Muslims claim that the jizya tax is the most fair tax of all time because it protects the Christians and Jews, exempts them from fighting in wars and allows them to practice their religion in peace and comfort.When a Muslim states this he sees the conversation as finished and over, he views it as there's no possible way you can ever disagree with him that this tax is the fairest ever known to man. And many times this is true. The opponent simply gives up and walks away and concedes that the jizya is "fair and just compared to the taxes we have in the West today"My question is what is the rebuttal to this? Surely there are people who disagree with the jizya tax? surely there must be some argument against it? I have never seen anyone combatting a Muslim on the jizya.
>>18258298Islam is still false and MAPhammed a liar
>>18258298How about, I’m not paying your fucking taxes and if you want to disagree about it we can fight. I’m not living in whatever shithole you crawled out of and you certainly aren’t going to turn my homeland into one. Jizya is for a conquered people.
>>18258298>Sandniggers fatigueI'm apostate secular atheist agnostic pagan polytheist pantheist buddhist hindu dumb-rock worshiper and ain't paying shit to dancing boy Ahmed he can it take from his fellow Abrahamist.
>>18258327You'll do whatever they tell you to do, hylic.
>>18258298Free to practice religion, but unfree to express your opinion on and participate in any other part of society.
>>18258327You're a poo
>>18258298Why does he use make up? Is he a faggot?
>>18258298There is nothing “fair” about it, I should not have to pay absurdly high taxes just so I don’t have to follow your false religion.
>>18258298The Zutt tax is the most fair tax of all time because it protects the muslims, exempts them from fighting in wars, and allows them to enjoy their religion in peace and comfort.When a Zutt states this he sees the conversation as finished and over, he views it as there's no possible way you can ever disagree with him that this tax is the fairest ever known to man. And many times this is true. The opponent simply gives in and is riden until they accept that the zutt is "fair and just compared to the taxes we have in the Muslim world today."My question is what is the rebuttal to this? Surely there are people who disagree with the Zutt tax? surely there must be some argument against it? I have never seen anyone resist a Zutt and their long hard tax.
>how can you refute muslims on a claim>when muslims make a claim he thinks is right then its right and the conversation is over because the claim is correct because the muslim thinks its correct so its correct because the claim is correct because muslims made the correct claim which is obviously true because they believe the claim they made which is a true claim because the muslim claimed the claim to be true>how can you refute this?
>>18258298It was fair at the time. It's just outdated in a world where religion holds no relevance for statehood.
>>18258298>practice their religion in peace and comfort.So this tax grants me a special police force to make sure I'm able to practice my religion? Actually not a bad deal.
>>18258348Meanwhile in judeochristian lands you either follow their false necrophile cult or end at the stake, except jews of course
>>18258348It is lower than zakat tax btw
>>18258322FPBPMohammed has no legitimate claim to be an Abrahamic Prophet, as no public and visible miracles can be attributed to him and he made no prophecies.
>>18258322Buy enough about the nailed kike who claimed to be YHWH by fucking his 12 years old mother
>>18258573We are not """abrahamic""", we don't adhere to your zionist cult, we don't believe in jewish supremacy and follow the one true godI spit on YHWH and curse the Jews and their golems (judeochristians)
>>18258579>teenage larper insulting one of the prophets again
>>18258607Gods not real bro. If you disagree all you have to do is prove theres a god.
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>>18258555no modern christian nation forces people to be christian
>>18258298What's happens to those Christians and Jews if they don't pay?
>>18258579>sub 80 iq in actionIt's like I'm in the /his/ safari
>>18258298>exempts them from fighting in warsagainst whom, stop bombing each other you dumb retards.
>yeah but they're safe and housed, in exchange we just exploit them for a massive portion of the resources they produce and they cant say noThis is literally just slavery, only a sub 90IQ mohammad would ever think that's reasonable and just
>>18258768>yeah but they're safe and housed, in exchange we just exploit them for a massive portion of the resources they produce and they cant say noso capitalism...
>>18258560>It is lower than zakat tax btwThat would logically incentivize Muslims to apostasize from Islam to pay lower taxes
>>18258298>Abu Tahir [Sacking of Mecca] ... Once inside the city walls the army set about massacring the pilgrims, taunting them with verses of the Koran as they did so. The bodies of the pilgrims were left to rot in the streets or thrown down the Well of ZamZam. The Kaaba was looted, with Abū Tāhir taking personal possession of the Black Stone. For 21 years, it was in his possession, and it is reported that he daily desecrated it with urine.
>>18258772you can so no in capitalism, theres tons of off grid people out there, its just better being a part of this system. Under muslim rule if you say no they kill you, and if you say yes they periodically rob you and probably rape your wife and kidnap some of your kids to keep as slaves. Throughout most of history being a Muslim living in Christian lands was far better than being a Christian living in Muslim lands, and in the modern age its not even close.
>>18258298>exempts them from fighting in warsI didn't know this part. For the pacifist Anabaptists who were often burned alive by Calvinists and Catholics, it seems as though it would have better to have been under the governance of Muslims.
>>18258298>exempts them from fighting in warsThis is a restriction. Soldiers were part of the elite in societies that used the jizya taxes and it was one of the only permitted methods of social mobility.[This is why Muslims seethe so much about losing wars to Israel btw, those people are supposed to be disarmed subhumans]
>>18258298Muslims impose a fuckton of humiliations on non-Muslims, such as having to beg for approval to repair a hole in the wall and not being allowed to make announcements.Their "fair tax" is just a method of monopolizing violence by making Christians reluctant to participate in military matters, something that is very obviously bad for reasons that need not be elaborated upon.
>>18258778*say no
>>18258298>I take over your entire country>You get some privileges as long as we like you and feel like giving them to youIt would be funny if people weren't so retarded as to even think this could end well for them
>>18258298OP, considering no modern, internationally recognized country runs an official “jizya” system as a normal state tax today, who the fuck are you even arguing with about this?
>>18258579You got em again>>18258298You can't refute it. It's extraordinarily just. It's like 1.25%, and westoids pay 20x that to live in nigger infested citiesAnd the elderly and the sick don't have to pay it. And neither do non-muslims if they participate in the armyMuslims pay double it (2.5%) for Zakat (charity tax to the poor)
>>182582981) you demons are supposed to be worshiping the one true living God which is formed by the people who are of God2) giving you provision to defend the kingdom of heaven which is the home of the people who are of God so that you can prove you deserve life by holding back the darkness is how such a system was originally put into placeyou obviously no longer recognize God and deserve nothing but to remain in hell forever until you do
>>18258298>debating with inbreds who worship a pedo
>>18258298Sounds as though non-muslims are paying tribute to support an all-Muslim army, ie. a Muslim monopoly on violence. Can Christians legally and without reprisal withhold taxes if the state is using the military to target a foreign Christian nation or a domestic Christian community?
>>18258900>inbreds worship a pedoThere are no judeochristians here tho, nobody worships the teen diddling nailed kike here
>>18258967Muslims revere Jesus as a holy prophet and messiah, but not their messiah. Your disrespect towards Jesus is contrary to Islamic belief.
>>18258580Based Ishmael follower.
>>18258298wowie...I'm not typically one for physiognomy, but the canthic tilt on that dude is something else
