Why do Protestants hate Mary so much nowadays? Even the men who invented their religion would be sick if they saw the current state of Protestantism
>>18269595From what I've seen they dont hate Mary. They hate Catholics for blatantly worshipping her but not admitting to it even though its very fucking obvious to any outside observer with working eyes and a functioning brain that you do.
Maybe they saw her true face and soured on her existence.
>>18269595Rejecting Mary's ascent into heaven in the flesh and the title "Queen of Heaven" (official Catholic Church title btw) is not "hating Mary".
>>18269595Forget about Protestants for a minute. Why do Catholics love and shill Mary so much? She gave birth to Jesus and....that's it. I'm sure she was a fine woman, but there's nowhere in the Bible where she's depicted as having a heavy hand in Jesus's ministry. Even Mary Magdalene had more of a role.
>>18269752Keep reminding the gringos of this because they keep getting smarter and trickier in ways to go about this.
>>18269743>We call her Queen of Heaven, even though it's a title linked to pagan worship in Jeremiah. No problem there! >We throw huge festivals in her name instead of Jesus because we don't need to focus on Jesus. No problem there!>We kneel in front of her statue and she's always the first to come to mind in regard to having our prayers reach God. No problem there! >We go against scripture of Jesus Himself downplaying Mary's maternity status being a reason to be exalted ( John 2:3–4, John 19:26–27, Luke 11:27–28, Matthew 12:46–50) and create a bunch of titles and dogmas around her materinity role. No problem there! >We gave her her own special prayer, even though Jesus gave one to direct it straight to the Father and He and the other apostles giving zero mention of having Mary being a point of prayer. No problem there! >And if you DO have a problem with any of that, then I'll offer no rebuttals to any of the points raised and call you a Protestant and call it a day
>>18269757>GringosHispanics are the ones who worship Mary the most lol
>>18269772Do white Catholics even exist in any relevant for anymore?
>>18269779Does it matter? None of the denominations are getting shit done, it's been total stagnation for way too long.
>>18269779They exist but are practically secular, like mainline prots. >>18269782The Catholic church gets a lot done in trafficking adult fighting-age male "refugees" from the global south into the west!
>>18269595They don't hate her, they just don't worship her like Catholics do
>>18269849Protties also make her a deity by insisting God needed her womb to walk amongst creation.
>>18269869That poll is a trick question right? Jesus is not a creature
>>18269872He absolutely is a creature as all men are. But even if we consider the Son person before incarnation (taking on the created human nature that made him Jesus) then he is still very plainly created.
>>18269869>Protties also make her a deityNot true. It's only Catholics that worship Mary
>>18269878You don't have to worship her to believe she is a deity. The bible itself is quite hentotheistic
>>18269876>posts text written about wisdom, not God himself aka Jesus
>>18269889It's tongue in cheek, which is why it's also not capitalized. Satan is also referred to as prince, despite him being a being who wants to exalt himself above God.
>>18269890>doesn't know that logos and sophia are basically the same thingRead the verse, that was God's first act.
>>18269895Jesus is not considered part-God part-man, he is considered fully God and fully man at once. As such, he cannot be a creature.
>>18269772They are not the ones trying to manifest the queen of heaven at a large scale through entertainment, gaming, internet and all around social warfare against masculinity while promoting copious amount of female sexuality for coomers and incels that would welcome a goddess figure etcAnd don't even get me started on all the technology that your people have hijacked and harnessed to be able to screw around with people's minds and God knows what else.Thats all on you guys hands, especially this website.
>>18269894No it means that Satan is the deity of this world in a manner that is similar to God. Unless you want to say he is his representative or something. Also the exact letters for θεὸς is also used in https://biblehub.com/text/matthew/15-4.htm
>>18269897So you're saying the atoms that built his body are eternal? You're saying there is an eternal human nature that was never created which he later took upon himself? Also that's just a plain logical contradiction, you cannot assign to the same subject opposing characteristics unless you separate it into parts. And anyway this whole branch of theology is extremely pagan so I am not sure why you have a problem with created gods
>>18269912>you cannot assign to the same subject opposing characteristics unless you separate it into partsSo you reject the trinity, I figured as much.
>>18269917Yes and the incarnation. However there are logically valid forms of the trinity, they all fall into heresies. For example pic rel which says that the Father is the only true God and the others are mere images
>>18269900They're just as culpable for perpetuating the goddess status attributed to Mary, they're far from innocent. Even if the Catholic church set things up to go this way, are they really blameless if they choose not to engage critically with the text and internalize truth for themselves?
>Oh, you don't worship Mary in stead of God?>You must hate her.Why are papists like this?
PROTESTANTS HATE THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY, BECAUSE THEY ARE UNDER THE INFLUENCE OF THE ETERNAL ENEMY.>Then the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went away to make war on the rest of her children, who obey God's commandments and have in themselves the witness of Jesus.• REVELATION XII, 17.
>>18269595Explain how worshiping a jewish woman can give a people eternal life. Or don't, and admit you're a jew worshiping noahide.
>>18269947We've seen your posts before because of your "noahide" catchphrase. You keep trying to insert yourself into conversations where you're not wanted or needed. It's pathetic.
>>18269944Your first pope was Satan according to Jesus in the bible see: Matthew 16:23>The ancient Christian churches venerate Peter as a major saint and the founder of the Church of Antioch and the Church of Rome,[1]
>>18269889Protestants don't believe she's a deity
>>18269969How retarded do you have to be to take a verse like that so widely out of context? This is something a 14 year old would think and write.
>>18270012Did Jesus call your first pope Satan? yes or no
>>18269900>while promoting copious amount of female sexuality for coomers and incels that would welcome a goddess figure etcYeah. What Mary is so known for. Sexual promiscuity.
>>18269978If you believe she was the Theotokos then you're making her a deity. You only stop short of worshiping her like the traditional churches do
>>18270024Let me turn this on you: Do you think Jesus literally called Peter Satan? As in, the person following Him and helping Him in his ministry was the actual Satan that fell from Heaven? You're either trolling, or your critical thinking skills are at a remedial level.
>>18270048>hurr he was just metaphorically SatanNotice how you aren't answering. That's because deep down you also know your first pope was Satan since that is explicitly what Jesus calls him in the bible. Also unlike you I will actually answer, yes! Paul also hates this hypocrite, read Galatians 2
>>18269969>>18270024>>18270060Peter's cross makes so much sense now...
>>18269595I've never heard a Protestant be hateful about Mary. Normally they say she was a pious woman but don't like Catholics' over-veneration of her.I find it funny that e-Catholics think the Reformers saying positive things about Mary is some kind of gotcha. Luther explicitly preached against excessive veneration of Mary or asking any saints for intercession.
>>18270060I know you're a dumb faggot who is vastly overestimating his ability in trolling people, but I'll blow out your weak shit anyway. Peter was acting in the interest and framework of a man, trying to deny Jesus's upcoming sacrifice out of his own feelings, but Jesus rebukes him in the same vein of being an adversary to God's divine plan>“Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; for you are not setting your mind on the things of God, but on the things of men.”As for Paul:>Whether Paul or Apollos or Cephas… all are yours.” (1 Cor 3:22)Cephas is Peter's name. Now, run along, retard. Go try to bullshit someone else.
>>18270109What's that? The cathcuck got mad? Keep it coming, bicurious sissyboys with a mommy fetish are humorous. Don't forget to get on your knees to get some of that cock milk from your diddling priest and some boob milk from your goddess >Peter was acting in the interest and framework of a manSatan wanted Jesus crucified. Read Luke 22:3-6>Jesus rebukes him in the same vein of being an adversary to God's divine planYou do know that Satan is literally just "adversary" right? But in this sense it was used as an identifier of your faggot pope. Jesus was criticizing him for acting human there. Basically telling him to shut the fuck up and stop pretending >Cephas is Peter's name.That's my point, I showed you where Paul makes it clear that he hates this guy because he's a Jew who loves the law in private
>>18269969It's because Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. “Never, Lord!” he said. “This shall never happen to you".what is that to you? You must follow me.
>>18270135Not even Catholic and I'm not reading any of that. How does it feel?
>>18270066Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown downVery truly I tell you, when you were younger you dressed yourself and went where you wanted; but when you are old you will stretch out your hands, and someone else will dress you and lead you where you do not want to go.” Jesus said this to indicate the kind of death by which Peter would glorify God. Then he said to him, “Follow me!
>>18270171>what is that to you?It's Jesus condemning the first catholic pope. Satan>>18270175I don't expect much out of those that refuse to reason, cover their eyes and plug their eyes>For Scripture says to Pharaoh: “I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth.” Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.>What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction?You're meant to be an example according to Paul
>>18270198>Satan"Lord, who is going to betray you?” When Peter saw him, he asked, “Lord, what about him?”If I want him to remain alive until I return, what is that to you? You must follow me.If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angelsThis is Jesus,the king of the jews
Could Jesus cast fireball?
>>18270198>I hate Christianity and I want to attack it! Engage in my rage bait! No lol
>>18270229Yes.He baptizes with the Holy spirit, and fire.
>>18270265Does that make him a paladin or a priest? Or a wizard?
>>18269595It is a kind of spiritual pride. They don't want to admit another human being is holier than they are.
>>18270275>you don't think Mary is "Queen of Heaven" huh? heh.. must be your pride
>>18270275By that same token, you could apply that to Jesus Christ. Your argument falls flat.
>>18270260>Greco-Roman syncretism larping as a Christianity>I totally can defend my Satanic pope, just don't wannalmao, thanks for your concession
>>18270198>exampleDo not tell them about me.If you are healed, then go, and present yourself.
>>18270288Remember when you sperged out about the church when I clocked your shitty troll and I wasn't even Catholic? That was funny. By the way, you're sincerely low IQ.
>>18270283You can try to suppress the truth, but when it returns, it immerses and cleans with the holy spirit, and fire.
>>18270302Suppress what truth? Is Mary coming in a chariot to purge the world with hellfire?
>>18270299Remember the time you were larping as anything but a dirty papist in order to deceive people into thinking you have a hidden super secret argument that totally btfos Jesus and Paul? That was funny. By the way, your IQ is nonexistent
>>18270299>wasn't even CatholicCatholics dont care about shitty trolling. They are on a yacht towing their own line.
>>18270308Huh? What? Stop replying to me.
>>18270306>what truthFor example, when a cigarette company tells you that smoking is good good you, but then everyone dies of cancer because they are smoking. The truth is revealed, regardless of what those who "claim" authority say. This is why the secular world is so susceptible to propaganda. They worship lab coats. They suffer from enclothed cognition.As to your question about Mary.Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother. When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home.
>>18269897Fully God and fully man is not once mentioned in the bible.
>>18270314Look Pedro, I know you're desperate to shift the conversation away from the words of Jesus but this is beyond pathetic. Especially for someone who claims not to be a choirboy with an asshole thoroughly loosened by Satan's church
>>18269944He's likely talking about Zion. The Beloved Jerusalem. God's wife and the mother of the Israelites.
>>18270038The idol certainly is.
>>18269753Because catholicism elevates Mary to God status and co redemptress in their own words. This is heresy equal to the one in Jeremiah where jews were worshipping the said queen of heaven and got what they deserved for it.
>>18269900>>18269766>>18270342Why do Protestants obsess over the Jewish Bible so much? Haven't they ever learned the doctrine of supersessionism?
>>18269969That's a little far, but the idea that Peter conferred infallibility is hilarious as the entire text of Peter is like: Peter does/says/thinks X, X turns out to be wrong, Peter is gracious and accepts that X is wrong and repents and accepts that he is wrong all the time. The Pope is literally the opposite of this and is just blatantly wrong all the time but then asserts he can never be wrong because he inherited his position from the guy who was always wrong. It truly blows the mind.
>>18270431Daily reminder that God lives in Israel, not Rome.Numbers 35:34>You must not defile the land where you live, for I live there myself. I am YAHU, who lives among the people of Israel.”
>>18269595Anyone who is sane will agree wholeheartedly that catholicism is the definition of poison.
>>18270449>then asserts he can never be wrong because he inherited his position from the guy who was always wrongThis is just getting basic information about Catholicism wrong.
>>18270460Wherever there is an Israelite, that's where you'll find God.
>>18270473How can the Pope declare something infallibly then? And never change it? If the entire point of Peter is that he got very important stuff wrong all the time?
>>18270431>nooooooooo you can't cite the Old Testament but we can cite a random sentence in Maccabees reeeeeeeee
>>18269960worshiping jewish vagina is a devil's poison and you are selling death
>>18270522Papal infallibility has only been ever claimed a miniscule number of times, and claimed as such by being a result of revelation. It is not claimed constantly and in all decisions. And it has strict guidelines to be trusted and respected by the rest of the Church, including adherence to long held traditions. Peter was wrong about many things, but he was infallibly right about Christ as the son of God and savior of the world.
>>18270522The point of Peter (a foundation of logic) is not that it can be wrong. Its that we need to have a foundation of understanding to even have a discussion of right and wrong. Where two or three gather in my name, there am I with themIf a logical framwork is seeking self indulgence, rather than the good of thr culture, then it leads to nemesis, which is decay and entropy of an egregore.A house divided will not stand.Peter can only philo, and not agape, and so, he must love his neighbor as himself. This is the same command as loving your God with all your heart and soul and mind and body.
>>18270529Every sentence in the new testament is more important than any in the old testament.
>>18270555The christian egregore has been cut and is bleeding. It's over, it's dead.
>>18270562real-world data doesn't support a sudden collapse:Globally, Christianity remains the largest religion, with about 2.6 billion adherents (around 32% of the world population) in 2025, growing especially in Africa and Asia.Show me a larger egregore, and I'll notice his noodles too.Very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to youThen I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea
>>18270562The secular world tried to create an egregore. It became a joke, and was eaten up by some low ranking meme.
>>18270559Ok? Doesn't mean the NT doesn't expect you to be intimately familiar with the OT.
>>18270602Also, because Muslims also highly venerate Jesus, its worth understanding Jesus, as he influences half the planet. Telling people he doesn't exist is foolish.What I say to you, I say to all: Watch!Even if you think he is a corrupt egregore, you wont do yourself any good by pretending that he isn't there.
The entire argument for Roman Catholicism is that: while they lost the religious debate in Europe and had to rely on military force to maintain their control of southern Europe; the RCC has done an amazing job at being popular in Latin America and the Philippines and by having 90% of its members being cultural members has a massively inflated head count. That's why when they count Christians by Sunday attendance the RCC is actually not a particularly large denomination. Having 100 Mexicans who go to Church exclusively for Baptisms isn't better than even 2 Africans who go 52 times a year.
>>18270602Christianity is the fastest dying religion on the planet by an absurd extent. It won't exist in 10 years.>>18270612No it didnt. Atheism is growing far faster than any religion and has completely destroyed traditional religions. You losers coping and pretending this isn't the case won't stop it from being the case.
>>18269595>Protestants hate MaryI dont think they hate Mary at all. Thats crazy talk for atheists. They just are more grass roots, and they relate more to Joseph. They tend to be more masculine than the sheltered woman of the catholic church.
>>18270641Atheism is just the lack of religious beliefs. Pretty sure Wicca typed religions are the fastest growing. I see it everywhere IRL. Plenty of people who claim to be atheists seem to become Wiccan or other New Aged religions in fox-hope type situations, so if anything it's becoming the actual default religion.
Are the Catholic posters on this board just trolls? They don't seem to make real arguments. Meanwhile if some random protestant point is being debated it goes crazy and it seems like both sides have seriously thought out positions based in scripture, Church fathers, and logic. Catholic points are just screaming.
>>18270653It is the faith of christians for being soft. Evil people just be killed or evil flourishes. The wicked should be afraid of the righteous. Witches must be burned.
>>18270641Atheism dosn't grow. It is entropy, like anarchy. Its a privation of a thought form.Even if your nomenclature sticks, the bible will just be rewritten in other terms. Who cares. Thats just semantics. I baptize you with water for repentance. But after me comes one who is more powerful than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and firePeople will still follow righteousness, truth, and life. Even if you reword concepts for heretical reasons. If it ever does become mainstream, it wont be heretical anymore.Where two or three gather in my name, there am I with themThen I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any seaAnyway, Jesus already said he was going away, and the new advocate will come to us, so your just agreeing with Jesus, but he said it first. it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you
>>18270670You're going to be locked in a cage by artificially intelligent machines and tortued forever, and no matter how much you scream and wail and beg, you're never going to be saved.Unlike your faggot made up god, this is real and really is going to happen to you, very very soon. You are not righteous, and you have no power.You know this is true in your heart, but you just repress the truth in unrighteousness.
>>18270672Atheism is growing faster than any religion.https://prri.org/press-release/new-survey-shows-religiously-unaffiliated-is-fastest-growing-religious-category/Christianity (and buddhism, but especially christianity) is the fastest dying religion on the planet.You continuing to copy and paste your schizo quotes all the time in response to actual data and arguments shows precisely why your religion is dying.
>Continuing to copy and paste cope>"You continuing to copy and paste your schizo quotes ..."
>>18270670>Witches must be burnedIf they are truly wrong (as their phonetic name implies, due to a confusion about where they are going) they will be baptized with fire. They should listen to the holy spirit, and stop being so confused with their sorcery and miss-spellings. Mutations are required for progress, but its very risky, and most mutations end badly. I prefer the shelter of the Lord. I am the true vine, and my Father is the gardener. He cuts off every branch in me that bears no fruit, while every branch that does bear fruit he prunes so that it will be even more fruitful. You are already clean because of the word I have spoken to you. Remain in me
>>18270679Posting data is not "cope", shit for brains.Regurgitating worthless bible quotes is cope.
>>18270685No. Framing the (still) most successful religion in history of the human species as "dying" is cope. Conflating atheism with irreligiosity is more or less a lie, given that we have data to show that most irreligious people do actually have supernatural beliefs, not rarely literally theistic.
>>18270677I already gave you data, and my poinf of view. I guess you ignored it. I already told you, if there was some other nomenclature created to express the truth i have found in the bible, then I would follow it as a new advocate. Your really just not listening to me, because your agenda is entropy. You're just attacking an egregore, but you have nothing to replace it with. Its pure decay. Its just a curse that is deflecting off of me, because I have already heared all of these arguments in the bible. Just with different nomenclature.
>>18270694>No. Framing the (still) most successful religion in history of the human species as "dying" is copeNo it isnt>Conflating atheism with irreligiosity is more or less a lie, given that we have data to show that most irreligious people do actually have supernatural beliefs, not rarely literally theistic.Atheism still grows faster than non-christian religious ideas.>>18270700No you didn't.> I already told you, if there was some other nomenclature created to express the truth i have found in the bible, then I would follow it as a new advocateBuddy, claiming that anything that takes over is just "christianity with another name" is a nonsense position to take.>Your really just not listening to me, because your agenda is entropy. I am listening to what you're saying. You're a shit for brained moron. Your position is that any ideology or position that is stable or not chaotic is secretly christianity even if by another name. It's objectively false and utter nonsense schizobabble.>but you have nothing to replace it withThis is false>Its pure decay.This is false.>Its just a curse that is deflecting off of me, because I have already heared all of these arguments in the bible. Just with different nomenclature.No, you haven't. Naturalist ontology has produced more results in a few hundred years than christianity did in almost 2000 years. It is not 'decay" or "entropy" nor is it "christianity by another name".
>>18270715>Atheism still grows faster than non-christian religious ideas.The growth of atheism is on a verge of statistical error, Anon. Theism is doing just fine, it's just moving outside established institutions. And Christianity is still number one. Cope
>>18270715>No it isnt>No you didn't.>This is false>This is falsePointless
>>18270718>The growth of atheism is on a verge of statistical error, AnonIt literally isn't. About one-half of the young generations are atheists, a larger percentage than ever before.> Theism is doing just fineTheism in general is declining.>it's just moving outside established institutions. And Christianity is still number one. CopeThis is straight up false.>>18270720you're a moron. I directly refuted your main thesis.
>>18270730As long as you conflate atheism with irreligiosity, and theism with religiosity, you're completely lost. Read the fine print.
>>18270715>you have nothing to replace it with>this is false>doesn't provide any reasoning to replace what he is randomly rejecting.Lulz. Come on dude. This is silly. You're spirit is pure entropy.
>>18270730>I directly refuted your main thesis.You dont even know what my thesis is.
>>18270736Atheism i.e. "disbelief in god" is one-half of the young generation.Theism also isn't christianity. Muslims are theists and are not christians. >>18270738We already replaced it with Naturalism, which is true, not christian, and has completely destroyed theism in general. This is not "pure entropy" nor is it "christianity with another name", you're just retarded.Naturalism has produced more results than christianity in 200 years vs christianities 2000. This is the opposite of "entropy", dumbass.
>>18270738>You're*your
>>18270656It comes with the territory of dogmatic faith that Catholics engage in. There's no need to question or argue anything.
>>18270656Faith doesn't need to justify itself.
>>18270742>"disbelief in god" is one-half of the young generationFactually incorrect. Post data or wear the badge of shame proudly.
>>18270742The claim that naturalism has "completely destroyed theism" or replaced Christianity as the dominant worldview is not supported by evidence. Globally, as of recent data (Pew Research Center estimates for 2020, with trends holding into 2025):Christians: ~2.3–2.6 billion (around 29–32% of world population)Muslims: ~2 billion (25–26%)Hindus: ~1.2 billion (15%)Religiously unaffiliated: ~1.9 billion (24%, including atheists, agnostics, and "nothing in particular")Theism (belief in God/gods) remains the majority position worldwideOn scientific achievements: Modern empirical science emerged in a Christian cultural context (medieval to early modern Europe), with pioneers like Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, Newton, Boyle, and Pascal explicitly motivated by theistic beliefs—e.g., the universe is orderly because created by a rational God, making it intelligible to human reasonNaturalism explains a lot empirically; theism addresses "why" questions many find compellingYou still need motivation to actualize. Naturalism is just the "how to do", but bot the why to do that actually motivates life.You are essentially telling people to worship their tools. Naturalism is an idol. I choose to use it when it serves a purpose. But I dont worship my tools.
>>18270767Half of those Christians are not actually christian. For example, the netherlands (if I recall, it could be some other european state) counts people as being christian if they're baptised in the church as babies, but the people don't actually believe in the religion. This is true for most white people in general.And 'religiously unaffiliated" is the only one of those thats growing as a percentage of the overall global population.>On scientific achievements: Modern empirical science emerged in a Christian cultural context It specifically rose by people rejecting christianity and the bible and attempting to explain the world empirically.>with pioneers like Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo, Newton, Boyle, and Pascal explicitly motivated by theistic beliefs—e.g., the universe is orderly because created by a rational God, making it intelligible to human reasonLiterally false, this is a christian apologist lie. The motivation was specifically during the enlightenment and marked by a rejection of christianity.>Naturalism explains a lot empirically; theism addresses "why" questions many find compellingWrong, theism does not explain "why", naturalism does that as well.>You still need motivation to actualize. Naturalism is just the "how to do", but bot the why to do that actually motivates life.This is also wrong. Naturalism explains the how and the why things are.>You are essentially telling people to worship their tools. Naturalism is an idol. I choose to use it when it serves a purpose. But I dont worship my tools.Naturalism is an ontology, not a tool. Monistic naturalism is literally the only metaphysically coherent position.Christianity is false and dying. This is a good thing, as lies deserve to die.
>>18269872Protestants tend to think so. 72% of Protestants affirm a Nestorian or Arian heresy.
>>18270969It's amusing that papists think they have any standing to declare what is or isn't heresy when a large chunk of their doctrine is counter to their own holy book.
>>18270631>while they lost the religious debate in EuropeYou mean Kings got pissy that they couldn't whore anymore and merchants helped them subvert the system because they'd be able to profiteer harder without the Church telling them they couldn't commit usury anymore. Henry the 8th raped the monestaries and the masses when he legalized usury as much as he raped his wives.
>>18271030History ain't got no uses for excuses. The Romans lost.
>>18270912>Christianity is false and dyingI've already addressed this. At this point, you are arguing ad nauseum against a straw man. Good luck. metaphysical naturalism (or ontological naturalism) is a distinct philosophical position with assertions. I already told you, I can choose to ignore untested assertions, and new nomenclature, and go with the more established egregore, that has been tested for thousands of years. Show me what motivates your egregore, and who is motivated by it, and what it does to its culture, and I will listen, and decide if its worthy of following.~40–50% of scientists believe in God/higher power per Pew/AAAS data). Globally, a metophysical naturalism is a minority position, likely under 15%.But none of this matters to my point of view. You are just ignoring what I am saying.You're arguing this verse, because you have defined God as a "ghost".When the disciples saw him walking on the lake, they ignored him. “It’s a ghost,” they laughed, and cried out in disbelief. Jesus said, "don't worry, it is I".
>>18271030Lot of seethe there huh. But there is no Queen of Heaven. Simple as.
>>18269766>>We gave her her own special prayer, even though Jesus gave one to direct it straight to the Father and He and the other apostles giving zero mention of having Mary being a point of prayer. No problem there!the Hail Mary is from the Gospel of Luke.Luke 1:28> And the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.Luke 1:42> And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb.
>>18269595England is the Dowry of Mary
>>18271088>I've already addressed this.You didn't.>40–50% of scientists believe in God/higher power per Pew/AAAS data).This is wrong. about 73% of scientists do not believe in a personal god, with 20% being agnostic. Thus over 90% are not theists.And you are specifically talking about christianity, which is false. Jesus did not rise from the dead.
>>18269595>hating someone who, if they actually existed, lived 2000 years ago.
>>18271735No one is complaining about the Ave Maria or the Magnificat being used as a canticle. Issue is the Regina caeli/coeli shit.
