended here at all. It's still following a Marxist Leninist system, their logic is Marxist Leninist and they're following a Marxist conception of industrial and social development. The Communists still hold all the power and Capitalists are subordinate to them. The Communist Party in China also has always largely been far more decentralized using a far more bottom-up system called "mass line" where you vote in your local rep, then they vote up, then they vote up etc, policies are also voted for and constantly tested at the local level through democratic mandate. This means Communisty party of China has always been far more responsive than the CPSU ever was.
>>18253096Do people still believe in this myth ? Like do real people informed on politics still believe that marxism boils down to «let’s all share :))» ?>>18253060>why did it fail everytime1. Lack of access to the outside world and foreign intervention, which hindered trading and stability2. Leninism and Maoism being centralizing ideologies with little concerns for democratic input. This effectively meant that third world countries kept a bureaucratic and authoritarian government, but this time in charge of the economy too.That’s it. Communism failed for the same reason that liberalism failed in Russia and other soviet countries post-1991 : a corrupt class took power and centralized everything to their interest, profiting from a lack of democratic institutions and traditions. It’s also why almost every third world country keeps failing each time they adopt new policies. That being said, marxism-leninism failed extra hard because economic centralization and planning is extremely hard to do on a large scale. Hungary’s NEM, despite being applied in an isolated country with corrupt leaders and poor finances/management, managed to provide food and consumable goods in sufficient quantities to its population. Although we can’t say for sure, if the USSR had applied similar market policies, or even had adopted OGAS, their economy would’ve performed much better (like Hungary or Yugoslavia). But again, all of these countries still failed because of political mismanagement.
>>18253060Read a book, anon. Communism was systematically murdered in its crib by the entire capitalist world doing a global containment buttblasting. Permanent embargoes, coups, assassinations, and outright invasions the second any country tried to break from the resource-extraction pyramid scheme.Failed states don't maintain 90%+ literacy rates and space programs while under total economic siege.
>>18253060Our heroes...
>>18253120No, it's not "lets all share", it's *holds up gun* "give me your shit". I've yet to see you refute anything.
>>18253081this, every country that had a communist revolution was a backwards third world shithole before the revolution, so naturally they were still a backwards third world shithole after the revolution. The same structural problems with authoritarianism would have existed anywhere though.
>>18253109>Due to lack of plurality in the politicswhat one party state has plurality in its politics?
>>18253124>>18253148>kamarraaaaaad it's da amerikkka fault and not an ideology whose aim is to set up a dictatorship and then naively hope the dictator will work to dismantle the state kamarraaaaaad
>>18253124>read a book>muh economic siegeThis may be bait, but there are unironic marxists in the academy who think this way."capitalism" is a marxist strawman anyway, it's how they can make stupid posts about "not really communism.""muh literacy"probably why they had Russian roulette on dissidents.It's really upsetting how this (((philosophy))) is still taken seriously.
>>18253081>DDR>not whiteBruh
>>18253085The hatred of Christianity and hierarchy is a big problem too.
>>18253191You are just trolling right?
>>18253148Living rent free in your head 24/7 since The Enlightenment.
There is no stable sense of community in populations larger than the village level at most a few thousand individuals. This stems from a lack of familiarity people rarely feel genuine belonging to groups whose speech patterns, norms, and daily behaviors differ from their own, even when they formally share a language or nationality. In large populations, social cohesion does not scale; instead, tribalism becomes the dominant organizing principle. People sort themselves into urban tribes or subcultures based on lifestyle, habits, and shared practices.In so-called “communist” societies, this tendency has repeatedly resulted in the formation of a ruling-party subculture at the top of the hierarchy, while the broader population fragments into multiple proletarian urban tribes that struggle to develop a unified political identity. This fragmentation significantly limits their ability to challenge centralized power.Each urban tribe largely pursues its own interests, and under systems where access to power and resources is tightly controlled, individuals are incentivized to abandon group solidarity in favor of alignment with the ruling party, reinforcing elite dominance rather than collective opposition.
>>18253148This is revisionist nonsense, as if the Cold War never happened.
>>18253148>amerikkkafuck yes!
>>18253060Because people have no incentive to work if they can never leave the rat race like in these shitty systems. Also building stuff that isnt deapreciating over time doesnt keep the economy alive.
>>18253601this and Nixon/Kissinger America striking a deal with Mao/Zhou's red China to strategically encircle the USSR
>>18253060I've thought about it and came to the conclusion that Orwell was right all along and that communism depends more than anything else on thought control and violence directed at the human personality. It's like a closed mental cubicle that doesn't usually sustain itself in most people who get into it when they're young, but it has survived in a warped form in North Korea. That's a closed society. It's more repressive towards the mind and towards people with different ideas than it even is towards enemy social classes.
>>18253773https://www.reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/comments/1puq15s/tv_sign_off_during_the_romanian_communist_era_a/
>>18253060Goes against human nature and is objectively evil
>>18253085Also it's unclear what the "working class" even is
>>18253060>why does this retarded idea never work out!?!
>>18254011Fuck off nigger. Commies didnt invent mixed market economies. We hate the chinks because theyre imperialist pieces of shit, not because they torture their people with retarded government.
>>18254027Communism fails everywhere, where people do not understand how CEOs operate and companies, products or the market works. You try to get midwit bureaucrats to invent a product like iphones and you still dont get how retarded you sound, dont you?Communism wouldnt even work in Sweden, Denmark or Iceland, even these countries require an at least somewhat functioning market.
Communism is utopian slop for desperate losers. This is why its only viable as a relevant political movement in third world backwards shitholes or among deranged fucked up freaks in developed countries. It also sort of realizes this too which is why Communism isnt even about utopian ideals anymore for developed countries, but third worldist anti-white agitation now. America knew the best way to defeat it was by making sure poor places got money and a middle class because poverty and corruption is the soil which grows communism.
Civilized people prefer social democracy, this is a fact that has haunted Marxoids since the 19th century.
>>18254039Money doesn't grow on trees, you need to steak the capital first to redistribute it later. You can't just create value out of thin air.
>>18254050Based. Kikemmunists on suicide watch.
>>18254052*Steal the capital
>>18253060Because its impossible
>>18254084No, I am not implying that, from which ass are you pulling that out.
>>18254062>>18254101Anarchists and Western Larpers who only see "Marxism" as a counter culture paint job on top of ultra-liberalism.Serious Communism outside of the West has always been a mix of serious intelligensia along with revolutionary branches of the military.
>>18254257>I am a retard and dont know what is meant by mixed market systems
>>18253081There have been several communist societies run by white people in the west - usually cults. They also fail - sometimes in less than 2 years. The only ones that have lasted as multigenerational communities are ironically enough, Christian, such as the Paraguay reductions. Modern communists have no interest in these communities however, for obvious reasons.
>>18254062>The fact that only fucked up freaks are drawn to this is relevant too. No well adjusted, hardworking, forward thinking, pragmatic, and sensible person is drawn to this sort of thing ... None of these people come to communism through some sober minded study of economics, its always from some culture war slop or conspiracy theory thing, there is no exception.What's weird is that it is like that today but it wasn't like that in around 1905 or so. It's not like it once was. It once attracted the creme-de-la-creme of the intellectual elite. Like if you read the biographies of those guys they were top of their class, every one of them got the gold medal with a bourgeois education (which pretty difficult then too), spoke five languages. Now that's all vanished at least in the current culture.
>>18254307>It once attracted the creme-de-la-creme of the intellectual elite.Rosa was an upper middle class jew with a standard background for someone of that background. She played with fire, started a violent overthrow of the government and it failed horribly. This all ended with the Freikorp blowing her brains out while she begged for her life groveling on the floor and then they yeeter her corpse into a ditch filled with shit and rats.
>>18254321Yeah but the upper middle-class Jews aren't into communism anymore. Not that many of them anyways. It went downhill after they became liberals, conservatives.
They turned into this:https://youtu.be/uGorcjvB5zo
Because having unchecked power is always a recipe for disaster.
>>182530601. Human greed2. Anglo blockade3. Most commies weren't commies at all, just Russian stealing money
>>18253089you are so naïve. Communism is essentially the same as capitalism for the average person but with no social mobility while being zero trust. At the same time the government makes retarded decisions because understanding all variables in the economy is not possible so all decisions are based on flawed premise and information. It's not about muh billionaires being too mean.
>>18254461> being zero trustUSSR had not black people.
>>18253120>>>18253096>Do people still believe in this myth ? Like do real people informed on politics still believe that marxism boils down to «let’s all share :))» ?>>18253120>>18253120Well, for one Marx did.
>>18253124>>18253060 (OP)>Read a book, anon. Communism was systematically murdered in its crib by the entire capitalist world doing a global containment buttblasting. Permanent embargoes, coups, assassinations, and outright invasions the second any country tried to break from the 9communist-socialist) resource-extraction pyramid scheme.Confession thru projection much?>Failed states don't maintain 90%+ literacy rates and (high orbit) space programs while under total economic siege.As we discovered, NOT the USSR.
>>18253081Why don't eastern europeans count as white people?
>>18253120Why do you think people who live in countries where the government is the primary employer, and the burden of regulation placed on private are vast are generally poor?And people who live in less regulated free market countries are generally richer?
>>18254413They’re into communism as a sort of aesthetic between angling for what really motivates them - universal mandatory homosexuality
>>18253060The CCP has not failed though
>>18253060It failed in Europe. But not elsewhere. Europe doesn't understand collectivism.
Modern communism almost entirely derives from Leninist doctrine. Russians ruined it, just like the ruin everything else they touch.
>>18253060It hasn't, you're just historically illiterate.
>>18253060There is literally a Federalist paper on the subject of "Democracy has failed every previous time it has been attempted, but that wasn't real Democracy, so it doesn't count. It will work when we do it.". No communist state has ever existed without the entire world order trying to wipe them out, and much like the original Liberal Republics who existed in a world of Monarchism that wanted to wipe them out, the simple statistics of being the underdog means most will fail until a critical mass is reached and suddenly everyone pretends it was "always this way".
>>18253854The cashier sells his labor for a wage. He is proletariat. This post has obviously never read marx or he would no that this definition is the basis of the entire philosophy. There is no ambiguity. And anyone who claims there is is a glowie trying to keep people from understanding their own class position.
>>18253854it's what it sounds like, you illiterate /pol/ACK retard. economic classes are defined by economic standing. yes cashiers are working class as is every other services worker. nobody cares about your astroturf reddit thread.>>18254019>We hate the chinks because theyre imperialist pieces of shitthey are not imperialist thoughbeit. they don't have the capacity to be imperialist. capitalists do.
>>18255011>>18255028>sells his labor for a wageThat's extremely vague though, you could say the same for some billionaire.
>>18253060Materialist vision running under a deeply inefficient economic model that fails to appropriately use economic resources. It is why by the 80s people stopped giving a shit about upholding the Soviet Union. You can’t promise a great workers paradise but live in stagnation then squalor for so long, retards like this >>18253124 are in the minority. Religion has staying power because of a metaphysical vision, while Communism fell apart against McDonalds.
>>18255329>Communism fell apart against McDonalds.Even funnier, it fell apart against some random grocery store in Texas which had ice cream
>>18253124>Permanent Embargoes and economic siegeAmerica and even the Argentine Junta exported food to the USSR because it couldn’t self sustain its shitty agricultural model. A rump Russia is more robust economically.
For 75 years the USSR tried to convince the world that Communism was their only chance to survive. The Americans chose a different course, they bombed whole countries flat and built McDonalds on what remained. They won. Now the world is a rotting corpse being stripped to the bone by billionaire CEOs. Enjoy.
>>18255329>Religion has staying power because of a metaphysical vision, while Communism fell apart against McDonalds.This seems to be the biggest failing honestly, reactionary ideologies seem to be more psychologically fulfilling for a lot of people. This is also why communism itself has been hijacked by third world nationalists so easily. The Frantz Fanon narrative of "whitey stole our women and resources" is more exciting than Marxian autistic materialism
>>18255011Where do OnlyFans whores fit into this framework?
>>18253060>Why did totalitarianism fail every timeftfy
We will have a moneyless soceity soon, China won btw.
>>18255322billionaires don't need to produce products their labor in order to survive because they own the means of production. billionaires extract capital from the labor of the workers they exploit. services workers need to produce products with their labor and don't own the means of production. >>18255373career prostitution is something that popped up in capitalist society. marx considers prostitutes to be class traitors and actors/actresses in the porn industry have always been class traitors. prostitution is highly correlated with capitalist countries experiencing poverty. when communism is achieved there will no longer be a place for it in society.
>>18255433>prostitution is highly correlated with capitalist countries experiencing povertyThis is the case when poor women resort to prostitution to pay bills, but digital prostitution is different. A woman from whichever class background can go on OnlyFans and make millions from desperate lonely men
>>18255436yes and those women are class traitors. they support the capitalist status quo since it is vital to keep their grift going. the adult entertainment industry is run by the anglosphere, israel, and russia.
>>18254865this is funny because Marx was racist (mostly juut a product of his day_
>>18255474I don't see the correlation with what i wrote to be honest. Yeah he was racist because he was dealing with primates that have been conditioned to accept all the flaws of capitalism for thousands of years. I feel the same way dealing with piss poor wh*tes and latinx all day. They manage to be dumber than blacks.In any cas marx never wished systemic oppression against any race. Neither do I.
>>18254847>They’re into communism as a sort of aesthetic between angling for what really motivates them - universal mandatory homosexualityThat is what really motivates me. But at least in terms of artistic output, there seems to be more fascination with that on the far right? Richard Spencer doesn't hate the gays. He thinks they contribute to art and culture (find me a Stalinist who will say that), but that homosexuality also went awry when gays started trying to be normal. It's okay if you want to make gay jokes. Those jokes are funny. I don't buy into this idea that people should be fired at the office for making gay jokes. I don't know what you think about that, but it's not a big deal. Here's an example of what I'm talking about:https://youtu.be/2BSLsAwO9LI>>18255329>Religion has staying power because of a metaphysical vision, while Communism fell apart against McDonalds.Yuri Slezkine would probably agree with you. He wrote a history of Jews in the 20th century including their relationship with communism, it's pretty interesting. He said, if you back and read a century of communist writings, there is basically nothing about how to raise a family. It kind of acted like a religion although it really wasn't one. A lot of people who lived in the Soviet Union preferred to read Russian literature and so on, not dogmatic Marxist-Leninist texts. Merry Christmas.>>18255412>We will have a moneyless soceity soon, China won btw.I'm pretty sure they like money though anon.
>>18253060Because it is a flawed system, it's an ideology of losers and retards. Why would you want to give rights to working class, why would you want to oppress intellectuals, poets, and all sorts of great men in order to preserve genetic failures? Glad, it has been tried, and people already know its detrimental effects on economic, demographic scale.
>>18255559The lessons we can take from WW1 is give them SOME rights, a bit of money here and there and they wont torch your country. MAGAniggers seem to forget about these lessons today.
>>18254470Based uneducated retardGod speed, anon.>>18254837>Why do you think people who live in countries where the government is the primary employer, and the burden of regulation placed on private are vast are generally poor?Because these are generally third world countries in which the local dictator decided to take away economic rights ?>And people who live in less regulated free market countries are generally richer?They don't. Chile, Cyprus, Georgia, Bulgaria and the Baltic countries rank amongst the top 30 in the 2022 edition. These are not "rich" countries. France ranks below Malaysia, Hungary and Spain despite being richer than all these countries. The african countries are also all placed higher than Cuba and China despite having lower gdp per capita on average. There's probably a lot more that I've missed but the graph doesn't accurately say "economic freedom = rich".It's a loose correlation that rests on the EU countries being rich and being relatively economically "free". Lastly it also completely misses the point that economic freedom only works in stable countries with rule of law etc.>>18253060Leninism (which was the dominant form practiced everywhere) centralizes power into one party that's meant to be the "vanguard". Needless to say, this didn't work well in destabilized and poor countries.
>>18255630Thats exactly what is happening right now. Look at all these entertainment mindraping bullshit which keeps you chained while exploiting all the possible resources out there
>>18255660*keeps retards chainedYou just need to be more smart than 80% of the population which is easier from year to year, because see birth rates of the third world.
>>18253060china>muh china is gabidalisd!1!1name 1 capitalist country that has enjoyed similar success as china
>>18256465Taiwan
>>18256465Japan and South Korea?
>>18256583Now check their demography. They are failing.
>>18256589China has a lower fertility rate than Japan
>>18256598Young men in Japan and Korea are shamed into becoming drones and working extra hard to make up for the country's massive population decrease, which further contributes to their decreasing birth rate as these young men can't raise families. Gwarosa/Karoshi should tell you that things are not good there. Japan and South Korea have much higher suicide rates than China.
>>18255433Cuba is full of prostitutes you absolute hick. You can go there and sodomize a cute mulatta schoolteacher for $20 hard USA currency.
>>18253605Now a Soviet-Japanese pact look kino as Sino-Vietnamese war roll around…https://uh-ir.tdl.org/items/5a31d447-df3c-4363-b611-c32014ff43e5
>>18256664>Gwarosa/Karoshi should tell you that things are not good there. Japan and South Korea have much higher suicide rates than China.China has more deaths from karoshi than both SK and Japan. As for suicides there's no proof it's connected to capitalism, it could just as well be because of inceldom
>>18256742Forgot pic of the karoshi map. China is cooked
>>18256744Mongolia and Vietnam data seem off since they’re S. Korean tier
>>18253073Yeah, you need to be a soulless robot for it to work
>>18257761Germans couldn't make it work either
>>18256744Looks like an Eastern thing
>>18257764But they were the closest to making it work. Of all the Communist hellholes, if I had to pick one to live in, it would be East Germany.
>>18253060Because a society driven by profit motive is always going to out compete one driven by ideology. No one is going to work hard or do a difficult job if there is no reward. Why the fuck would I mine coal or work construction if it pays essentially the same as a janitor or something? What's the fucking point? The only pathway to increased resources in Communist countries is to pursue position in the party, and that's also often very dangerous because the Party is inevitably filled with other people who are happy to backstab and scheme and kill to secure their own position. So for the average person in a Communist country, the easiest path of least resistance is to get the easiest job (or the most exploitable job), do the least amount of work, steal as much as you can safely get away with from that job, and never stick your neck out to avoid the gulag or corporal punishment. It's a society that encourages mediocrity.
>>18253060Real communism unironically has never been tried. Leninism and Stalinism are a complete perversion of communist ideals.
>>18253060The leaders inevitably realise they can't keep up with capitalist countries and go to a market economy anyway
>>18253082/thread/The working class is made up by so many people with different ideas and views, it inevitably leads to a purity spiral and infighting
>>18258958> Because a society driven by profit motive is always going to out compete one driven by ideology. No one is going to work hard or do a difficult job if there is no reward. This is retarded. The vast majority of people in a capitalist system are not working for "the profit motive" because they are by design alienated from the actual profit and work for a wage instead. The typical argument for capitalism is that the minority bourgeois class are magic money wizards who are uniquely suited for capital investment and if THEY aren't being enticed by profit then Atlas will shrug and us worthless peons would be lost banging rocks together without their wisdom and guidance.
>>18253060It didn't fail tho. It did exactly what it was intended to do.
>>18259901Such as?
