>Be Ireland>Get your independence from Britain >millions of Irish emigrate to Britain>in fact you are eventually known as the guys to emigrate to other countries Make it make sense. What a bizarre people.
>>18266782Have you ever been to Ireland? Nobody wants to live there and I don't blame them.
>>18266785Then why bother with independence?
I thought they all left because of the famine
>>18266791Fuck anglos basically.
>>18266990But they are anglos
>>18266991Irish are celts moron
>>18266782The irish in other countries are descendants of people who immigrated centuries ago you dumb nigger.And because it's cool to claim you're Irish they identify as such even if they had one irish great grandfather.
>>18267016Meaningless distinction
>>18267032>only my made up "white" identity that blobs all Europeans together is realOkay amerifat
>>18267038>only my made up "anglos" identity that blobs all (non-Irish) white English speakers together is real
>>18267026Only Amerifats do that
>>18267038You're all just the eternal monarch bootlickers who didn't have the balls to escape being serfs. It's why you did nothing as they took away your freedoms, why you handed over the defense of your countries to the NATO(America), and why you get arrested for making mean teets about your muslim replacements. Keep huffing that we used to matter copium and nervously posting 5-56% as your country is rapidly turning into a new caliphate with your own leaders connivance.
>>18267047Try to contain your seethe to a point you can respond to the correct post next time, fat
>>18267016Irish people have completely mixed with anglos they're all 50 50 therefore being Irish no longer means anything
>>18266785But no one wants to live in England either
>>18267206Muslims do.
>>18266782What, Ireland was not a nice place to be ca. forever-1990s? I wonder if that had any reasons. And also "getting your independence" came with partition and a civil war, basically if that is Republicans' main achievement they managed to achieve it in the absolute worst way possible.>>18266791Also the majority were basically tricked into the "war of independence", which was no more than a terrorist campaign of assassinations supported and sanctioned by members of the party which had just ridden a wave of disillusionment into "power" (making their own parliament).>>18267083Only if you derive meaning from inconsequential things like what flavour of White you are.
>>18266782We have been in these islands like a thousand years longer than the English and thus are entitled to live anywhere we want in them.
>>18267206>more fertile>more populous>more civilised>nearer the continenthmm... not hard to see why it was a much sought after prize in mediaeval europe, unlike ireland
>implying the notion of an Irish diaspora only began post-independenceFirst of all, Ireland didn't become independent in 1922; it was a Dominion of the Empire until the late 1940s, with much of its trade and economic growth tied directly to Britain and the rest of the Empire.Secondly, the tradition of "Irish communities heading abroad and creating diasproas" goes back to the middle ages, OP; countless monastic communities exist across Britain and Europe which were founded by the Irish. Later there was the wave of exiled or fleeing Irish Gaelic nobility following Tyrone's Rebellion, and later again the even more famous "Wild Geese" who became renowned across Europe as a military diaspora. Many nations have had leaders descended from Irish emigrants from either of these;>New Spain>Chile>Francejust to name a few.Then there was of course those forced overseas into English colonies in the Carribbean, or the million or so who emigrated in the mid 19th Century to escape famine and poverty. Ireland was absolutely riddled with poverty in the run-up to the revolutionary years and it wasn't really until the latter half of the 20th Century that this started to improve.>>18266791Because England was violently hostile at worst and maliciously neglectful at best. Not really difficult to understand.
>>18267657>more fertileIsn't Ireland known for being green while England is rainy all the time>more populousIreland was pretty populated itself before the potato famine>more civilisedThe Irish preserved Christianity in the Dark Ages and Catholicism after the Reformation until Cromwell wrecked the place>nearer the continentTrue
>>18267722>Isn't Ireland known for being green while England is rainy all the timeIreland is very rainy too; parts of it resembled a humid jungle at times very very long ago. However in terms of post-independence, Ireland was still dealing with the long-term impact of Britain's retarded policies and a big part of the trade war in the 1930s was over land annuities still being paid. Beef farmers were about the only people in agriculture who weren't worrying about something or other.>Ireland was pretty populated itself before the potato famineIreland's population explosion in the run-up to the famine was a bad thing; most of these people were crammed into shitty living conditions with large families trying to maximise the amount of money or food they could gatjer.>The Irish preserved Christianity in the Dark Ages Nah, they didn't really. The book you're thinking of exaggerates things massively; while influential, the Scots Monastaries and things like that were simply centres of learning/recordkeeping which *would* have been a good safety net, but which thankfully never really needed to be.>Cromwell wrecked the placeIreland's Christian Golden Age was ended by the Vikings, not Cromwell.
>>18267712Sounds like a bunch of paddy cope for the 'emerald island' being a shithole for 99% of its history until getting on the EU gravy train.
>>18267732"Cope" would be saying "nuh-uh, what about the Celtic Tiger" as the lads on r/ireland might do.My personal views do not influence my grasp on history, I am aware that you (like many) only really come to /his/ to fuel whatever /int/ drivel you like to post. I am sorry that a partitioned island of middling farmers governed by two flavours of conservatives failed to do anything wondrous for the few decades after becoming independent and before the uniculture and creeping banality of modernism arrived.
>>18267083That's not true at all. Why do you spout such lies like it's matter of fact? Kys
>>18267771NTA but for the love of god leave genetics and halpfaggotry out of the thread, the discussions never go anywhere and its such a chore to see the same slop regurgitated every single time between the same retards
>be Ireland >make a big show of hating your former colonial master>rely on their Air Force to protect your airspace.….i really don’t understand the Irish. It’s almost an admission that deep down they know that the British occupation wasn’t all that bad. If it had been, they wouldn’t trust or rely on the RAF or allow them in their airspace in a million years.
>>18267797WTF? Is there some sort of treaty in place? Do they pay for this service?
>>18267797>>make a big show of hating your former colonial masterWhen are you referring to? The only times in the last 100 years when this has been relevant has been the Republican campaigns from 1969-1998 and the original revolutionary period from 1916-1922.Anglo-Irish relations were incredibly strong for most of the second half of the 20th Century, the biggest test in recent memory has been Brexit; the Irish Government is as hostile to Irish Republicanism (the anti colonial bit) as the British are.>rely on the airforce to protect your airspaceIrish Republicans make fun of this even more than Brits do; the Irish Defence Forces are regularly mocked for having mostly been used to suppress the IRA.>>18267841People forget that the Republic of Ireland was quite literally a British Dominion until 1949.There is a """"""""""""""""""secret""""""""""""""""""" agreement in which Ireland falls under British protection from any hypothetical enemies, which is very funny given that Britain is the only real enemy Ireland has on earth other than I guess Israel. Similar things have been in place since WW2, when neutral Ireland covertly made plans to aid Britain should Germany invade-including a plan for the RAF to move its base of operations to Ireland.The Republic of Ireland really has nothing to do with the revolution/the IRA/any of the "muh evil brits" stuff. They hate the IRA/Irish Republicanism only a little less than Ulster Unionists, but did a far better job suppressing both. Many Irish people in the ROI openly do not care about partition/uniting Ireland because they are so mindbroken by propaganda; these people are usually mocked as "Free Staters."
>>18267771Ireland and Scotland need their own proper studies to conclude their genetic makeup. That 2022 study only used a couple examples from Ireland and Scotland and was primarily focused on England. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was still roughly the same though.
>>18267797The RAF doesn't protect Irish air space. Do you honestly think the RAF are over here patrolling our skies daily or something? It's seething British boomer fantasy.
>>18267878Nobody thinks that, anon, but it's true. Ireland has no real airforce nor navy. Did you not miss all the news in 2024 about it getting revealed?Don't forget;>previous head of the Guards quite literally an RUC veteran
>>18267722>>18267722>Isn't Ireland known for being green while England is rainy all the timewhat the FUCK are you talking about lol>Ireland was pretty populated itself before the potato famineyes after a century and a half of englishman trying to advance them the country's population quadruples from about 2m to 8mhowever at the start of that period (1700) and end of it (1850) the british population was three to four times as numerous as the irish>The Irish preserved Christianity in the Dark Ages and Catholicism after the Reformation until Cromwell wrecked the placefake newsfake, gay and retarded no less
Given that some ITT are probably only just being alerted to it, there is this weird thing in Irish society because of partition.There are people today who lived to see modern heroes of Ireland; people who were honest-to-god rebels taking up arms in a relatively black and white "we are defending our home" context. People like Joe McCann, who famously lead the defence of his neighbourhood in his early 20s during the Falls Curfew. There are loads of people like that; there's no dubious circumstances about what they were doing or seedy contexts to the violence-they grabbed a rifle and defended their people against hostile and unjust attackers...but some people feel like they aren't allowed to revere them.So heavy-handed and constant is the anti-IRA propaganda in every aspect of the Irish establishment that its considered taboo or wrong to have even a sliver or sympathy (let alone admiration) of modern Irish rebels. They would instead rather constantly focus on people from a century ago, who by and large did the same shit that people like Joe McCann did. Given the big uptick in popularity of Irish Republican aesthetics and sentiments across the Irish youth, I 10000% believe that in 2026 and beyond we will see:>cringeworthy leftists in the US/UK playing pretend as epic IRA socialists>a dedicated effort by the British and Irish Governments to portray the IRA (and all physical force Irish nationalism) as a horrible toxic tragedy of the pastscreencap this post if you like, and remember it 6 months from now when you're wondering why British Universities are full of young Brits loving bands like Kneecap and calling for a United Ireland. (We're halfway there already)
>>18267909All those people will be jailed for antisemitism paddy.
>>18268065Actually Ireland has a weird thing where the online discourse (which is disconnected with the real world) is the pro-Israel one; the vast majority of Irish people's view on Israel or "anti-semitism" is:>what? I don't care>fuck Israel lolThere is a huge attempt to astroturf some sort of precedence for Ireland being anti-Jewish, despite the fact that more Irish Catholics were put out of their homes by Loyalists for being Catholic in 2025 than Jews were put out of their homes in the last 50 years.
>>18267865>which is very funny given that Britain is the only real enemy Ireland has on earthIn what way is Britain Ireland's enemy?
>>18267878You have a handful of tiny patrol boats and basically no air force whatsoever, not even a squadron of old F-16s or anything. You refuse to police your own airspace and tacitly concede it to the UK/US.
>>18268183It isn't really, at the moment; there's no serious fallout between the British and Irish Government, despite the egregious shit that still happens in Northern Ireland.My point was that the only nation in the last century to take deliberate military action against Ireland is Britain. The closest thing Ireland has to an enemy on earth is Britain; the only existing greivances being partition (but the Irish Government don't care) and the aforementioned stuff in the north. For the past few months the British Government has celebrated the continued lack of justice or closure for the Bloody Sunday families-anywhere else in the world this would be a horrendous political gaffe, but because of how utterly mindbroken so many people (including Irish people) are about the reality of NI nobody seems to treat it as a serious issue.
>>18268187>You refuse to police your own airspace and tacitly concede it to the UK/US.There are no UK or US aircraft policing or patrolling Irish airspace. It simply doesn't happen.
>>18268480They don't patrol Irish airspace but they do respond to foreign incursions.
>>18268225I'd say you need to worry far more about Israel than Britain. It wouldn't surprise me at all if Mossad organised something nasty on your soil to teach you a lesson.
>>18267206>millions of Irish move to England>millions of Arabs and Niggers and Pakis move to England>Noone wants to move to England
>>18268766>no one white wants to move to EnglandFTFY
>>18268699There has only been one and it was well off our coast. The RAF would have went out to shadow it anyway. It was a Russian plane that turned it's transponder off.
>>18266782They were literally told they would live in wakandagollaigh if they become independent by indoctrinated morons who huffed a lot if romanticist farts.Some more calculating ones maybe hoped they'd be able to enforce papist theocracy through the mechanisms of the republic.Instead they were the poorfags of western Europe, worse than even Poortugal until the government got enough bribes from multinationals to turn the country into tax haven giving the Irish maybe 10 nice years until the downsides in form of out of control real estate market and the government treating the country as an economic zone settled in.
>>18267206If you can't afford to move to a major continent, you settle for England because even if it's not great it's better than Ireland.
>>18268957So Bongs are in charge of defending you airspace then?
>>18267771>That's not true at all. Why do you spout such lies like it's matter of fact? KysStop coping, taigYou're not a "based celt". You're a northwestern european germanic descendent of scandinavian bell beakers. and because of brits conquering you you all speak a germanic language now anyways>screencap this post if you like, and remember it 6 months from now when you're wondering why British Universities are full of young Brits loving bands like Kneecap and calling for a United Ireland. (We're halfway there already)>>18267909Ireland will never be united.Nobody apart from taig diaspora in glasgow and liverpool listen to kneecap.University students are all middle and upper class spastics anyway. No brickie listens to kneecap . Young brits are all turning to nationalism and they proudly fly english flags and hate wogs they aren't kneecap listening left wing spastics like you want them to be.
>>18267016They're genetically closer to Baltoids, actually.
>>18269392Defending us from whom? We're not in NATO and aren't enemies of Russia. The Russians are in the neighbourhood because of the Brits and they're a threat to Britain not Ireland.
>>18269931I know I'm not a Celt I'm a Gael. You're some god damned mutt who larps an Anglo Saxon and Germanic for some strange reason.
>>18269931>Ireland will never be united.Sinn Féin's only hope is that Unionists continue to believe this. The seat makeup of Stormont or endless "if it happened tomorrow" polls do not matter; the fact that most voters in NI are moderate/left leaning absolutely does.>Nobody apart from taig diaspora in glasgow and liverpool listen to kneecap.lol. Don't get me wrong anon, I hate the manlet duo probably as much as you do; one of them is literally a rich boy pretending to be working class. But if this is your understanding of their reach, it's already over.>University students are all middle and upper class spastics anywayQUB students in particular. Guess where the future policymakers or driving forces for change will come from? Unionism remains stuck on "you can't put Irish on that sign, it's offensive." >Young brits are all turning to nationalism Too bad we aren't in Britain then, anon.I don't care one iota what young britons do, I do care that yet another generation of young loyalist lads are being lead to oblivion yet again for a fight they lose every single time.
>>18270127>I’m a gay’lWhat did the Irish mean by this?
>>18270127Irish people are more Germanic than southern germansYou're Germanic. You cope by ethnoLARPing as a "gael" when you don't even speak a gaelic language. You speak english. You cluster with scandinavians. Ergo you are germanic.>>18270396>Sinn Féin's only hope is that Unionists continue to believe this. The seat makeup of Stormont or endless "if it happened tomorrow" polls do not matter; the fact that most voters in NI are moderate/left leaning absolutely does.Ulster will always be british. Farage supports loyalists and he's bound to be pm so you need to stop coping laddie>lol. Don't get me wrong anon, I hate the manlet duo probably as much as you do; one of them is literally a rich boy pretending to be working class. But if this is your understanding of their reach, it's already over.Their reach is inflated by the media. apart from fenians in liverpool and glasgow nobody in britain listens to or cares abioout kneecap.one of their members is a confirmed bacon yet you're defending them, LMAO>QUB students in particular. Guess where the future policymakers or driving forces for change will come from?Taigs have been making fun of unionists for lifting weights rather than going to university or learning law yet 40 years has passed and ulster is still british.>Too bad we aren't in Britain then, anon.Northern ireland is a part of britain.>I don't care one iota what young britons do, I do care that yet another generation of young loyalist lads are being lead to oblivion yet again for a fight they lose every single time.How are they losing if ulster is still british?
Friendly reminder that """irish""" people>speak a germanic language>cluster with germanic peoples (scandinavians) due to bell beaker ancestry>aren't even catholic anymoreThey're discount pound shop englishmen and should stop LARPing as as seperate identity. Everybody worldwide sees them as brits. Irish people have seethe threas complaining that french and germans and italians just see them as british people and don't consider ireland a real country. it's pathetic really
>halposlop begins>thread ruinedsurprise!>>18270471>Northern Ireland is a part of BritainIt's in the UK, but the big nationalistic boom in England is not happening here. Most people in NI are moderates or lean left; the DUP's grip on Unionism is a reflection of the fact that most Unionists are at odd with the larger moderate/left majority here. I know you assumedly live in a bit of a bubble so your perception of the real world is very warped.The fact that NI is currently still in the UK is not thanks to Unionists. Ulster Unionism has, for the past century, done nothing bad gradually lose ground to Nationalists. There has not been a single moment since the 1920s that Ulster Unionism has made a "gain" over Nationalism. Every single Unionist party bleeds votes and seats constantly to moderates, who they fail to retain. >making fun of loyalists for lifting weightsAnd doing what? Getting priced out of their own areas by estate agents? Getting a criminal record and languishing in deprivation? Getting bossed around by UDA bumboys flooding East Belfast with heroin? Cool, when a United Ireland happens they'll be cucked out of any decent future because DUP nonces told them to cry about Catholics and Sinn Féin 24/7 instead of building any actual politics.
>>18267902Anti-hibernian detected
>>18270487>It's in the UK, but the big nationalistic boom in England is not happening here. Most people in NI are moderates or lean left; the DUP's grip on Unionism is a reflection of the fact that most Unionists are at odd with the larger moderate/left majority here.Yeah which is why i can walk down any protestant estate in northern ireland and pass by thousands of flagsfucking hell you're dense. Loyalists firebomb immigrants and kick them out their estates and you say that most people in NI are left leaning or moderates. LMAO>The fact that NI is currently still in the UK is not thanks to Unionists. Ulster Unionism has, for the past century, done nothing bad gradually lose ground to Nationalists. There has not been a single moment since the 1920s that Ulster Unionism has made a "gain" over Nationalism. Every single Unionist party bleeds votes and seats constantly to moderates, who they fail to retain.Ulster unionists stopped themselves from being ethnically cleansed by fenians.>Getting a criminal record and languishing in deprivation? Getting bossed around by UDA bumboys flooding East Belfast with heroin?Nothing wrong with having a criminal record. The IRA are drug dealers just as much as loyalists are but at least the loyalists are keeping foreigners out their communities while you lot let them in
>>18270503>Yeah which is why i can walk down any protestant estate in northern ireland and pass by thousands of flagsThat was always the case, that isn't some new thing.>Loyalists firebomb immigrants and kick them out their estates and you say that most people in NI are left leaning or moderatesYeah, most people disagree with that. One of the Unionist parties even condemned it. Ulster Loyalists existing do not undo the fact that most people either are not Unionists or vote for parties which are non-unionist and left leaning.>Ulster unionists stopped themselves from being ethnically cleansed by fenians.Did they? No ethnic cleansing took place elsewhere in Ireland, and Protestants are outnumbered by Catholics in NI. Belfast is now akin to Derry in that its seen as a Nationalist stronghold. Every new scheme in NI has nationalists all over it. You aren't in England.
>>18270503>Nothing wrong with having a criminal recordForgot to mention this; there's plenty wrong with it if you want your community to escape the cycle of poverty and betrayal that has plagued it for the last 50 odd years. There's a reason the Ravenhill Road has had such an influx of non-unionists and non-protestants; cheap housing because Loyalist areas are shitholes. When Ulster Unionism is left to being about 20 old geezers crying in Bangor, I am sure they will be glad they chimped out.
>>18270515>That was always the case, that isn't some new thing.And it proves your retarded statement wrong>Yeah, most people disagree with that. One of the Unionist parties even condemned it. Ulster Loyalists existing do not undo the fact that most people either are not Unionists or vote for parties which are non-unionist and left leaning.I've talked to plenty of prots from northern ireland and most either don't care or are fine with it>Did they? No ethnic cleansing took place elsewhere in Ireland, and Protestants are outnumbered by Catholics in NI. Belfast is now akin to Derry in that its seen as a Nationalist stronghold. Every new scheme in NI has nationalists all over it. You aren't in England.Catholics wanted to ethnically cleanse protestants in the troubles but loyalists were too strong for them>belfast is a nationalist strongholdI've been there and it really isn't. stop being delusional
>>18270528>And it proves your retarded statement wrongNo, it proves there's no "embracing of nationalism." That sort of stuff was always there.>I've talked to plenty of prots from northern ireland and most either don't care or are fine with itCool, most people don't vote for Unionist parties; the attitude of "most Unionists" doesn't matter here, because there are more non-unionist voters than unionist ones.>Catholics wanted to ethnically cleanse protestants in the troubles but loyalists were too strong for themDid they, aye?>I've been there and it really isn't. stop being delusionalRemind me what the two most recent statues at Belfast City Hall are?
>>18270525>There's a reason the Ravenhill Road has had such an influx of non-unionists and non-protestants; cheap housing because Loyalist areas are shitholes. When Ulster Unionism is left to being about 20 old geezers crying in Bangor, I am sure they will be glad they chimped out.I am sure when catholics are replaced by foreigners they'll be glad they bombed white british people and supported their "black brothers"LMAO
>>18270539>yeah, okay, you're right>but BLACKSThank you for agreeing with me, anon.
>>18270537I said english people were embracing nationalism, in response to you stating english people are supposedly mass supporting kneecap. Work on your reading comprehension you spastic.
>>18270476>They're discount pound shop englishmen and should stop LARPing as as seperate identityI see this attitude a lot online with British. Or at least I think theyre british but it comes off as they hate irish but want irish to be considered British. Its very odd to me.To me the difference is something like dutch and Belgians. Its not terribly different but they clearly are. I dont know someone explain why some brits are like this
>>18270487>halposlop begins>thread ruinedIt's been 10 years and nobody has been able to answer me how DNA science is considered "humanities" and why the fuck are they here shitting up every thread.
>>18270476>seetheYou're seething right now and shit the bed and seethe post every time you see Ireland mentioned. You're not fooling anyone and are a very fucked up person.
>>18270471Irish people aren't Germanic and neither are English people. English isn't even a Germanic language and neither British nor Irish culture is Germanic.
>>18270619>dont know someone explain why some brits are like thisMental illness and acting tough on the Internet.
>>18270744>>18270750Irish people are genetically germanic and speak a germanic languageEnglish is a germanic language.Everything about british and irish culture is germanicStop coping taig>>18270756>acting toughIn reality irishmen LARP as tough despite being shit fighters and getting beaten up by english football hooligans
>>18270878When the fuck have Irish fans ever been beaten up by English football hooligans?
>>18270878You're like a broken record just repeating the same shite too. It's sad that you have nothing going for you in life other than seething about Irish people and larping as Germanic.
>>18270979England fans in the 90s went to dublin and smashed the shit out of the taigs so much they had to cry for the police to help them>>18270988It's so incredibly sad that you have to deny your germanic identity and larp as something you aren't, while ignoring genetic studies. It's pretty pathetic you choose to stick your fingers in your ears and ignore genetic science while LARPing as a gael while not even speaking irish
Who would ever want be a Hiberian?
>>18271208>England fans in the 90s went to dublin and smashed the shit out of the taigs so much they had to cry for the police to help themI'll make a thread about it and show /his/ how some combat 18 English retards chimped out and threw seating and women and children and people enjoying a football for all to see what scum you and your homo neo nazis friends are. >>18271208I don't give a single fuck about anything Germanic you sad cunt. You're some aging combat 18 or National front faggot seething non stop about Irish people in 2026 while your own country goes down the shitter and you and your buddies did fuck all to stop it but larp. Sad
>>18271208>>18271213
>>18271340Your country is being ethnically replaced just as much as ours is, paddy, so stop coping and shut up>>18271328>I'll make a thread about it and show /his/ how some combat 18 English retards chimped out and threw seating and women and children and people enjoying a football for all to see what scum you and your homo neo nazis friends are.Imagine being the irish acting all hard and tough and bombing white children and then getting mad when a bunch of drunk hooligans smash you. LMAO>while your own country goes down the shitter and you and your buddies did fuck all to stop it but larp. SadSeeing as i have good friends who took part in the riots at southport i'd say we are doing our job to stop it while you're seething online, LOL
