>invents gunpowder>proceeds to make countless fireworks instead of using it to actually do anything of importance >the muskets and guns they do make are terrible designs and never updated over hundreds of years, and even worse they are not integrated into their military in any way, no training or drilling regiments. Just a random peasant with a primitive matchlock they can barely aim The Macartney Expedition from Britain arrives to meet with Emperor Qianlong in 1792-93 with diplomatic requests and demonstrations of British craftsmanship and technology.Qing officials rejected the requests and placed limited value on Western technology, viewing it as unnecessary alongside China’s own sophisticated culture and production. China was its own world, anything outside of it was meaningless.Some of the tech Macartney offered>Mechanical clocks, watches, and automata (complex moving models).>Optical instruments like telescopes and microscopes.>Maps, globes, and navigational tools.>modern flintlock rifles and bronze cannons All of these with the means to recreate them too. One court official demanded a demonstration of the cannon being fired as he couldn’t believe it wasn’t simply a modelSo certain they were the center of the world, the Qing politely rejected Britain’s gifts—too blind to see that the ‘barbarians’ held the keys to the next century of warfare
>>18255589Britains demands in this meeting>Britain wanted to be recognized as an equal sovereign state, not just a tributary to China.>Access to more Chinese ports beyond Canton (Guangzhou), which was the only official trading port at the time.>Permission to import and export goods more freely, particularly tea, silk, and porcelain.>They sought permanent diplomatic representation, allowing British envoys to negotiate directly with the Qing court.Qianlong politely rejected all requests, stating that China had “all things in abundance” and did not need Britain.The next 100 years would see China subjugated by all major powers. Everton from Italy to Japan would stomp on it.China’s Century of Humiliation wasn’t imposed—it was expertly self-administered, a masterclass in turning arrogance and isolation into national embarrassmentWhy? Were their eunuch mandarins and eunuchs not smart enough to see what was obvious?
Anybody else wonder why China acts like opium was some country destroying element in China? Something so bad and destructive it threatened society itself?Opium was basically legal in Britain and while there were opium dens in the cities, it never became some huge issue where the British state was scared everything was gonna fall apart over it Was china that weak it couldn’t handle a bit of opium?
>>18255595They ate rice, the british had their beef. Rice is full of opioids.
>>18255591Thank god progressives hate everything before WW2. The century of humiliation is probably the best example of conservatism destroying society.
>>18255608This is nonsense lol
>>18255589>Centuries of peace other than occasional rebellions or steppe tard incursionsWhy won't anybody invent machine guns???
>>18255663Steppeniggers would probably be quite shocked if they got shot at with a machine gun don't you think?
>>18255674You wouldn't? Where do you live? Chicago?
>>18255663They also went to war against Burma, Nepal and Vietnam in this period. Each time they went in with massive armies, only to march out claiming victory despite having achieved nothing and suffering about 5 times the casualties of their opponent. The last of these campaigns ended the same year as the Macartney Expedition. The century prior saw a series of massive wars as the Manchus conquered china.
>>18255589Qing were highly incompetent, though not every officials were like that. Those government officials were saw the writing on the wall were ignored or even censored.
>>18255663>Centuries of peacewhen the fuck did china have a single century of peace?
>>18255589>>18255591To be fair, this just sounds like the Qing didn't want to accept the British trade deal, the real reason being that it didn't benefit the Chinese ruling class (they had a trade surplus after all). "We don't need your shit" was just an excuse to get the Brits to fuck off. Many officers probably recognized that the Brits have advanced stuff but it's not like they could have predicted an armed conflict over trade.As for reverese-engineering the gifts, the opium wars happened soon after the expedition, so they didn't really have the time. After that, the Qing should have modernized but by that point much of their ruling class began dealing with Western powers and otherwise engage in corruption. Even if they had the political will, the Qing dynasty and Manchu elite were a borderline colonial establishment ruling over the Han majority who mostly hated them. Modernizing would have meant 1. increasing the power of the masses (i.e. Han subjects) who may have used it to rebel 2. breaking some traditional power structures that supported the dynasty 3. pushing through some unpopular reforms when the establishment had little legitmacy already.It's easy to see what they did as self sabotage in hindsight, but more likely they followed their short-te self-interest.
>>18255595Smoking opium with tobacco was a practice invented in China in the 16th century. It was Chinese migrants who then spread it across South East Asia. For example, during the Batavia Massacre of 1740, when soldiers of the Dutch East Indies and native Javans killed around 10000 Chinese, opium houses were burned down as they were all run by Chinese.Chinese elites mainly sourced their opium as tribute from southern neighbors, i.e. the Golden Triangle. It was late in the 18th century, as the Qing economy was on a downturn (Chinese peasants actually had among the highest living standards in the world for much of the 17th and 18th centuries, the Imperial policy was to keep taxes on peasants low and tax the rich instead, so the average peasant was happy, but there was no capitalist class like in England), opium became more popular with the masses. During the British expedition of the 1790s, one visitor noted that he saw children smoking opium in the streets. This rise in demand caused a surge in the price of opium at the only port where it could be imported, so it became very profitable for merchants from all countries to sell opium in Canton, and for producers, e.g. in India, to start growing it. Even though opium was a banned substance, Chinese officials did nothing to stop the trade (they surely colluded with the few merchant companies that were given monopolies on trade), so foreigners assumed that the opium trade was tolerated. When the Emperor sent one of his men to enforce the law, opium was seized and there were reports that British merchants feared for their lives and had to flee to their ships. This reported attack on British subjects was what made the UK declare war on China, with the goal to finally enforce their desired free trade access with protections for their citizens. The version that you usually hear today - the evil British deliberately getting the Chinese addicted to opium so they could trade it for tea - is Chinese propaganda.
>>18255589>proceeds to make countless fireworks instead of using it to actually do anything of importanceBullshit, Chinese invented the first rockets (hui jian), MLRS rocket launchers (huo jian che), first cannon, first hand cannon (handgonne) first bombs ans first landmines >and never updated over hundreds of yearsBlatant lies, Ming Chinese reverse engineered breech loading swivel cannon (Folangji) and muskets after capturing them when defeating the Portuguese at the battle of Tamão in 1521 and battle of Veniaga in 1522.The Ming also obtained Ottoman Turkish muskets separately from Central Asia.The Ming also got the designs for new hongyi pao muzzle loading cannon on the 18th century from dredging English East India company shipwrecksThey them paid the Portuguese and Jesuits for new hongyi pay cannon designsThe Qing also got Jesuits for new cannon designs in the late 18th centuryThe British in the first opium war literally said the Qing cannons were up to modern standards The Ming also obtained flintlock muskets and how to make them in the early 17th century, but the Ming and Qing both chose to standarise and mass equal matchlocks because it was cheaper>and even worse they are not integrated into their military in any way, no training or drilling regimentsBullshit, in Ming military manuals by Zhao Sizhen, Ming soldiers are shown drilling with muskets in Ottoman Turkish style, with front row kneeling and firing >Just a random peasant with a primitive matchlock they can barely aimMing and Qing China didn't use peasant conscripts dumbass.Both Ming and Qing only used full the professional soldiers who were ordered to train, drill and practice shooting full time>>18255701>Nepal and Vietnam in this period. Each time they went in with massive armies, only to march out claiming victoryThis is a lie, the Qing army in Vietnam was 20,000 ans was ambushed in New Year's and the Qing army defeated the Nepali Gurkha invasion of Tibet.
>>18255591>Access to more Chinese ports beyond Canton (Guangzhou), which was the only official trading port at the time.Allow foreign spies and missionaries (which literally led to the Taiping rebellion?)Missionaries were banned before and the moment they were let in, Taiping religion was created.>Why? Were their eunuch mandarins"Mandarins" (officials) were never eunuchs.>Everton from Italy to Japan would stomp on it.Meiji Japan mass exported Japanese teenage prostitutes (karayuki-san) to China during this time.>>18248265Chinese merchants went to Japan for sex tourism with 13 year old Japanese girls in the 17th, 18th, 19th and early 20th centuries throughout all of the Tokugawa Edo, Meiji and Taishō erasAlso Tokugawa Bakufu in Japan refused to modernise and had to be violently overthrown in a civil war (Boshin war).Japan's Kōmei emperor even supported the Tokugawa shoguns in refusing to modernise, ordering all barbarians to be expelled by using matchlocks against modern guns, leading to sonno joi movement and the western powers bombarding Japanese port cities in the 1860s.Chinese pirates also defeated Portuguese pirates in the Ningbo (Ningpo) massacre in 1857
>>18255701The Ming literally introduced the latest cannon in the 18th century against the Qing, you retard, see >>18256132The Ming used both the captured reverse engineered breach loading cannon and reverse engineered muskets form the 16th century, as well as new hongyipao muzzle loading cannon designs boight from the Portuguese and Jesuits.Ming officers like Kong Youde, Shang Kexi, Geng Zhongming who defected to the Qing brought the hongyi pao cannons to the Qing side, in exchange for Manchu Aisin Gioro princesses being married to their sonsHan bannermen wielded the muskets and cannons for the Qing, being called Ujen Coohai (heavy troops)In fact introducing the new cannons was stupid by the Ming, it enabled Qing forces to rapidly bombard walls and forts.The Qing used the Jesuit missionaries previously serving the Ming to design more new cannons.The Qing used the modern cannon against the Dzungars in Xinjiang, who also had the latest cannon (from Swedes they captured from Russia and forced to design cannon).British observers said that while the Qing used matchlock muskets, their cannons were relatively modern>>18255701The Qing literally committed genocide on Dzungars and Jinchuan people during this time and used modern cannons in both campaigns to defeat them (and Dzungars had modern western cannons too)Burmese had modern western cannons from defeating and capturing French East India company soldiers serving the Mon Hanthawaddy kingdomBurmese impaled the French officer and made the French soldiers design cannons for themQing used modern Jesuit cannons against the Burmese modern cannons, but Manchu bannermen died en masse of malaria in Burma.Qing fought Russia at Albazin in the 17th century with modern cannonsMing defeated the Dutch at Pescadores/Penghu in 1622-1624, Liaoluo bay in 1633 and Taiwan in 1661-1662 with modern cannonsQing army in Vietnam was 20,000 and outnumbered by Vietnamese and was ambushed during a new years celebration
>>18256097>For example, during the Batavia Massacre of 1740, when soldiers of the Dutch East Indies and native Javans killed around 10000 Chinese,Native Javanese sided with the Chinese retard.The people who served with the Dutch in the 1740 massacre were their Betawi slaves (creole people created by the Dutch mixing Balinese and Indonesians from other islands, moving them as slaves to Batavia(Jakarta) and mixing with them to form a creole people who spoke pidgin Malay)In the next year, the 1741 Java war broke out as Chinese rebelled en masse against the Dutch and started masaacring Dutch outposts in revenge for the 1740 Batavia massacre.Javanese Muslim natives joined the Chinese in the revolt and started slaughtering Dutch officials and soldiers and force circumcising them.The Dutch were almost overthrown as Chinese and Javanese admits swept along Java's coastThe Dutch had to beg the Madurese from neighbouring Madura Island to send troops to Java and help them defeat the Chinese and Javanese rebel forcesIn the Philippines, Chinese were allied with Moro Muslims against the Spanish and Filipinos.Contrary to westerners portraying the west as supported by all natives against Chinese.
>>18256091I sometimes wonder, and maybe chinkspammer can do something useful and tell us about it instead of explaining the exact chronological genealogy of rape in his corner of Asia, what did the Chinese actually know about Britain. Or Spain or France or even Russia if we're at it. Did they realise how far away it was? How populous? Even how their governments were ran if we're at it. I know for a fact that Europeans in the 18th century went through a degree of sinophilia where the intellectuals imagined it as a perfect meritocracy of sorts, doubtful to be true, but do we even know what was the perception the other way round?
>>18255589>>18256132Ming Chinese troops drilling in formation with musketsBi Maokang 畢懋康, Junqi Tushuo 軍器圖說 (1638)Zhao Sizhen also wrote about drilling with muskets and recommended the Ottoman Turkish formationThe Ming relied on professional militia ary households and hired mercenary The Qing Green standard Army and Eohht Banners were also full time military soldiers The were ordered to drill and train with shooting muskets and bows.China hasn't used peasant levies or conscripted peasants in nearly 1,500 years.
>>18256091Anti modernisation ("reforming" the whole society) was opposed by Han who were anti-Qing and had nothing to do with ethnic tensionsThe Han Gelaohui secret society (huidaomen) was violently anti-Manchu, and they also opposed westernisation (modernisation didn't mean adopting western technology but fundamentally destroying society and patterning it on western lines like how Japan destroyed its own culture in the Meiji restoration, destroying traditional castles and shrines and social structures in the Blood tax riots)Westernisation meant attacking Confucianism, the clan lineage and breaking down society.Manchus also disproportionately suffered most of the deaths, rapes and casualties in the Opium wars and Bixer rebellionHan Gelaohui members in Sichuan and Shaanxi never suffered any deaths or rapes in those wars, but they massacred the Manchus in Xi'an, Shaanxi along with killing western missionaries in 1911.
>>18255701The Nepalis were the ones attacking Tibet and got repulsed by the QingThe Nepalis meanwhile claimed they use Tantric Buddhist magic to remotely kill a Qing general in his camp miles away from the magician doing the ritual.It's hilarious how you would call this bullshit if a Chinese account claimed they use magic to kill a general halfway across the world, but believe the Nepali account.The Manchus were also ruled by the Ming dynasty for 200 years under under Nurgan regional military commission and Jianzhou Jurchen guard (wei-suo) system.The Ming had Jurchen eunuch slaves like Yishiha and sliced Jurchen chiefs like Wang Gao to death by 1000 cuts (slow slicing)Wang Gao was a relative of Nurhaci and the Qing also killed Nurhaci's father and grandfather.
>>18256097>>18256169https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14629472/#q14631418The Chinese who escaped the Batavia massacre began a series of revenge slaughters against Dutch posts throughout the northern coast of Java, butchering all Dutch VOC personnel one by one as they moved though each post.>Although conflict had been endemic in the intervening years, 1740 marked the beginning of an era of cataclysmic violence. The era began with a wholesale massacre of Chinese in Batavia – probably about 10,000 perished — by Dutch citizens resentful of their prosperity and stirred by VOC fears of a Chinese rebellion. Chinese bands fleeing the destruction moved along the north Java coast destroying VOC posts one by one and massacring their inhabitants. Pakubuwana II joined the rebels in attacking Semarang, while the VOC formed an alliance with the Cakraningrats.
>>18256097>>18256169>>18256234As this page says, it was slaves from other islands brought to Java who were with the Dutch in the massacre, not Javanese.The revenge slaughters by the Chinese against the Dutch. Dutch women were sexually enslaved after the men were killed.>The fighting which now began in Java was to last, almost without interruption, for seventeen years. The Chinese who escaped the slaughter in Batavia headed eastwards along the coast and joined compatriots who had already begun hostilities there. They overran the VOC post at Juwana in May 1741. The VOC's coastal headquarters at Sémarang was besieged and other posts threatened. The post at Démak was withdrawn in May 1741. An attempt was made in June to withdraw the VOC post at Rémbang, but it was completely cut off and in July the VOC personnel there were massacred.
>>18256097>>18256169>>18256234>>18256239And then the Chinese and Javanese revolted in 1741 in revenge for the 1740 Batavia massacre and Dutch men were massacred and Dutch women were distributed as sex slaves.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_War_(1741–1743)#Siege_of_Semarang_and_Dutch_losses>On 9 July Pakubuwono II ordered the execution of Prince Tepasana and another younger brother, accused of being informants for Velsen; their families, including Tepasana's preteen son Raden Mas Garendi, were exiled.[39] Pakubuwono II soon afterwards openly showed his support for the Chinese rebellion in July with a sneak attack.[33][37] His troops entered the Dutch garrison in town, under the pretension of helping to prepare for a Chinese attack, on 20 July.[37] Once inside, the Javanese soldiers opened fire, surprising the Dutch; despite being caught unaware and losing thirty-five men in the initial attack, the Dutch were able to hold out for three weeks.[37][40] However, after the Chinese joined the battle, the garrison soon fell, with Velsen being executed and other surviving troops being given the choice (or forced) to convert to Islam or be killed.[33][37] They circumcised the Dutch and the Javanese seized the Dutch children and women as booty after executing the Dutch leader.[41][42] Meanwhile, Khe Pandjang's troops were driven out of Bekasi and joined with 1,000 soldiers under the command of Captain Ismail to capture Tegal.[33]The CIA created a myth during the Cold war that natives in SEA only hate Chinese, falsely claiming Javanese supported the Dutch in the Batavia massacre.The Javanese were with the Chinese and massacring the Dutch.
>>18256234>>18256239>>18256247How many more posts are you going to make? I only wrote 'Javanese' because 'Indonesians' would be anachronistic and I wanted to refer to non-European, non-Chinese inhabitants of Batavia. If absolutely no ethnically Javanese people were involved on the Dutch side, then I stand corrected.
>>18255589>Chinese self sabotage>Entire post is about the Manchu dynasty. Which famously excluded the Chinese from governance as much as they possibly could.Though I think the Qing Dynasty is a fascinating state. It should not be used to talk about the common behaviour of 'China' as an entity. Because the Manchu weren't part of it and preferred inner asia to the chinese.Chinkspammer please save the copypasta, no one reads those.>>18256261As many as it takes for the honor of Shina to be restored, probably. He does this in every single thread about China, just ignore him. He is also predictable. After this post he will invariable bring up his gay lover, the Iraqi Pedophile living in Sweden.
>>18256459>Because the Manchu weren't part of it and preferred inner asia to the chinese.Manchus stationed Han Green standard army soldiers in Lhasa, Tibet and in Xinjiang where they fucked Tibetan and Uyghur womenTibetan and Uyghur troops were never stationed in Han cities.Manchus imposed one of the worst apartheid systems on ethnic Mongols in Inner Mongolia and Outer Mongolia, forbidding Mongols from crossing into other Mongol leagues or karuns or they would be enslaved Manchus genocided the "Inner Asian" Dzungar Oirat Mongol nomads Manchus suffered the biggest massacres and rapes at the hands of westerners in the Opium wars and Boxer rebellion
>>18256459>>18256743Any Mongols who tried to violate Manchu apartheid borders were severely punished.https://books.openedition.org/obp/1527?lang=en>On the other hand, this ethnically-unified Mongolia was not to be a unitary political entity.10 Instead, they were subdivided into numerous smaller units, from aimag (tribes) and chuulgan (leagues) to hoshuun (banners). The six leagues of inner jasag (later known as Inner Mongolia) were divided into 49 banners, and the Khalkha (later known as Outer Mongolia) were divided into 81 banners. There were also numerous other banners outside the two large entities. Borders were demarcated and policed between tribes, leagues and even between banners. Karun (M. Haruul, C. Kalun) border control stations were set up along borders, and stone cairns called oboo were built between karuns. At strategic places, each karun was manned by 30–40 soldiers from Manchu garrison armies stationed in Suiyuan, Ningxia, Uliastai and other places; they would patrol along the border every day to the oboo between karuns, where they exchanged information with patrols from the other karun. This was called khaich yavakh, scissor-walking, a metaphor implying that the soldiers were cutting the borderline like scissors, making a radical partition. These karuns and oboos would be checked by Manchu garrison generals once a month and they would be inspected by officials from the Lifan Yuan in Beijing occasionally. No tribal, league, or banner nobles and subjects were permitted to cross banner borders, nor were they allowed to marry across banners without authorization. The karun guards would make their record every day and the inspection report would be sent to Beijing regularly (Baoyinchaoketu 2003).
>>18256459>>18256743>>18256747>Punishment was severe for any violations of borders, trespassing either into “neidi”, that is, inland China, or into other’s territory. For instance, Daqing Huidian Shili, published in the twenty-third year of Jiaqing reign (1814), recorded the following: “Originally, should there be border violations from Mongolia, a prince would be fined 10 horses, zasag, beile, beizi, and gong 7 horses, taiji five horses, and commoner, a cattle”. By the second decade of the nineteenth century, the fine had been increased tenfold for aristocrats, and a commoner would lose all his property, including himself, which would be awarded to the whistle-blower (Huidianguan 2006: vol. 979, pp. 237–39). The fine soared further towards the end of the Qing, betraying an increase in violations and their seriousness.11Manchus loved Inner Asia so much, they imposed apartheid on Mongols and forbade them from even crossing their own internal administrative divisionsWhite Afrikaners didn't even stop Blacks from going into each others Bantustans in South Africa.
Qing dynasty made local civilians in Beijing leave the city in 1644 and put Manchu bannermen and Mongol bannermen in the city. The bigger inner part of Beijing became a Manchu majority cityEight Nation alliance sacked Beijing in 1900, including western, Indian and Bengali soldiers in British armyHan generals Yuan Shikai, Li Hongzhang Zhang Zhidong refused to aid Beijing Manchustranslated excerpts from this article on the rape and torture Manchus and Mongol banner people went throughhttps://book.vik.im/index.php?id=610446609743&display=fulltext&p=276>Yulu (Manchu bannerman of the Hitara clan) was brutally retaliated against. All his seven daughters were taken to the Temple of Heaven and gang-raped, and then forced to become "official prostitutes"; more than a dozen female relatives of ChengEn Duke Chongqi (Mongol bannerman of the Alute clan) were gang-raped, and the crazy soldiers did not even spare the old ladies; the widowed wife of Wenhua Palace Grand Secretary Woren (Mongol bannerman of the Ucigeri clan) died after being abused and tortured. She was 90 years old at the time. The Indian and Bengali soldiers stripped the captured women of their clothes, molested them, and kept asking, "Why are you so white? Why am I so black?" After the gang rape, they cut off the women's breasts, stuck them on bayonets, and left.1,700 Manchu royals from the Aisin Gioro family, noble families and officials set themselves and their families on fire as they were being raped and humiliated.>Prince Yi Aixinjueluo Pujing and his family of more than 100 people set themselves on fire;>Dozens of people including Prince Duolo Keqin Aixinjueluo Jinqi committed suicide by taking poison;>More than 100 members of the family of Cheng'en Chongqi set themselves on fire. Chongqi, who was over 70 years old, had already fled to Baoding, but committed suicide after hearing the news.
Three thousand more posts until the collective honor of China is restored, chinee man.[Making posts like these make you look incredibly mind raped by groups that basically don't exist anymore, btw].
>>18256459>>18256743Manchus like the Qing emperors themselves used Chinese personal names like Hongli, every Qing emperors and prince after the Shunzhi emperors used a Chinese personal nameNot a single one used a Tibetan name and no Manchu names were used after ShunzhiAlso Manchu commoners worshipped the Han Chinese general Guan Yu was their national god in their shamanic religion as Guwan Mafa. Guan Yu is the god of war.The Qing emperor Hongtaiji ordered all Manchus to worship Guan Yu.Manchu commoners never followed Tibetan Buddhism, unlike Mongols.Manchu emperors like Hongtaiji insulted Mongols for following Tibetan Buddhism, mocking them for using foreign Yibetan names and calling the Tibetan Lamas as incorrigible liars.Qianlong emperor said he used Lamas to control the Mongols in Lama Shuo and never believed in Lamaism.Qianlong banned ethnic Mongols from being reincarnated as the Jebtsundamba Khutuktu Lama in order to control the MongolsQing government ordered Chinese Confucian classics translated into Manchu along with the novel Romance of the Three Kingdoms (where Han general Guan Yu is portrayed as a hero).Manchu bannermen were ordered to read Romance of the Three Kingdoms as a military strategy text and read Confucian classics.Not a single Tibetan Buddhist text or Uyghur Sufi Islamic text was translated into ManchuManchu Bannermen spoke Mandarin in addition to ManchuThe number of Manchu bannermen who spoke Uyghur or Tibetan was close to zero (Manchu officials like Sucheng did rape Uyghur girls though)Han banner generals like Nian Gengyao were married to Manchu Aisin Gioro royal women.Not a single Uyghur or Tibetan married a Manchu woman, let alone an Aisin Gioro.Your propaganda doesn't work here.American troops raped and massacred Manchus in Beijing in the Boxer rebellion in 1900, including Aisin GioroThe US 9th infantry regiment does the Manchu mile to mock their Manchu victims.
>>18256779You're trying to falsely portray westerners as allies of ethnic minorities in China and pretend ethnic minorities in China support each other.Uyghur textbooks literally seethe about Manchus raping Uyghur girls (tale of the seven maidens in Uchturpan where Manchu official Sucheng and his son gang raped Uyghur girls in 1765)Han officials forced Uyghurs to stop praising the seven Uyghur maidens and burned the Uyghur textbook whining about Manchu rapesThe US then accused China of cultural genocide for censoring facts about Manchu raping Uughurs in textbooks.Tibetans still seethe about the Qing campaigns, Manchus slicing Tibetan rebels to death in Lhasa in 1728 and 1751.Han people forced Tibetans to stop whining about Manchus.
>>18255589>Some of the tech Macartney offeredAll of them baubles. And the Chinese weren't stupid enough to fall for it, and the British still seethe to this day.China's only self-sabotage was not forcing Britain to commit to a land war that they had no hope of winning, something they paid dearly for. But that time is over now.
>>18256787>Han people forced Tibetans to stop whining about Manchus.By doing the exact same thing Manchus did. Now Tibetans whine about the Han.
>>18256787I am not. I just think you are insanely pathetic for focusing your incredible talent for research especifically on searching instances of your ethnic group 'winning' over perceived enemies. Or conversely, searching for perceived enemies 'losing'. And to be honest, you do it like a chimp.
>>18256813It's literally BAP (Costin Alamariu) propaganda that Manchus respected Uyghurs, Tibetans and Mongols and only hated Han.BAP is connected to fellow Romanian Jew Edward Luttwack at the US Pentagon war department who repeats the same propaganda.Manchus tortured and raped Uyghurs and Tibetans.Uyghur Sufi jihad leader Jahangir Khoja was tortured by Manchus until he became a babbling wreck and then was slow sliced to death (death by 1000 cuts)David G. Atwill tries to falsely claim Han massacred Hui Muslims in Yunnan after falsely promising them amnesty in his famous book on the Hui Panthay rebellion.The Qing official who did that was ethnic Zhuang, Cen Yuying. Atwill falsely calls him Han in order to claim Han are treacherous liars who hate ethnic minorities.According to western propagandists, all ethnic minorities in China are united against "evil Han" and they are waiting for westerners to rescue them.
>>18256813>>18256827In the 1930s in Xinjiang and Tibet, Kazakhs and Hui/Tibetans/Oirat Mongols slaughtered each other.Because some Kazakh refugees decided to flee the famine by crossing the Soviet-China border into Xinjiang, Gansu, Qinghai and Tibet to get to British India.The Kazakh apparently antagonized everyone so badly that the Hui Muslims (Tungan), Mongol Oirat and Tibetans all got pissed off so much at the Kazakhs they started slaughtering each other (Kazakhs say the Hui, Mongol Oirats and Tibetans slaughtered Kazakhs while the Hui, Tibetans and Mongol Oirats described the Kazakhs as subhuman scum who started massacred against them first.The American CIA agent Douglas MacKiernan dressed up as a Kazakh inciting Insurgency in Xinjiang, but he tried to escape China through Tibet and waa arrested was killed by Tibetan soldiers of the 14th Dalai Lama's army since they killed Kazakhs on site.Because Douglas literally swallowed the propaganda that ethnic minorities in China all love each other and only hate Han.That was actual American propaganda that all the Mongols Kazakhs and Tibetans were getting ready to unite against Han (contrary to reality where Tibetans killed Kazakhs)https://desuarchive.org/qa/thread/5231256/#q5231582Considering the fact that the US is in the middle of a propaganda campaign against China and claiming Kazakhs are victims, bringing up the fact that almost every other ethnic minority thought Kazakhs were lunatic baboons is very inconvenient.Kazakhs also attacked and massacred Hui people two years ago in 2020 in southeast Kazakhstan.The infamous Oirat Mongol leader Ja Lama skinned two Kazakhs alive and used their skins as a meditation mat, Kazakhs are also steppe nomads like the Mongols.http://tibetanbuddhistencyclopedia.com/en/index.php/Life_of_Ja_Lama
>>18256832what year do you think it is
>>18256827Also the Manchu official Shuxinga and another Manchu organised a massacre of Hui Muslims in Yunnan before the war.Genghis Khan massacred Jurchens (Manchus) and took Jurchen princess Qiguo as a concubine.Also the Mongolic Khitan Western Liao (Qara Khitai) which ruled Central Asian Muslims but didn't rule an inch of Han lands or provinces, kept their Chinese dynastic name, Chinese reign and temple names for their emperors as well as Chinese as a co-official language.They were located in Uzbekistan and Kyrgyzstan.This flies in the face of western historians who developed "New Qing History" claiming non-Han dynasties only used Chinese language and titles in Han provinces and never used it in non-Han areas.Qing never treated Uyghurs and Tibetans as equal to Han, Qing Imperial edicts were in Chinese and Manchu but not in Uyghur or TibetanQing emperors never practiced Uyghur Sufi rituals or used Tibetan or Uyghur namesQing royals used Chinese personal names like Hongli and carried out only carried out Manchu and Chinese ceremonies like at the temple of heavenIt's a lie of New Qing history that Uyghurs and Tibetans were treated as co-equals of HanOther features that New Qing history claimed were unique to Manchus were literally done by Han dynasties.Han emperors did Imperial hunts, since the Shang and Zhou.Song and Ming emperors both had hunting parks in the capital and military review parades.Ming emperors used Tibetan Buddhism to control Mongols like Qing emperors did.Ming Yongle emperor printed Tibetan Buddhist texts in Beijing.None of these were unique to the Qing.
>>18256777Jurchen (Manchu) rebel leader Wang Gao was sliced to death (lingchi aka death by a thousand cuts) by Han Chinese during the Mimg dynasty.His sons Atai 阿台 and Ahai 阿海were both killed.>Wang Gao (王杲): a Jianzhou Jurchen awarded a position of command in Jianzhou. He was put to death by lingchi at Beijing in 1575 due to repeated raids into Ming border territories. He is said to be Nurhaci's maternal great-grandfather or maternal grandfather.Jurchens (Manchus) like Yishiha were castrated as eunuch slaves by Han Chinese.>Yishiha (Chinese: 亦失哈; Wade–Giles: Ishiha/I-shih-ha; also rendered as Išiqa and Isiha;[1] Jurchen: i ʃï xa[2]) (fl. 1409–1451), sinicized name Yi Xin (易信), was a Jurchen eunuch of the Ming dynasty of China. He served the Ming emperors who commissioned several expeditions down the Songhua and Amur Rivers during the period of Ming rule of Manchuria,[1][3] and is credited with the construction of the only two Ming dynasty Buddhist temples ever built on the territory of present-day Russia.[4]>It is believed that Yishiha was a Haixi Jurchen by origin,[1][5] and was captured by the Ming forces in the late 14th century.[1] He worked under two important eunuchs, Wang Zhen and Cao Jixiang. It is speculated by modern historians that he rose to prominence by participating in imperial court politics and serving the Yongle Emperor's concubines of Manchu (Jurchen) origin.[6][7]
>>18257112Map of China in 1415, Han Chinese men ruling and having sex with both Vietnamese and Jianzhou Jurchens (Manchus). Manchuria was ruled as Nurgan regional military commission and Vietnam was ruled as Jiaozhi province by Ming dynasty.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nurgan_Regional_Military_CommissionThe Ming had Jurchen (Manchu) and Vietnamese eunuchs and concubines when it ruled both of them at this time.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yishiha>Yishiha (Chinese: 亦失哈; Wade–Giles: Ishiha/I-shih-ha; also Išiqa or Isiha[1] Jurchen: Yishiha.svg i ʃï xa[2]) (fl. 1409–1451) was a Jurchen eunuch in the service of the Ming dynasty emperors who carried out several expeditions down the Songhua and Amur Rivers during the period of Ming rule of Manchuria,[1][3] and is credited with the construction of the only two Ming dynasty Buddhist temples ever built on the territory of present-day Russia.[4]>It is believed that Yishiha was a Haixi Jurchen by origin,[1][5] and was captured by the Ming forces in the late 14th century.[1] He worked under two important eunuchs, Wang Zhen and Cao Jixiang. It is speculated by modern historians that he rose to prominence by participating in imperial court politics and serving the Yongle Emperor's concubines of Manchu (Jurchen) origin.[6][7]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nguy%E1%BB%85n_An>Nguyễn An (Sino-Vietnamese 阮安; died 1453), known in Chinese as Ruan An (pinyin)[1] or Juan An[2] (Wade-Giles), was a Ming dynasty eunuch, architect, and hydraulics specialist between the first and fifth decades of the 15th century. Born in Vietnam, he was taken as tribute from Vietnam to China and later became a eunuch and architect in service to the Chinese emperors. He, along with numerous architects, such as master designers and planners Cai Xin (蔡信), Chen Gui (陳珪), and Wu Zhong (吳中), master carpenter Kuai Xiang (蒯祥), and master mason Lu Xiang (陸祥), was an important builder[3] of the Forbidden City in Beijing.[4]
>>18257112>>18257114Japanese women and girls got raped by Jurchens (Manchus) en masse in the Toi pirate raids.Under Ming dynasty southern Han Chinese rule, Jurchens (Manchus) were forced to sell their daughters or starve to death in famine during the ninth 9th year of the Ming Xuande emperor's reign.>宣德九年,女真地区灾荒,女真人被迫卖儿鬻女,四处流亡,逃向辽东的女真难民,希望得到官府的赈济。针对这一情况,亦失哈急忙上疏,请求动用贮存在这里作为赏赐奴儿干的粮食和物资,赈济前来求食的难民。英宗立即批准了他的请求。除此之外,亦失哈还动用个人的积存,救济难民。The Ming Yongle emperor already had Jurchen women and Vietnamese women as concubines and Jurchen eunuchs like Yishiha and Vietnamese eunuchs like Nguyen An after conquering Manchuria ruling it as the Nurgan regional military commission and conquering Vietnam, ruling it as Jiaozhi. Both Vietnamese and Jurchens women were having sex with Han Chinese men.Jurchen Toi pirates once got on ships and raided Japan for girls to take and rape as concubines and sex slaves.>The Toi pirates sailed with about 50 ships from direction of Goryeo, then assaulted Tsushima and Iki, starting 27 March 1019. After the Iki Island garrison comprising 147 soldiers was wiped out, the pirates has proceed to Hakata Bay. For a week, using Noko Island [ja] in the Hakata Bay as a base, they sacked villages and kidnapped over 1,000 Japanese, mostly women and young girls, for use as slaves.>1019 Michinaga falls ill and takes holy orders, but continues to dominate the court.>Toi (Jurchen)pirates in fifty or more ships ravage Tshushima, Iki, and the northern coast of Kyushu.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/8101383#p8101398https://s2.desu-usergeneratedcontent.xyz/his/image/1581/93/1581937580379.png
>>18257117Uyghur textbooks literally seethe about Manchus raping Uyghur girls (tale of the seven maidens in Uchturpan where Manchu official Sucheng and his son gang raped Uyghur girls in 1765)Han officials forced Uyghurs to stop praising the seven Uyghur maidens and burned the Uyghur textbook whining about Manchu rapesThe US then accused China of cultural genocide for censoring facts about Manchu raping Uughurs in textbooks.Tibetans still seethe about the Qing campaigns, Manchus slicing Tibetan rebels to death in Lhasa in 1728 and 1751.Han people forced Tibetans to stop whining about Manchus.Manchus tortured and raped Uyghurs and Tibetans.Uyghur Sufi jihad leader Jahangir Khoja was tortured by Manchus until he became a babbling wreck and then was slow sliced to death (death by 1000 cuts)https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9495112/#q9498664Manchu rape of Uyghur Muslim women caused the rebellions>>9498664
