Why is masturbation considered a 'grave matter' by the Church? I've seen people try to justify it as pertaining to the sixth commandment, but last I checked sperm cells aren't living entities, it's only at conception when life is created. The 'don't commit adultery' thing doesn't work for me either because I'm not cheating on my spouse with anyone, unless you wanna pull some mental gymnastics and suggest that I'm cheating on my spouse with myself.
a character in the bible is killed by god for spilling his seed (actually for disobeying god)
>>18269220MASTURBATION IS ABUSE OF A BIOLOGICAL FUNCTION, THEREFORE, IT IS ANTINATURAL, THEREFORE, IT IS PERVERSE, APART FROM CAUSING PHYSICAL AND PSYCHICAL DISORDERS, AND DEFICIENCIES.SEMEN IS CONDENSED SPIRIT, WHICH IS UNREPLENISHABLE, FINITE, THEREFORE, IT IS PRECIOUS, AND SHOULD BE RESERVED FOR PROCREATION; EVERY EJACULATION IS AN EXCRETION OF ONE'S LIFE, A «LITTLE DEATH».
>>18269237Enjoy burning.
>>18269220>last I checked sperm cells aren't living entitiesThey literally are, that's what a cell is
>>18269249They aren't ensouled.
>>18269248?
>>18269237>ANTINATURALMany animals perform masturbation, but they are not affected by original sin.
>>18269257>࿇ C Œ M G E N V S ࿇You're a TRVD LVRPer. You're going to split Hell wide open when you take your last worthless breath.
>>18269254said who
>>18269280Says the Church, who claims that life begins at conception (the union of a sperm and an egg), not before.
>>18269225>>18269237Since women don't release semen or eggs during orgasm, does this mean female masturbation is allowed but male masturbation isn't?
>>18269284whose church
>>18269273ANIMALS ARE SUSCEPTIBLE TO PERVERSE HABITS.
>>18269290The Catholic Church, for one, enshrines it as part of their doctrine, but there's support from the Bible itself as well, specifically Jeremiah 1:5 and Psalms 139:13
>>18269288NO; IT IS STILL ANTINATURAL AND PERNICIOUS; WOMEN DO NOT PRODUCE SEMEN, BUT VITAL ENERGY IS STILL INVOLVED IN THE SEXUAL ACT.
>>18269237Proof?
>>18269220It is succumbing to carnal desires (Romans 8:13) and desecrating the temple of the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:19).
>>18269278What "denomination" are you I wanna know so i dont have to enjoy burning
>>18269220Must we really need to discuss this?Sin is all about the *misuse* and perversion of God's intended designEyes are for seeingEars are for hearingGenitals are for consummating marriage and partaking in the glory of creating new life, not jacking off all dayYes, masturbation, drugs, and overeating are all sins. No buts
>>18269421I'm not arguing against masturbation being a sin, but I am questioning its status as a MORTAL sin as opposed to a VENIAL sin.
>>18269422Mortal Sin because it is a misuse and perversion of the intended designBut please bear in mind that Hell will not open unless you have a FULL rejection of God's willIf you feel guilty for your actions, then you have not given your full consent to reject God.Guilt does not excuse the sinful act, but it shows that you are still within God's grace, and it is best to not waste it
>>18269427I do feel guilt and I am sad for my weakness and lack of self-discipline, but I also still look up to Jesus Christ as God the Son and the savior sent to save us from sinI only hope that by this acknowledgement of my iniquities and desire for Christ's forgiveness that I can still be saved
If you end up getting married, cranking now is stealing sperm and masculine energy from your future wife. If you don't end up getting married, you're perventing an act that has been created and blessed only for married people. >>18269225It wasn't just spilling his seed, it was denying his wife (childless deceased brother's wife that Israelite law commanded a brother to marry and bear heir for deceased one) children, by pulling out/spilling seed.
>>18269237>C O O M G E N U S
>>18269220It feels good, therefore feeble people without self control FEAR the implications and need it banned for everyone due to their own weakness.
>>18269220There is nothing in the bible that forbids masturbation. Moses listed a lot of things when giving the laws of sexual morality, masturbation was not one of them. Anybody who says its forbidden is engaging in religious innovation.
>>18269248wow didn't know enjoy hell anon was a gooner
>>18269422It actually wasn't codified as a mortal sin until recently in history. I learned it from some trad chud who didn't like the post-Vatican II Catechism
>>18270570Considering semen as condensed spirit is heretical
>>18269237This is just objectively wrong. Your balls are producing more semen all the time (at least they would if you stopped taking estrogen) and if you don't jizz it out it expires on its own, again, to be replaced by freshly made semen.
>>18270863EVENTUALLY, THE JUICE MAY FLOW, BUT NO MORE PULP.
It's just obviously against Gods design. You were meant to cum in your wife, not your hand. Sex is sacred.
>>18269220>>18269422I'm not catholic, so I don't have a firm stance on the whole mortal and venial sin categorizations, but 1 Corinthians 6 makes me think masturbators don't go Heaven.>Do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! πόρνος... none of these will inherit the kingdom of God.πόρνοςpornos>From pernemi (to sell; akin to the base of piprasko); a (male) prostituteA few verses later:>Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Should I therefore take the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? Never! Do you not know that whoever is united to a prostitute becomes one body with her? For it is said, “The two shall be one flesh.” But anyone united to the Lord becomes one spirit with him. Shun πορνεία! Every sin that a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against the body itself. Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, which you have from God, and that you are not your own? For you were bought with a price; therefore glorify God in your body.πορνείαporneia>From porneuo; harlotry (including adultery and incest)Is there really any difference between paying a prostitute for sex and masturbating to a prostitute's online photos? The warning that one who's sexually immoral sins against the body itself seems to me to further hammer in the idea that it's not necessarily about just literal sex, but even solitary acts like masturbation. And can one really imagine telling the incarnated Jesus about masturbating and him giving the thumbs up in response, saying: "That's totally cool with me!"?
>>18269220If you want to live in the literal presence of God then you should stop embarrassing yourself in front of him..
>>18269389Independent Fundamentalist Baptist. (King James Only, of course.)
>>18269220emission of semen before evening means you are unclean until the evening.
>>18270035>If you end up getting married, cranking now is stealing sperm and masculine energy from your future wifeLmao women don't like sex, they just tolerate it to get you hooked and then once you're trapped they give you dead bedroom
>>18272021Maybe for you buddehif only you really knew....
>>18269421Is walking on your hands a sin?
It's some kind of extremely personal topic so of course the busybodies want to convince you it's "sinful" so they can swindle you into believing their magical bullshit is important, just like all grifters do.
