>So that in such a state riches will necessarily be in general esteem, particularly if the men are governed by their wives, which has been the case with many a brave and warlike people except the Celts, and those other nations, if there are any such, who openly practise pederasty. And the first mythologists seem not improperly to have joined Ares and Aphrodite together; for all nations of this character are greatly addicted either to the love of women or of boys— Aristotle, Politics II 6 (1269b xxii-xxxii)>Although their wives are comely, they have very little to do with them, but rage with lust, in outlandish fashion, for the embraces of males. It is their practice to sleep upon the ground on the skins of wild beasts and to tumble with a catamite on each side.[2] And the most astonishing thing of all is that they feel no concern for their proper dignity, but prostitute to others without a qualm the flower of their bodies; nor do they consider this a disgraceful thing to do, but rather when anyone of them is thus approached and refuses the favour offered him, this they consider an act of dishonour.— Diodoros of Sicily, Library of History V 32 vii >And the following, too, is one of the things that are repeated over and over again, namely, that not only are all Celti fond of strife, but among them it is considered no disgrace for the young to be prodigal of their youthful charms.— Strabon, Geography IV 4 vi
>>18254143sounds like the Greeks were projecting
>Under this arrangement, the remainder of the first quarter, by which I mean the European quarter, situated in the north-west of the inhabited world, is in familiarity with the north-western triangle, Aries, Leo, and Sagittarius, and is governed, as one would expect, by the lords of the triangle, Jupiter and Mars, occidental. In terms of whole nations these parts consist of Britain, (Transalpine) Gaul, Germany, Bastarnia, Italy, (Cisalpine) Gaul, Apulia, Sicily, Tyrrhenia, Celtica, and Spain. […]>However, because of the occidental aspect of Jupiter and Mars, and furthermore because the first parts of the aforesaid triangle are masculine and the latter parts feminine, they are without passion for women, and look down upon the pleasures of love, but are better satisfied with and more desirous of masculine association. And they do not regard the act as a disgrace to the paramour, nor indeed do they actually become effeminate and soft thereby, because their disposition is not perverted, but they retain in their souls manliness, helpfulness, good faith, love of kinsmen, and benevolence.— Claudius Ptolemy, Tetrabiblos II 3 lxi-lxii>So too the Celts, even though they have the most beautiful women of all the barbarians, prefer sex with boys; as a result, some of them routinely sleep on their animal-skins with two boyfriends.— Athenaios, The Learned Banqueters 603a
>Among the Gauls the youths give themselves as wives openly, not regarding this as a matter of reproach, because of the law among them. Yet it cannot possibly have been the lot of all in Gaul who thus impiously suffer outrage to have the morning-star with Mercury setting in the houses of Saturn and regions of Mars at their nativities. […]>Thus their nativity does not compel […] the Gauls to cease from giving themselves as wives, […]And what shall we say concerning the sect of the Christians? […] And neither in Parthia do the Christians, Parthians though they are, practise polygamy, […] nor among the Bactrians and the Gauls do they profane marriage,— The Book of the Laws of Countries 25-27
>>18254145All anti-Nordic cope is either from jews or medkeks.
>>18254152>but are better satisfied with and more desirous of masculine association. And they do not regard the act as a disgrace to the paramour, nor indeed do they actually become effeminate and soft thereby, because their disposition is not perverted, but they retain in their souls manliness, helpfulness, good faith, love of kinsmen, and benevolence.Literally me. Best people to be in charge of the world.
>Literally me. Best people to be in charge of the world.
>>18254464>t. mother goddess shill
>>18254464>Men who are sections of the male pursue the masculine, and so long as their boyhood lasts they show themselves to be slices of the male by making friends with men and delighting to lie with them and to be clasped in men's embraces; these are the finest boys and striplings, for they have the most manly nature. Some say they are shameless creatures, but falsely: for their behavior is due not to shamelessness but to daring, manliness, and virility, since they are quick to welcome their like. Sure evidence of this is the fact that on reaching maturity these alone prove in a public career to be men. So when they come to man's estate they are boy-lovers, and have no natural interest in wiving and getting children, but only do these things under stress of custom; they are quite contented to live together unwedded all their days. A man of this sort is at any rate born to be a lover of boys or the willing mate of a man, eagerly greeting his own kind.— Plato, Symposium 191e-192d
For me it's SocratesxPlato
>>18255056This never happened tho.
>>18255237Nah Plato reads like victim coping >I was in control, I initiated it, I wanted it! Sad, and P*losophers worship this freak. At least Alexander broke the cycle of abuse.
>>18255261>At least Alexander broke the cycle of abuse.lol
>>18254162The continental Celts were genetically MediterraneanThey probably opened their business wide for Germanic BWC when invaded during the migration era
>>18254143So French faggotry is indigenous French culture and not a medkek import from the enlightenment? Interesting theory.
>>18255308Everything related to the gauloids is gross Remember too cuckoldry, negrophilia, feminism and wokeness comes from the French
>>18255311So do eugenics and scientific racism.
>>18255317False.Those are from germanics.The Gaulish races are literally need to be liquidatedThe Gaulish revolt against their Frankish elite (french revolution) is the cause of Europe decadence
>>18255319You mean the Frankish elite that allied with moslems to better slaughter Germans and Italians? Fuck them, the Bourbons getting their heads chopped off in front of a cheering crowd was one of histories most satisfying justices.
>>18255323Reminder that the French and the British saved the ottomans from being conquered by Russia btwThe Gaulish pigs are a scourge upon earth
>>18255325Bourbon and Tudor pigs did nothing but stab Europeans and Christians in the back while fawning over Turkish pederasts. The Habsburgs were the true champions of Europe. Everywhere the Habsburgs ruled, humanity thrived.
>>18255328The Crimean war was AFTER the revolutionAll the making of Gaulish apes
>>18255330I am talking about the Great Turkish War. The Aryan-Germanic Habsburg-Romanov alliance was about to kick the Turk out of the Balkans and liberate Constantinople but Lois just had to chimp out for no reason. Would have been really awkward if his court was the only one in Europe full of queer faggots.
>>18255334Whenever Anglos and the French unite it's always for the worst and most stupid reasons imaginable that usually makes everyone else's lives considerably worse for the next few generations. Sometimes I think two people groups are just meant to fight each other, it is some sort of cosmic balance that has been arrived at through the centuries, and if this pact is defied we are cursed for a little bit because of it.
>>18255319>The Gaulish revolt against their Frankish elitemore like the Gaulish revolt against their Gallo-Roman elite
>>18254143I want to lick his face and smell his hair
>>18256048You could if you were a Gaul.
>>18256898Or Roman
>>18256937Or Greek.
>>18254145northwest euros have pedo rings to this day tho
>>182556204 person's in this picture have Italian parents or grandparents4 of them look germanixGallo Romans were the servant and eunuch class
>>18254143>Why was pederasty so common amongst the Celts?because boys are sexy
>>18257850Fuck off pedo
>>18254143D&C shill thread made by jew
>>18254143seems like the natural order of things, fuck boys (who like it) and protect girls
>>18258867>protect girlsThey get sold or offered for marriages around the same age, though
>>18254143Sexual bonding is just like any other kind of bonding. If the young person says yes to it, its morally neutral.
>>18259003If I convince a retard to give me 20 dollars does that also make it morally neutral?
>>18259010So long as you act with honesty, yes. Its his 20 to do with what he wants.
>>18254143Notice how these are people talking about other groups of people they didn't like.>>18255039>Some say they are shameless creaturesThis was common sense stuff even back then. Apart from libertine type hedonists.
>>18259019Why does honesty matter if I'm robbing someone? Wouldn't holding yourself to some idea of moral practice just make you a less efficient thief?
>>18254143You aren't ready to accept that it was common everywhere.
>>18258823>posting ancient historical sources is D&C>>18259003There is currently a taboo against sex between legal adults and people under an arbitrary age due to feminism, so it doesn't matter how rational a position you might take on the matter, people will still become irrationally butthurt towards you. >>18259096>Notice how these are people talking about other groups of people they didn't like.Most of these sources were written by people that lived in societies where pederasty was openly practiced. Aristotle was a pederast himself and also makes complimentary remarks about the Celts.>This was common sense stuff even back thenOnly being a passive partner in a homosexual relationship and enjoying taking the passive role was viewed with any level of contempt in Greek society, and this was not a universal view, which is why the orator in that passage says "some say", rather than "all say", and why he himself takes the position that being a passive homosexual partner is manly.Feeling attraction towards beautiful male youths was expected of Greek men. What you insinuate was common sense back then was not actually common sense.
>>18259229>Only being a passive partner in a homosexual relationship and enjoying taking the passive role was viewed with any level of contempt in Greek society, and this was not a universal view, which is why the orator in that passage says "some say", rather than "all say", and why he himself takes the position that being a passive homosexual partner is manly.That just sounds like him trying to be nice about it to protect their reputation. It wasn't something people were out for blood over like today, but was generally seen as a negative personality trait. Like you would refer to a drug addict today.
>>18259247>but was generally seen as a negative personality traitNo it wasn't. Being a boylover was generally viewed as a positive personality trait in Greek society.
>>18259263If it's contemptible to be the boy, then it's contemptible to be his lover. The guy is literally coping with the fact and trying to be nice for the sake of the pathetic boys. The positions you put forward contradict each other.
>>18259273>If it's contemptible to be the boyIt wasn't.>The positions you put forward contradict each otherNo they don't. The positions I have put forth are what the majority of classicists will tell you about pederasty in ancient Greece.
>>18259274>It wasn't contemptible to be the boy>"Only being a passive partner in a homosexual relationship and enjoying taking the passive role was viewed with any level of contempt in Greek society"
>>18259276Those aren't contradictory positions. The man and the boy were expected to receive different things from a pederastic relationship, much like how men and women are expected to receive different things from sexual relationships. In many pre-feminist societies, notably Moslem ones, it's considered wrong for women to enjoy sexual activities, yet it is not viewed as wrong for either a woman or a man to partake in a sexual relationship. You might think these positions are contradictory because you are an effete, liberalized subhuman who can't comprehend non-liberal social mores.And this contempt towards males enjoying taking a passive sexual role with a man was not universal in Greek society, being more common among philosophers rather than commoners, and it certainly never drew the same level of ire as it has in judeo-Christian societies.
>>18259159Nobody said anything about robbing. You were talking about an agreed upon transfer. And by the way, that scenario is not an apple to apple comparison. Sex is not someone giving something to somone else. It’s two people giving each other, each other.
>>18259298>it's contemptible but not universally contemptibleThis just sounds like you now coping with the fact that even in your ideal society you would be still looked at like Hunter Biden smoking crack in his bed by most people except for redditors who really rather just change the subject or try to put a positive spin on it.From the examples in OP this is commonly used as an insult against a rival group. They knew. And you choose the ancient greeks as your example of an illiberal society.
>>18259305An agreed upon transfer, where one member is indisposed and the other is taking advantage of this; essentially a robbery. You are right in the sense that this isn't apples to apples though, stealing 20 dollars from someone is no biggie, not great but not terrible. Children who are sexually abused often never recover, as the OP is currently demonstrating.
>>18259318>even in your ideal society you would be still looked at like Hunter Biden smoking crack in his bed by most people except for redditorsIt was totally expected for Greek men to be attracted to boys and was not viewed as perverse at all.>From the examples in OP this is commonly used as an insult against a rival groupMost of the sources in the OP were written by people living in societies where widespread, documented pederasty existed and was accepted. They were not insulting the Celts by claiming they practiced pederasty. Half of these sources are making complimentary remarks about Celts.>>18259335>Children who are sexually abused often never recoverConsenting adult-child sex is not causally associated with psychological harm.
>>18259337Were you sexually abused as a child?
>>18259337>not viewed as perverse at allAnd yet all I hear from you and the sources is talk of shame, contempt, outlandishness, disgrace, etc. Things haven't changed so much.
>>18259348He has low theory of mind and a dizzying amount of confirmation bias, pederastyanon is a known quantity.
>>18259335What do you mean by “indisposed”? Juveniles have sexuality, and they are perfectly capable of exercising sexual agency. The system calling all sex acts “sexual abuse” is an example of Orwellian doublespeak in action. Its a manipulative abuse of language to put scenarios where the will of the child is respected, under scenarios where it isn't, under the same umbrella words. Its also disrespectful to their personhood.Speaking of abuse and harm, I think people who try to teach young people that sex is bad and evil are the true “child abusers”. If there were less religious nutjobs manufacturing moral outrage over sexually active minors and their “ruined purity”, there would be a lot less trauma stories from some of these statutory rape cases. The only reason they would regret it into adulthood is them getting caught and being raised by a young age into feeling so and so about such and such by the court appointed child shrink. Fun fact: most statutory rape cases go under radar. True statistic law enforcement admits, something like 1 in ever 4 or 5 women are estimated to be a secret “survivor”. They never report it, only 10 percent of cases are discovered by authorities. Just sharing a statistic that makes me happy. That for every headline that makes the news, theres 10 other cases of love that go unmolested by the puritan system. Stories where two people find love despite a systematic evil forbidding it, is my favorite kind of love genre.
>>18259382Children are severely retarded until like 16 or so, they are then slightly less retarded each year until they die. This is not an argument this is a statement of fact.
>>18259348The negative sentiment expressed by the authors in these passages is exclusively towards passive homosexuals. Four of the authors are Roman/Romanized (Romans had vastly different views on pederasty than Greeks), and one is a Christian. The one non-Romanized Greek author (Aristotle) actually expresses a positive sentiment towards pederasty.>Things haven't changed so muchTwo men can get married to each other in most Western countries, so I don't know what you're talking about.
>>18259340I am not him, and I reject your usage of the word “abuse”. I consider what the puritan system does to sexually active minors to be the true grooming and abuse. That being said, to share an answer that I think you are asking. I enjoyed my sexuality years before cum could come out of my penis with an older neighborhood boy, we would suck each others dicks and take turns fucking each other in the ass. I dont know if he was old enough for me to be the legally identified “victim” however, it stopped and began when he was just about to enter HS.
>>18259387There is barely anything to understand about sex. Sex is no more knowledge intensive than riding a bike.
>>18259393Wholesome shota love <3
>>18259393lmao
>>18259393This post so perfectly encapsulates mental damage done by sexual abuse in childhood that it honestly stands alone as a perfect refutation of any argument from a pedophile. >I enjoyed my sexuality years before cum could come out of my penislike holy shit man, what a fucking trip, you typed that out and then hit post.
>>18259405>like holy shit man, what a fucking trip, you typed that out and then hit postHe enjoyed his sexuality before he hit puberty. What is a "trip" about that?
