Why is the historical Jesus so readily accepted based on a couple of records, but everyone always gets quiet when you mention those same records indicate his real father was a Roman soldier whose tomb you can actually visit?
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>>18254873>>18254907Pantera was the father of Magdalene, but also the bodyguard of Jesus' actual father Juba II while he babysat Gaius Caesar [son of Agrippa] in Galilee. Glaphyra was Jesus' adoptive stepmother, which is why jews rabidly derail the topic of Juba II. Simply because Jesus completely and utterly delegitimizes jewish "messianic" lore and Judean statehood.
>>18254907>be Mary>see hot Roman soldier chad>get knocked up>marry some old dude to cover it up>birth Yeshua>everyone still knows so Yeshua starts thinking he's the son of God>somehow Yeshua attracts some followers before getting crucified>Yeshua's followers make up stories about virgin births and miracles and resurrections>a century later some Romans notice there are some weirdo Jews who worship Yeshua>one guy looks into it and finds he is actually the son of a Roman soldier named Pantera>1,800 years later some Germans find Pantera's tombstone showing he was the right age and in the right unit to knock up Mary in ~1 BC
Post these records.
>>18254873The Panthera thing is a fake Jewish tradition and the name is meant to be a wordplay on "parthenos" ("virgin" i.e. virgin-born, it's the same root we get "Parthenon" from.)It's a shitpost. You're not meant to take it seriously. (Funnily the rabbinical tradition mentions the early church healing the dying in the name of Jesus even if they feel that autistic need to aggressively mis-name Him: "His grandson suffered from choking; there came one, whispered something in the name of Jesus ben Pantera and he could breathe. When he left, he asked him, what did you say over him? He answered, such and such words. He said, it would have been better for him had he died and not heard these words. It happened to him, like an erroneous order from a ruler." Jerusalem Talmud Shabbat 14:4Heinrich W. Guggenheimer, 1999-2015 This isn't even the only rabbinical quote I've found admitting Jesus and His followers could do legit miracles but kvetching about Jews converting because of it.)
>>18255017Pic related. Nobody familiar with literature thinks this is anything more than an insult. They like to mangle His name and origin.
>>18255009Celsus, a very intelligent man, reported this fact. Seems to make more sense that Celsus investigated this Yeshua guy than virgin births and other silly things, but people really don't like to admit that part about the historical Jesus>>18255017>Jesus did the Heimlich manuever therefore Jesus is GodLol
>>18255030I said post the report not the name of spme guy.
>>18255017Yup, it's just a bunch of seething jewboys pissing their dreidels in impotent fury and going "yeah..well...your gods mother is..is...A WHORE!!!!"
>>18255033https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/37696>Celsus also adds, That the mother of Jesus became pregnant with him through a soldier, whose name was Pant[h]eraA shame you can't read Celsus's original book since the Yeshua cultists burnt all copies beside some assmad cultist seething at his arguments 150 years after he died
>>18255017They're supposed to die rather than get Christians to heal them (again, Christ actually healing Jews and them realizing He was the Messiah was a big enough problem for numerous complaints...)"The baraita relates an incident illustrating this point. There was an incident involving ben Dama, son of Rabbi Yishmael’s sister, in which a snake bit him. And following the attack, Ya’akov of the village of Sekhanya, who was a heretic, a disciple of Jesus the Nazarene, came to treat him, but Rabbi Yishmael did not let him do so. And ben Dama said to him: Rabbi Yishmael, my brother, let him treat me, and I will be healed by him. And I will cite a verse from the Torah to prove that accepting medical treatment from a heretic is permitted in this situation. But ben Dama did not manage to complete the statement before his soul departed from his body and he died.Rabbi Yishmael recited with regard to him: Fortunate are you, ben Dama, as your body is pure and your soul departed in purity, and you did not transgress the statement of your colleagues, who would state the verse: “And who breaks through a fence, a snake shall bite him” (Ecclesiastes 10:8), i.e., one is punished for ignoring an ordinance of the Sages. This incident indicates that it is not permitted for one to accept medical treatment from a heretic even if it is clear that without it he will live only a short whileThe Gemara explains: Heresy is different, as it is enticing. In other words, it is prohibited to accept medical treatment from a heretic, as one might come to be drawn after his heresy. By contrast, receiving medical attention from a gentile is permitted if it is certain that one will die if he is not treated.1/2
>>18255017"The Master said above: You did not transgress the statement of your colleagues, who would state the verse: “And who breaks through a fence, a snake shall bite him.” The Gemara asks: But ben Dama was also bitten by a snake, even before this declaration of Rabbi Yishmael, so how can he be considered fortunate? The Gemara explains: The snake mentioned in the curse of the Sages is different, as it has no remedy whatsoever. Although ben Dama was bitten by a snake, he could have been healed.The Gemara asks: And what would ben Dama have said? What verse did he intend to cite as proof that it was permitted for him to be healed by a heretic? The verse: “You shall therefore keep My statutes, and My ordinances, which if a man do, he shall live by them” (Leviticus 18:5). This teaches that one should live by God’s mitzvot, and not that he should die by them. This verse serves as a source for the halakha that one may violate a prohibition in order to save a life."Avodah Zarah 27bThe William Davidson Talmud(Koren - Steinsaltz)2/2
>>18254907yes it was Naughtius Maximus
>>18255038If I quote an insane Jew saying that you, anon, were conceived by harlotry because I'm buttmad against you for religious reasons that doesn't make it true.
>>18254907Jesus was actually the bastard child of a Roman soldier named Tiberius Julius Abdes Pantera, we’ve even found Pantera’s gravestone in Germany. Christians can’t accept this brceuse it would destroy the legitimacy of their religion
>>18255030Others such as Emperor Julian and Porphyry of Tyre also reported that Jesus was the son of Pantera. Shame you can’t read their original works either since the Christians burnt them all leaving only a few fragments from Christian writers seething at them.
>>18255017"You know that the Christians falsely ascribe marvelous powers to Jesus the Nazarene,18 may his bones be ground to dust, such as the resurrection of the dead and other miracles. Even if we would grant them for the sake of argument, we should not be convinced by their reasoning that Jesus is the Messiah." Iggerot HaRambam, Iggeret TeimanMy dudes you guys ascribe that to Him too
>>18255062It's a meme spread by people outside the group, like the meme of Michelle Obama being a man. Us repeating it for lulz doesn't mean it's true (though it's significantly more likely Obama's married to a dude than the Panthera meme being true.) If you're trusting the rabbinical tradition, you need to see what else they wrote.
>>18254873Why do you people continue to try and shit on Christianity when ten minutes with a jstor account or an hour tooling through pirate journal articles proves you're a liar, rebbe?
>>18255017Again... Jews say He did actual miracles. "Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man, if it be lawful to call him a man; for he was a doer of wonderful works, a teacher of such men as receive the truth with pleasure." Josephus The Antiquities of the Jews 18:3:3
>>18255017Daf Shevui to Avodah Zarah 27b:5 "Most scholars interpret Jacob of Kefar Sekaniah as being a student of Jesus. Jesus was often portrayed as having healing powers....Ben Dama wants to be healed, perhaps by some sort of incantation, which is often the way that Jesus heals. But R. Ishmael does not allow him to do so because of his heresy."
>>18255017"We may be entitled to extrapolate as a continuation of that thought that the words: “one of his brethren will redeem him,” is a reference to the Messiah, descendant of David, from the tribe of Yehudah. The use of the word אחד in that verse is justified seeing that the tribe of Yehudah is unique, ‘one of a kind.’ Another meaning of the words אחד מאחיו “one of his brethren,” is that the redeemer will be of flesh and blood, a real relative born of a father and mother just as Moses had been a redeemer born of a father and a mother. ****This may be a polemic by the Midrash against the Christian concept of Jesus not being the son of a biological father and the Romans having adopted the Christian religion as their official religion in the fourth century.**** The view of the sages in the Midrash is that the wording of our paragraph clearly undermines the theological theories of the Christians" Rabbeinu Bahya, Vayikra 25:47Torah Commentary by Rabbi Bachya ben Asher, trans. Eliyahu Munk, 1998.Even Jewish sites admit the polemics are sus.
>>18255017Also although they're TMI to post here, rabbis were so mad about the virgin-birth prophecy bring fulfilled by Yeshua the Son of God they've spent countless hours redefining "virginity" (umAKSHUALLY it's a "sign" and miracle if she has a child from the first time and and she's also not a virgin if she's used a tampon or other things that are dwelt upon in great detail and added to bible stories and no we aren't perverts- HEY IS THAT A THREE-YEAR-OLD?) You can look up the medical term for virginity on Sefaria.org if you want to suffer. https://www.sefaria.org/search?q=Hymen&tab=text&tvar=1&tsort=relevance&svar=1&ssort=relevance I regret ever studying Jewish stuff because like wtf.
>>18255017ThisIt's one of numerous lies from the Pharisees to attack Jesus' status of the Messiah. The Rabbinic Jews to this day repeat this lie; it's not a coincidence that when the Jews took over American media that this lie became mainstream.
Talmudic thread.
