1/2I found a really cool article about Pelasgians.First of all, I'm a layman in linguistics, so don't be arrogant with me When we talk about Pelasgians, we usually think of some pre-Iberian Greek EEFoid tribe generally based on somewhat vague meanings of being a word for "Aegean aborigine," at least that's what Wikipedia says, and it seems that the Greeks always treated them as a kind of autochthonous people of the place. Okay. But it turns out that I discovered that many linguists don't reduce "them" to a mere type of Neolithic gay people Apparently, they were Indo-Europeans chuds
>>182568532/2A guy named Georgiev positioned Pelasgian between Albanian and Armenian, and correlated it with archaeological cultures from the Bronze Age. Which is kino in my view. It seems that some Greek words, such as θεός ('god') and ἄνθρωπος ('man'), have Pelasgian roots. The Pelasgian language may be a Greek dialect or a similar Paleo-Balkan language, with two preserved words that attest to its similarity to Greek. And Georgiev says that Pelasgian is satem of Greek, and is positioned between Albanian and Armenian, and the relationship between Proto-Greeks and Armenians from the Yamanya is already known, and there is a theory attributing the cultures of the Early Helladic and Early Minoan to the Pelasgians. Which I think is fair.Herodotus said that the Pelasgians were the fathers of the Greeks and cites the Pelasgian word for 'god', which shares phonetic characteristics with the Greek word for 'man'. Its over
>>18256853>we usually think of some pre-Iberian GreekPre-IE* not iberian Sorry, I mean, I'm French and I write everything in my notepad and use Google Translate to correct possible errors, but sometimes this crap puts words in our mouths.
>>18256853The idea that θεός is a borrowed cognate of Ζεύς is interesting but the author you quoted needs to elaborate on why θεός does not belong with the words on this page:https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/d%CA%B0%C3%A9h%E2%82%81s
>>18256910>>18256853No Ancient Greek authors are terribly vague and conflicting about who the Pelasgians were, but what we can piece together is that they did not speak a language related to Greek, and that they are, nevertheless, ancestors of the Greeks. They were EEF
>>18256854Pelasgians (Leleges, Minoans, Lemnians and others) were the natives of the Balkans before the Greeks descended from the Indo-European migrations from the North.>>18256910Cause its 2000% fake
>>18256941I know its fake kek I just wanted to humiliate the OP.
Greek identity is Catacomb identity. These Pelicans are probably some pre IE peoples
>>18256967Yes. Pelasgians were late catacomb tribes in greece
>>18256967They spoke IE according to OP source So who knows? They could be even older than logkas since there's IE in the balkans since the MBA
>>18256854They can't be minoans
>>18256853https://atlantipedia.ie/samples/mosenkis-yurii/>Yurii Mosenkis is a Ukranian linguistics professor who has touched on several matters relating to Atlantis in a variety of papers. Many of his papers are concerned with the Minoan Linear A, which he considers to be proto-Greek(a)>Commenting on Plato’s report of the major floods that occurred in the early history of Greece, Mosenkis noted that “the interval between the Ogyges and Deucalion floods was 250 years (Eusebius) or 260 years (my calculations from 1775 BCE to 1515 BCE).”>Mosenkis proposed in his Hellenic Origin of Europe(c) that the Phaistos Disk was an astronomical navigational aid for sailors!>Of more interest to this site is that Mosenkis has published a short paper(d) in which he directly associates the Hittites with Atlantis and the Sea Peopleshttps://at001.wordpress.com/2020/07/16/georgievs-homeland-of-the-proto-greek-language/So, the retard who mock me for talking about Atlantis and citing literal who Blogstop do the same thing?>Proto-IberianWhat the hell are you talking about? Iberians have more steppe than Greeks. The largest Bell Beaker site, from which most of the Steppe in Western Europe derives, is at Castro of Zambujal, Portugal.https://www.dnagenics.com/ancestry/sample/view/profile/id/i17962>A man buried in Greece in the Iron Age era>Date: 773 BCE - 544 BCE>Biological Sex: Male>mtDNA: U8b1b>Y-DNA: Not available>Cultural Period: Iron Age Delphi, Greece>Western Steppe Pastoralists: 10%https://www.dnagenics.com/ancestry/sample/view/profile/id/i3324>A man buried in Spain in the Iron Age era>Date: 359 BCE - 172 BCE>Biological Sex: Male>mtDNA: H1>Y-DNA: R-Z209>Cultural Period: Iron Age Spain>Western Steppe Pastoralists: 35%
>>18256853>>18256854I always said they were archaic Indo-Europeans, not every Indo-European in the Aegean necessarily had to be Hellenic, there were others.I imagine the Pelasgians were a post-Yamanay branch that would still be pre-Greek but already Indo-European. This similarity to Greek, Armenian, and Albanian cannot be a coincidence
>>18257105Argensimio.
Everyone here is wrong and right, Pelasgians means the people before the known Greeks, of this Mycenae and Minoans existed, and Mycenae had PIE and WHG admixture while Minoans didn't, thereafter further invasions came in, it's not that hard guys. We know this is who they meant because they accredited them as building the Cyclopean walls as well. They could have maybe meant even before then but it's fairly cut and dry.
>>18256935Maybe predominantly EEF but they were probably on a Greece_N-Minoan cline with some misc. Bronze Age Anatolian numbers in there, I hear EEF I think Barcin-Sardinian. Maybe even had some steppe. Unlikely but maybe there were some steppe-having people moving down there before the early Greeks. Is there any known early Greek word for Minoans byw? They didn't call them Minoans.
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>>18256943No, pointing out a weakness in the paper is not "humiliating" OP. If you want to be a child and pretend to be other posters go to /b/.The author may have a point about ἄνθρωπος since it shows θ for expected δ, but then we are left with just once example which reduces confidence in the author's thesis. ἄνθρωπος may very well be non-Greek as Beekes suspected but this does not necessarily mean non-Indo-European, especially since there were a number of different Indo-European languages that could have loaned words to Greeks.
>>18257372Wonder what the backstory of the EHG (if it is in there) for Minoans is. Probably South Caucasus through Anatolia mediated.
