How do pagans and neo-pagans answer the problem of the triumph of Abrahamic religions over paganism?Option 1: The pagans were defeated because their gods don't exist.Option 2: The pagans were defeated because the Abrahamic God is more powerful than the pagan gods.Option 3: The pagans were defeated even though their gods were real and could have helped them but simply chose not to do so and they didn't care that their worshippers were being persecuted, slaughtered and forcibly converted to serve another God, their temples were being destroyed and/or reconverted to temples for the Abrahamic God, their oracles were silenced and their myths suppressed.I see no way in which the pagans end up looking good. Thoughts?
>>18266450It's simple really, they just ignore the problem and don't think about it.
>>18266450The answer is Option 2. What God did to the God's of Egypt he did to the gods of every other nation.Jeremiah 46:25>YAH Almighty, the God of Israel, says: “I am about to bring punishment on Amon (Amun Ra) god of Thebes, on Pharaoh, on Egypt and her gods and her kings, and on those who rely on Pharaoh.
>>18266450pagans weren't defeated, they converted willfully
>>18266450>I see no way in which the pagans end up looking good. Thoughts?It's probably because you are a troglodyte who views the gods from the lens of a Marvel consoomer (including of course Jeebus himself).Deities are supreme immortal entities existing in higher planes. Humans attach themselves to the deities that have created them, and draw down power from them, freely shared. But just because humans lose connection with these deities and fail to draw power from them any longer, does not influence these deities the least bit.The gods are doing just as well today as they were in the past. It is humans that are doing worse. Followers of the all too human cult of Jeebus may beat their chests in triumph but all that has been achieved is a slump to base ignorance. Much ancient wisdom has been lost and destroyed, which could have been used to help everyone today. Oh well. Each man for himself now.
>>18266564God gave every nation a spirit god to lead them astray away from him, but over Israel he appointed himself as their God and chose them to be his people. >For Ishmael and his sons and his brothers and Esau, YAHWEH did not cause to approach Him, and he chose them not because they are the children of Abraham, because He knew them, but He chose Yisrael to be His people.>And He sanctified it, and gathered it from amongst all the children of men; for there are many nations and many peoples, and all are His, and over all has He placed spirits in authority to lead them astray from Him.>But over Yisrael He did not appoint any malak or spirit, for He alone is their ruler, and He will preserve them and require them at the hand of His malakim and His spirits, and at the hand of all His powers in order that He may preserve them and bless them, and that they may be His and He may be theirs fromhenceforth forever.
>>18266450as >>18266521 said, most pagans converted willingly. The gods didn't intervene for the same reason that elderly parents often don't heavily intervene in the lives of their adult children when said adult children make some really bad mistakes. Yes they love us, but sometimes you really do just have to figure it the fuck out. I could go into a whole theological discussion on this topic, but that's really all that needs to be said. The gods want men to aspire to glory. We have instead converted to various abrahamic faiths and instead radically seek out our own self-annihilation. Imagine you're a parent and you have an adult son who becomes addicted to meth, and he becomes extremely violent and resistant to bettering himself. He starts committing crimes to feed his addiction and terrorizes you and the rest of your family. Sometimes the only thing you can do is kick him out and hope he gets his shit together.
>>18266450Option 4: Neither religion is real and Christianity won because of a myriad of material factors such as (relative) doctrinal cohesiveness, the winning of state sanction, a single international bureaucratic apparatus across borders, and having a better "sales pitch" in regards to theology. Remember that paganism isn't a religion, it's a category, Christianity didn't beat some rival faith, it beat a bunch of small localized folk traditions.
>>18266450The same way you explain the triumph of other kind of jewry over Europeans. The Middle East seems to produce continuously successful influence.
>How do pagans and neo-pagans answer the problem of the triumph of Abrahamic religions over paganism?It was Christianity.>I see no way in which the pagans end up looking good. Thoughts?It depends.
>>18266450Is this a god dick measuring contest?
>>18266450How did finnic paganism survive until modern period and disappeared only after christianity went to decline?And now that christianity is on decline pagans are multiplying
>>18266450Because abrahamic faiths have this thing where they can destroy themselves out of absolute retardation then the next generation will just start over with a slightly different name and pretend like nothing happened.
>>182664504. none of the gods exist, and the better organizing ideology subdued the multicultural pagans.in other words, you are a troll for leaving this alternative out.
>>18266450Someone has never heard of the Byzantine apocalypse After the fall of the east first to the Sassanids and then to the Muslim Arabs the Christians of the empire though Yahweh abandoned them to the iconoclast Arabs/Muslims Option 1: The christians were defeated because their god doesn't existOption 2: The christians were defeated because the Muslims faith is more powerful than the christian faithOption 3: The christians were defeated even though their faith is real and Yahweh could have helped them but simply chose not to do so and they didn't care that their worshippers were being persecuted, slaughtered and forcibly converted to serve another faith, their temples were being destroyed and/or reconverted to temples for the Muslim faith, their priests were silenced and their myths suppressed.Personally I think Hellenic Deism is the best way to handle most of this but that's opens us up to>you dont really believe in the gods, paganlarpersThe reality is the gods favor no people or nation and we are all children of the Gods. Besides all Christians are more or less worshipping a temui "monotheistic" version of Dionysus and Zeus.Or did you not catch the fact that they stapled the GOD/Yahweh over the image of Zeus and stole Dionysus' divine story and gave it to a Jewish and probably gnostic prophet?
>>18266506>Jeremiah 46:25 >>YAH Almighty, the God of Israel, says: “I am about to bring punishment on Amon (Amun Ra) god of Thebes, on Pharaoh, on Egypt and her gods and her kings, and on those who rely on Pharaoh.So then is Yah = Aten? Or is this part of the confusion that has been ongoing for thousands of years.Regardless, seems like no other deity has hated Amon more than Aten, the creepy ass hermaphrodite bitch.
>>18267830Muslims and Christians worship the same God, so one of them losing to the other doesn't mean their God is not real or not powerful. The same is not true for pagans.
>>18266844>>18267730This question is for pagans, not atheists. Please stop bringing up the "option" that no god is real, the trilemma is not based on atheistic/materialistic presuppositions.
>>18266521"I didn't lose! I just let you win!"Ok, champ.
>>18268374Do you not realize most polytheists think their gods are different aspects of the same beings? Prime example did you really think the Trojans really worshipped all the "same" gods as the Greeks? Polytheists have always equated their gods with other Pantheons similar gods anon
>>18268381>bringing up the "option" that no god is real, the trilemma is not based on atheistic/materialistic presuppositionsThere is the possibility of deist presupposition/buddhist presupposition/several other presuppositions.You just don't want to be called out for your christian bullshit.
Big Church is a shitshow these days, meanwhile every single homo sapiens secretly practices paganism in his heart. Hard to interpret this as a "triumph" unless you are viewing world history through the lens of one of those strategy 4x videogames, or as a racial mythology or some krank gripe or similar desperate boomerbrain dementia.
>>18268549>Do you not realize most polytheists think their gods are different aspects of the same beings?And? Did any of them believe in the Abrahamic God?>>18268560>There is the possibility of deist presupposition/buddhist presupposition/several other presuppositions.The Pagan Trilemma rests specifically in Pagan presuppositions.>You just don't want to be called out for your christian bullshit.I'm agnostic.
>>18268575>Did any of them believe in the Abrahamic GodYahweh was equated with Dionysus/Bacchus via Interpretatio graeca
