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sigmagine, omehow, the entente wins this alternative ww1. How does europe look afterwards?
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>>18256393
More or less the same as it did historically. Hungro-Hungary would be destroyed early on, and if the entente wins Russia collapses and Germany gets dismembered the same way they did irl. The only difference would be the middle east, which would stay under Turkish rule.
Though of course the entente would be very unlikely to win this in the first place.
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>>18256393
There is no possible world in which Hungro-Hungary would just join an alliance that would make enemies out of literally all its neighbors.
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>>18256418
Irl, Germany backed Austria-Hungary against Russian ambitions in the Balkans, which led to Russia aligning with France.
In a hypothetical scenario where Germany backed Russia instead, Austria-Hungary would have to go to France. Once the war started, even if they didn't join by themselves, Germany and Russia would likely occupy them to avoid having a massive unprotected flank.
What doesn't make sense is them losing Austria while keeping the rest of it together, there's no chance of that happening. Either Austria-Hungary would still be whole or it would already have been divided between German and Russian puppet states.
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>>18256433
Russia now militarily shit without France financial. Entente would support A-H logistic.
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>>18256393
>>18256517
This reeks of magyar delusion
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>>18257600
Gypsy cope
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>>18256393
Bulgarian would go revenge war with Serbia and Ottoman Turks
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>>18256433
Super-Hungary would probably do what Bulgaria did in ww2, sign an alliance agreement and formally enter the war on Germany's side, but do literally nothing while having secret negotiations with the other side to remain de facto neutral.
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>>18257749
Also yeah, while there is an alternate history where Hungary and the crown lands of St. Stephen become independent (including Slovakia, Transylvania, North Croatia and Banat), I don't see how Czechia and Galicia, etc. would join them as those were Austrian properties.
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>>18256404
>Though of course the entente would be very unlikely to win this in the first place.
I'd argue the entente has a decent chance.
Once Austria-Hungary falls Russia doesn't really have any reason to continue working with Germany. Certainly they would gain nothing by sending men to the western front. And even if they were to send men it would be a token force especially as they have more fronts of their own, against Turkey in the south, Japan in the east, and possibly something in Iran/India. Though the first had it's problems historically, and here the Turks wouldn't have other fronts to worry about (this is ignoring Bulgaria, as I don't know why it'd join the central powers here. The only thing they might gain is Constantinople, which the Russians would want themselves. Historically the Russians vetoed a Greek proposal to join on the side of the entente because they didn't want any postwar competition over that city.) it had already lost a war against Japan, and in India/Iran the geography is against them
Italy meanwhile would almost be a net negative to the central powers. We need not even mention the British as their navy was about equal to A-H, nevermind France. Without control of the sea their islands and colonies would be cut off, forcing the Italians to move their army to defend their entire coastline, leaving very few troops to the already highly defensable mountain front. This means the entente need relatively little manpower to hold Italy at bay
That would leave the war in the west effectively being just France/UK against Germany. Germany facing different circumstances presumably wouldn't have started with the schlieffen plan, so wouldn't have a as advantageous position in France, and would also have to spare some soldiers in the occupation of A-H. But would find itself in a better position as the war goes on, avoiding the worst parts of the British blockade. But does this make up for their worst position? I think it could easily go either way
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>>18257766
The big differences for Germany are no two-front war (at least not for very long) and a much less effective blockade, the latter of which is what ultimately decided the war.
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>>18257806
Germany lost because they lost on the battlefield, both in the west and, much more crucially, in the Balkans. The blockade was a major factor but in the end it was not the deciding one.
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>>18256393
Awful soulless map.

I want Germany, Italy and A-H vs. UK, France an Russia conflict only.
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>>18257749
>Super-Hungary
They're literally a rump state being constantly humilliated for clay by russian allies the war would probably start over bulgaria trying to take Constantinople
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>>18257819
>Germany lost because they lost on the battlefield
The war on the front lines was very far from over, the entente hadn't even made it to the German border yet. Mutinies in the navy and treason in Berlin are what ended the war.



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