>heh your worldview is just an illusion created by others, you're a dumb little cave goblin>now, if you believe in what I believe you'll be in the REAL world!Does anyone actually take this seriously? It's ridiculous.
>>18253540I was listening to a philosophy professor give a lecture on book 1 of the republic and he was so excited to talk about how socrates owns the sophist, and especially at one point where when the sophist gets a difficult question he becomes warm and starts to sweat, showing him blushing even as he answers, and this showed how wrong the sophist was. All I could think was the sophist didn't blush, Plato wrote that the sophist blushed.
Plato's goon cave
>>18253540Leaving the cave is meant to represent coming to realize that your sight decieves you and only reason can guide you towards objective truth.
>>18253540>if you believe in what I believe you'll be in the REAL world!Belief wasn't the issue. You can believe in the real world and still be in the cave. The issue was not being deceived by appearances.>>18253842>only reasonYes, in the sense of all your faculties (logical, intuitive, spiritual) working in tandem. Ideas can be directly perceived.
Literally just have a soul or think for yourself desu
>>18253540Everyone fell for this with the bible so, yes
>>18253842>Putting the model before what it's modelingPhilosophy was a huge mistake.
>>18254105Heheheh
Plato was laughed out of the cave by Eastern meditators so he went back to Athens to seethe
>>18254374The map is evaluated based on its ability to model the territory though.
>>18253868>Belief wasn't the issue.He literally only used the allegory to argue in favor of his own fantastical beliefs.
>>18254417As a result of the territory's pathetic inability to accommodate the map, the map must *deign* to accommodate the territory, and so is evaluated by us on that basis. But make no mistake about the true hierarchy.
>>18254432Obviously he didn't create allegories that are unrelated (or contra) his beliefs. But the allegory doesn't make you conclude he is right. It just makes you conclude that limited scope can seem perfectly natural before it's challenged.
>>18254440Please, can we just be mature enough and put idealism in the bin where it belongs? It's like an ugly demon which keep popping up.
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