so let me get this straightwe have>mycenaean samples>doric samples>macedonian tomb samples>ionian Hellenistic samples>anatolian samples from late antiquity>italic IA samples>imperial roman samples>etruscan samples >sicily IA samples>bulgaro-thracian IA samplesand all of them cluster close to modern populations from Italy and Greecewhy are their modern states such subhuman leeching shitholes that resembles Kasbahs more than anything?was slavery the reason they became that big in the past?
>>18267842>why are their modern states such subhuman leeching shitholes that resembles Kasbahs more than anything?>was slavery the reason they became that big in the past?They are busy with fucking Germanic women every summer, so they do not care about civilization anymore
>>18267842I think the Ancient Greeks were just not 120 IQ Ubermenschen Philosopher-Kings. They were probably 90-95 IQ (like today), which is still above world average and that IQ level is enough for creating a civilization like Ancient Greece, which was impressive in its time and worthy of admiration. Also North and Central Italy are not subhuman leeching shitholes. Central Italy is on par with France, and North Italy is among the most developed regions in the world.
>>18267842the problem here is your imagining of Mycenae which is completely wrong and suited to 19th homosexual sentiments
>>18267842>why are their modern states such subhuman leeching shitholes that resembles Kasbahs more than anything?If you are talking about Greece then its the 400 years of Ottoman rule.Italy is doing great, minus the southern rapebabies.>>18267897The Greeks went from antiquity into Hellenism into Byzantium, nearly 2 millenias of unquestionable cultural hegemony in Europe while the so called "superior" germanics/scandis/franks were too busy being niggers. I don't think a below average IQ population can achieve that.
>>1826793990-95 IQ is not below average. It's below NW European average, but above world average. And we see Greece today which is reasonably highly developed, does produce highly intelligent people etc.So I don't see how Greek history is incompatible with this.
>>18267955If Greeks(assuming continuation from ancient to today) are supposed to be below average then every other european ethnic group is retarded. Unless history for you starts at 1400s.
>>18267982I already said Greeks are not below world average. Here's a fun x posthttps://x.com/Rainmaker1973/status/2006392402446000219
>>18267982funny thing is that Greeks received acutal higher steppe Corded Ware admixture after Late Antiquity, on paper they should be stronger, higher in intelligence and taller than back in the days they resemble their Celtic,Germanic,Slavic cousins even more
>>18267842Because their ancient states were leeching shitholes that resembles Kasbahs more than anything.
>>18267842Because demographics is destiny plus geographic luck. Northern Europeans were stupid low iq barbarians that only amounted to anything after they took over the trade routes with the new world and Asia plus had the demographic edge thanks to four crop rotation and a land of arable land compared to the constrained south. Before 1600 Northern Europeans invented barely anything that wasn’t copied or stolen.
>>18267842Industrial revolution and America. Before the 15th century Italy was still the richest place in Europe, maybe on Earth.
>>18267842Aren't modern Greeks like 30% Slav?
>>18267842Greek here.Looking at our history from the Achaians to today I'd say we were always subhuman leeches.Our people were always backstabbing eachother and looking only for themselves since time immemorial.Most of the stuff we came up with could've been made anywhere, we just happened to be first.And keep in mind that most of our inventors, philosophers and other big historic figures were basically nobles with a lot of free time, because they had slaves do all the dumb labour for them. Socrates, Archimedes etc. were basically the cream of the crop.So it's not that we became worse as time passed, it's that we just haven't changed that much, which arguably is even worse.
>>18268631cucked
Will Greece ever pay its debnts?
