I seriously cannot wrap my brain around the Reformed/Calvinist understanding of the sacraments. It's really confusing for me. Like Catholic, Orthodox, Lutheran, Baptist, mostly have straightforward views about what they think happens in Christian ritual. But like how do you not hold to baptismal regeneration and yet still think baptism is a sacrament/means of grace that washes away sin? Wtf does it even mean that Christ is "spiritually present" in communion? Like how does that even work? Idgi...
>>18267945Bread and wine are two examples of things made possible by the Spirit, manifestations of the Spirit. You're supposed to be grateful for the things made possible by the Spirit, treat such things with their proper respect and understanding about from whence such things are made possible. As for baptism, it is either the forcible causing of one to recognize the authority of the body of Chris or the willing joining of it by the same means. In either case, once recognition is made the individual is presumed to have received the revelation and their past transgressions against God are not held against them for future judgement.
>>18267945Presbys are just baptists on sacramentology but want to larp as trad so they throw in a bunch of word salad to hide the fact that baptism and communion do nothing. >NOOOO WE BELIEVE BAPTISM DOES SAVE....BUT THE EFFECT HAPPENS LATER IN LIFE DURING REGENERATION>NOOOO UNELECT BAPTIZED INFANTS ARE GRAFTED INTO THE VISIBLE COVENANT SO THATS SOMETHING! SEE SEE BAPTISM DOES SOMETHING! MUH SIGN AND SEAL!It's pretentious.
It becomes easier to understand once you realize they are semi-gnostics.
