>97% of human accomplishment since the 14thcentury occured from men born in this region.Murray, 2003.This quote is referring to Western Europe.It comes from Human Accomplishment (2003) by Charles Murray, where he argues that about 97% of notable human accomplishments since the 14th century came from men born in Western Europe.Important context (and why the claim is controversial)Definition of “accomplishment”: Murray counted achievements using Western reference works (encyclopedias, histories of art/science). That heavily favors European figures.Access vs. ability: For most of history, education, publishing, and recognition were concentrated in Europe—especially among men—so accomplishments elsewhere were less likely to be recorded or valued.Exclusion of women and non-Europeans: Structural barriers meant many capable people never had the chance to produce or be credited for work.Timeframe matters: The 14th century onward overlaps with Europe’s colonial expansion, which amplified European influence and record-keeping.Bottom lineThe “97%” figure reflects who had access to institutions and historical recognition, not innate differences between regions or genders.Most historians and social scientists consider the statistic methodologically biased and not a neutral measure of human potential.
>>18255534>Denmark is included solely because of Bohr
Why Murray’s claim is incorrect — and why it hides achievements by people of color1. He only counted achievements recognized by Western institutionsMurray measured “accomplishment” using:- Western encyclopedias- Western academic histories- Western canons of art, science, and philosophyFor most of history, these institutions systematically excluded people of color, regardless of their contributions.So when Murray says “97%,” he’s really saying:“97% of what Europe chose to record and celebrate came from Europeans.”That is not the same as total human accomplishment.2. Most of humanity lived outside EuropeFrom the 14th century onward:Asia, Africa, the Americas, and the Islamic world contained the vast majority of the world’s population.People of color built:- Advanced mathematics, medicine, astronomy, agriculture, architecture, navigation, and engineering- Long-standing universities (Timbuktu, Nalanda, Al-Azhar)- Technologies Europe later adopted (paper, algebra, gunpowder, surgical tools, calendars)If achievement is defined as advancing human survival, knowledge, and culture, then the majority of contributions came from non-European peoples.3. Colonialism erased or absorbed non-European achievementsEuropean powers:- Destroyed records, libraries, and institutionsTook inventions and knowledge without credit- Reframed discoveries as “European” once they were formalized in European languagesExample: Medical, mathematical, and astronomical knowledge developed by people of color was often renamed, reattributed, or stripped of origin when integrated into Europe.So Murray’s data counts who got credit, not who did the work.
>>182555394. Achievement ≠ fameMurray equates accomplishment with:- Being named- Being cited- Being remembered in Western textsBut real achievement includes:- Feeding populations- Developing sustainable technologies- Creating systems that lasted centuries- Preserving knowledge across generationsBy those measures, people of color produced enormous—and often greater—collective achievements, even if individual names were not recorded in European books.5. Structural exclusion of people of color and womenEven when people of color:- Invented- Discovered- Built- TaughtThey were:- Barred from publishing- Denied authorship- Prevented from formal recognitionSo Murray’s statistic reflects power, not human capability or contribution.THE ACCURATE CONCLUSIONIt is incorrect to say Western European men produced 97% of human accomplishment because:-The definition of accomplishment was racially and culturally narrow- The method excluded most of the world- Credit was shaped by colonial power, not actual contribution- Human achievement is global and collective, and much of it came from people of colorA better statement would be:“Western European men received most of the credit in Western historical records — not that they produced most human achievement.”
The claim was that 80% of European accomplishment from 3500 BC to 1950 happened in that polygon.The book also had 97% of accomplishment in science & technology was in Europe and European offshoots (USA etc.). This is obviously more or less correct. As a smell test, why don't you go look at the history of math. In effect, 97% of progress is European (and also Jewish). Remember, finding one Persian or Japanese who contributed (of course they exist) does not refute the central thesis that almost all of math was discovered by Europeans.
what about china?
>>18255553The claim that almost all mathematics was discovered by Europeans oversimplifies the historical reality because mathematical development is cumulative and global. It is not just about isolated individuals: entire civilizations outside Europe—such as India, China, and the Islamic world—created foundational systems, methods, and concepts that shaped mathematics for centuries. For example, Indian mathematicians developed zero, the decimal system, negative numbers, and sophisticated algebraic methods; Islamic scholars systematically preserved, extended, and transmitted Greek and Indian mathematics; Chinese mathematicians advanced combinatorics, geometry, and early algorithmic thinking. These were large-scale, systematic contributions that were essential for later European developments. Therefore, the thesis that Europeans produced almost all math ignores the structural and cumulative nature of non-European mathematics and is misleading, even if single Europeans dominate the later historical record
>>18255572Doesn't matter what ChatGPT says. It's of course programmed to not produce wrongthink. What it gave you was a non-answer. Ask it if an Ashkenazi Jews and Australian Aboriginals are of equal genetic potential for intelligence and it will tell you yes. If you're interested here's a history of math textbook:https://files.catbox.moe/a1ys3b.pdfSince you're going to copy paste this into ChatGPT, the title is Mathematics and its History: A Concise Edition by John Stillwell.He effectively told the entire history of math with only brief and passing mentions to non-Europeans. Show ChatGPT the table of contents if you want. Anyway this is a boring and tired out topic.
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>>18255577I’m afraid you’re wrong about his bookEurocentrism in traditional math history- Much of what became the modern mathematical canon was formalized in Europe, especially after the Renaissance and Scientific Revolution.- Key developments like calculus, analytic geometry, number theory, probability, and modern algebra were systematized by European mathematicians.Because of this, histories written in the 20th century—including Stillwell’s—tended to emphasize Europe as the main driver of modern math, even though non-European contributions were foundational.Focus on “modern mathematics”- Stillwell’s goal is partly to explain mathematics as it exists today.Since most modern math—abstract algebra, topology, analysis—was developed in Europe or European-influenced institutions, the book naturally centers on European work.Source availability and documentation- Detailed historical records from Greek, Indian, Chinese, and Islamic mathematics exist, but many are fragmented or less integrated into the narrative of “modern math.”- Stillwell often references sources that were directly influential on European mathematics, which skews coverage toward Europe.Narrative cohesion- Writing a history that spans thousands of years and all cultures is extremely challenging.- Emphasizing European developments makes the story coherent and traceable, especially when connecting ancient Greek math to the calculus and algebra of the 17th–19th centuries.Stillwell’s Mathematics and Its History presents mathematics as almost entirely a European achievement, downplaying non-European contributions like Indian numerals, Islamic algebra, and Chinese combinatorics. By focusing on developments that led directly to modern European mathematics, the book reinforces a Eurocentric narrative that overstates Europe’s dominance and obscures the truly global roots of the subject.
>>18255534now show the one from 3000 years ago, an actually relevant timeline
>>18255534Stockholm being excluded is enough to discredit the bullshit of this conservcuck think-tank member.>>18255553How about you put your country forward instead of an entire continent?
>>18255534>97% of human accomplishment since the 14th century occured from men born in this region.What about this region? Did it accomplished nothing since 14th century?What a bunch of lies.
>>18255539>Murray measured “accomplishment” using:>- Western encyclopedias>- Western academic histories>- Western canons of art, science, and philosophyHe cross referenced the encyclopedic data with Chinese encyclopaedia chat gpt kun.
>>18255534so before the black death and muslim invasions in the east and south you were second tier. good for you, late bloomers
>>18255600Chat gpt outdid himself with this answer. Somehow looking at normal narration of history of mathematics is western biased because it in a sense is about what Europeans did with math. This implies other people's would do something else. And then it drops the but indians invented decimal system - as if the only reason for the importance of this invention wasn't the fact that later western mathematics adopted it as standard. Especially with the development of computer science the idea that base 10 system was somehow absolutely necessary is just absurd, it's ironic that of all things, a fucking machine learning algorithm would do this kind of flop.
>>18255539>>18255542>Emdash>People of color>He's not saying x, he's saying yAtleast rewrite the AI response instead of just copy pasting it
That’s a lot of words to cope with European superiority. I’m a mutt and even I can accept that Europeans invented the most.
>>18255627>How about you put your country forward instead of an entire continentHm?Within the book there was the "big 4" of Britain, France, Germany and Italy. Notable is that if you look exclusively at the very upper echelon of accomplishment according to his index (>50), Germans dominate
>>18255536Who was Jewish
>>18255534>Germany>Poland>Italy>Western Europeamerican education
>>18255661>>18255669>>18255690Seething samefag.>>18255753Yeah, and it's bullshit.>Ignores Scotland >Ignores two third of Italy>Ignores Hungary >Ignores Sweden>Somehow, the tiny upper part of Corsica makes that retarded indexBuy an ad and dilate, faggot.
>>18255534I'm inclined to agree, Nords and Meds are overrated. The middle is where its at.
>>18255534If we start it at 1600 we can probably lop off the whole bottom triangle.
>>18256526It ignores 1/3 of Italy. Basically the "algorithm" was trying to find the smallest area with the most accomplishment. 80% fit in that Polygon. That of course is not to say Scotland or Sweden didn't contribute, nor that Corsica was some powerhouse.
>>18255577>Ask it if an Ashkenazi Jews and Australian Aboriginals are of equal genetic potential for intelligence and it will tell you yes.Jesus christ it actually does.
>>18255534>>18255539>>18255542>>18255572>>18255600You’re embarrassing yourself kek
>>18255542>>18255539Using AI, a tool invented by Whites. The jokes write themselves.
>>18257548>white rats>inventing anything?it was a Jewish invention
This is so bullshit. America alone is responsible for like 40% of all great things
>>1825755795% of Americans are from those regions anyway. But yeah the true statement from that book was here>>18255553
>>18255539>From the 14th century onward:Asia, Africa, the Americas, and the Islamic world contained the vast majority of the world’s population.... and? Also "vast" is a stretch. Whites were 20-30% of the world
>>18255539>Medical, mathematical, and astronomical knowledge developed by people of color was often renamed, reattributed, or stripped of origin when integrated into Europe.Such as?
>>18255534>the incel chuds' gospel of truthKek. You guys are seething very hard.
>>18255534Of course its western based, the Gutenberg Press made knowledge available for every retard. Millions of people have anthologies of western thinkers, inventors, mathematicians in their book shelves.
>>18257896In the meanwhile shit like Ramanujans predecessors are forgotten for eternity because shitskins couldnt into preservation of wisdom.
>>18257896Chinese invented the press centuries before the german faggot adopted it form them
>>18257902Cool story bro, too bad nobody gives a fuck about learning 30000 ching chong runes to explain shit.
>>18255536Borh is worth at least three other nobel laureates desu
>>18255534> human accomplishment since the 14thI call bullshit.
>>18257968Seeing Austria separate from Germany will never not annoy me. Constant humiliation ritual for Germans lolAlso it meant strictly science & tech probably. Murray did not one-to-one compare the arts for example. Nor did he look at political/miliary/religious/explorers/etc.
>>18257968>>18257977Oh and also he's the actual statement in the book>>18255553
>>18257977Well, that makes more sense.I still feel like excluding U.S. is extra biased.
>>18255534>actually, the USA and USSR were responsible for <2% of science>also every obscure 16th century English composer was more important than Louis Armstrong
>>18257968You should filter back to 1940ish because a lot of those are actors, sportsmen and other shit nobody care about.
