Forget WW1 Germany, I have a real challenge for you /his/.Is there any way Japan could have won WWII? Starting in 1937, you can take whatever strategy and approach you wish, including going the Siberia route and disregarding SEA.
>>18266586everything the same but dont do pearl harbor matter of fact motion towards a non aggression pact with the usa and more naval landings a bit ahead of the frontline to steal the entire chinese coast quicker to stop them from getting trade... eventually you will be able to starve the chinese into surrendering after taking the yellow river
>>18266586Japan was on the winning side of WW1They could have been on the winning side of WW2 if not for the Washington Naval Conference breaking the Anglo-Nippon Alliance
>>18266648I like this, and then it would be neat if they did a zimmerman telegram type shit but with the USA, courting the US as a fellow "anti-colonial power" and appealing to the monroe doctrine of fucking over Europe aka the US and Japan liberate Canada from the brits together. Japan also "liberates" Hong Kong, Malaysia, etc. in the same vein while downplaying collaboration with GermanyIf we want an easy answer to Japan winning WWII, they could just join the allies against the european axis powers but i feel that's not in the spirit of the question
>>18266586>Pull out of China (except Manchuria)>Declare war on Germany.>Kido Butai helps British clear the Med a few years early>gain a seat at Yalta >get to keep Taiwan, Manchuria, and Korea>forcibly nipponize the people there (or give them rights and autonomy to convince them being under the emperor is a good deal, whichever you think would work better idk)>end the war unbombed, with minimal casualties, on the good side of the winners, with core of the empire intact.All of this is moot though because I’d be assassinated by a junior lieutenant for suggesting pulling out of China.
>>18266586America's terms to Japan to end the oil embargo was for them to withdraw from China back to the 1937 borders. America had no problem with Japan owning Korea, Manchuria, Taiwan, or Okinawa. They could have kept those parts of their empire by just sitting out ww2.
The Japanese got basically no raw material from any conquered territory in Southeast Asia anyway, so we know that even with US sanctions they could still beat the Chinese and deter Stalin. They should have declared war on Germany in exchange for guarantees in the north and the right to buy a limited amount of British oil and iron
>>18266586Oil was found in Manchuria later on attacking the Dutch East Indies was completely unnecessary if they knew that
>>18266586Tell them there is oil in Manchuria
>>18267160Even if they didn't ship much during the war at the very least they denied a lot of material to the allies. Remember that the Japanese controlled good 90% of rubber plantations by 1943, there was an enormous and expensive drive in the US to create synthetic rubber industry as that was unfolding. The idea was also that eventually the material will start going north. Indonesia had oil, Indochina had bauxite and aforementioned rubber etc.This kind of explains the Japanese planning. Their idea is to make the war appear too expensive for the US to pursue and they thought they can do that through several naval battles neutering the Pacific fleet. Then they wouldn't even care about embargo, it would be just about the US agreeing to not intervene in their asian conquests any further when it came to the peace table, this, again, would be a case of no-guarantees given deal, as long as Japan has a couple of years to solidify the resource flow they would have the material to build a navy to compete with the US.I think in the end it's all about the Japanese dealing with China quickly. The US wouldn't accept territorial concessions but had Japan decided to lay down the naval business for a while and focus on China, they could conquer most of the economically viable areas of the country and just loot and burn them to the ground, preferably right before the harvests so the first thing Chinese experience in their "liberated" country is famine. This would destabilise the KMT well enough that Japan would've bought itself a decade with it.Afterwards they shouldn't take French Indochina until they are ready for war with the allies as well, but that's relying on hindsight too much and I think the US would be looking for excuses for war anyway.
>>18266586Attack HIVans, not the US.
>>18267420>*gets Khalkhin Gol'd*-ACK
>>18266586I’m not entirely sure what the fuck Japan’s goal in WWII even was anyways. Had they withdrawn to Manchukuo they’d have their buffer state against the Soviets and be a superpower today
>>18267707It's the same goal as they had during invasion of Korea. Secure resources needed for possible future total war. It's just that between Japanese takeover of Korea and WW2 certain resources became much more important - oil, rubber and bauxite most notably.
>>18266586Much like Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union, any invasion of China is going to be a nightmare in terms of logistics, and a near impossibility when you've got a restive population exponentially larger than yours.The only way Japan is "winning" WWII is if it somehow stops at Manchuria and joins the Allies. They could have used Barbarossa as a means to exit the Tripartite pact, but I don't see how it could accomplish much beyond that.>>18267256>they could conquer most of the economically viable areas of the country and just loot and burn them to the ground, preferably right before the harvests so the first thing Chinese experience in their "liberated" country is famine. Guess how well the Three Alls policy worked out for them.
>>18266586Don’t led into French Indochina embargo? Okay.
>>18266586Don't attack Pearl Harbor or Philippines, but do everything else the same. Sure, America will get mad that you seized the East Indies, but you have the resources of all of Asia to prepare for some future Pacific War when the US finally comes to fight you over China
>>18268655Not really an option, for starters the philippines are just in the way of things, slowing down logistics, second of all they're like a dagger pointed at the heart of the would be japanese empire, there would be nothing stopping US from covering the place with airstrips and sending bombers over the home isles, not to mention the resources they could provide.Fwiw i don't think japan could win if the point of divergence is 1937. Go back a decade and have someone either reign in the kwantung army or massively expand japan's coal liquification output. Either they never invade china or don't run out of oil halfway through.
