Why is the Pacific Front so heroic and epic compared to the war in Europe?
>>18269771It had the highest proportion of Good Old Boys participating. Also the local massacres were inflicted on chinks so who cares, and the nukes were cool.
>>18269771It was a tragic horror. Starving to death, dying of sickness, burning from flamethrowers, being stabbed by bayonets, neither side hardly showing any quarter, constant brutal fighting etc. It was war at it's most horrific
>>18269816>the nukes were coolKys unironically
>>18269846Sorry I knew you'd have preferred if they were dropped on Germans but the Japs got it in the end it is what it is
>>18269851>Sorry I knew you'd have preferred if they were dropped on GermansHow did you come to that conclusion?
>>18269886That's usually the real motivation behind performative opposition to the nukes, see Oppenheimer
>>18269771The Pacific theatre was much more heroic because the soldiers had a reason to be there, the proverbial spear was thrust into the ground at Pearl Harbor and the foreign nature of the conquerors encouraged their spirit. In Europe there was no room for heroism, Americans were brutalizing their own people, bombing cathedrals and leveling civilian housing. This is a part of war, but it damages the validity of any campaign when it is done to one's own people, doubly so if it is known that the victims do not really deserve it. You need both clear delineation and a true motive to establish a war with a narrative that will not eventually become unpalatable. The Pacific had these characteristics effortlessly, and the European theatre could never have it.
>>18269893>The Pacific had these characteristics effortlesslyNo it didn't, FDR did whatever he could to enter the war because he wanted to help the Soviets and Churchill.
>>18269901Yeah I mean I am not saying that America was attacked unprovoked or anything, the oil embargo was as close as FDR could get to an outright declaration of war given the circumstances. I am just saying that the necessary level of imaging was present for the Pacific theatre, and that this imaging was not present for the European theatre. The Japanese were Japanese, and they took out a fairly large portion of the Pacific fleet in one attack. This wasn't just some token ship exploding somewhere, it was canonized by the U.S military in ways that other similar events have not.
>>18269892I oppose using nukes because it was evil
>>18269893It's the opposite. The European war was heroic for America since they were liberating the continent from the Nazis. In the Pacific however the US was waging an unnecessary war of aggression against Japan
>>18269991On some level you have to know this is cope right? Where is the revisionism for Japan if this is truly the case? Most people don't even care that Japanese civilians were firebombed and nuked into submission. Compare that with the sometimes insane levels of revisionism people are willing to have for Germany and you can very clearly see which theatre was more justified in the eyes of actual people. Mind you this is all taking place in a world where German revisionism was made illegal to speak about in most European countries, meanwhile Japan teaches its revisionism in its public school system.
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>>18271383Yes that is what you will do.
>>18269893>In Europe there was no room for heroism, Americans were brutalizing their own people, bombing cathedrals and leveling civilian housing."THEY KILLED... LE HECKIN WHITE PEOPLE!!!""the holocaust? generalplan ost? fuck off i dont believe that made up nonsense"why are stormkiddies like this?
>>18271512When did I say any of this?
>>18269771There's something inherently noble about defeating untrained, famished conscripts who are suffering from curable tropical diseases they don't have medincines for.
>>18269771>a technologically advanced race of aliens from a remote island with strange plants and animals; a brutal militaristic people that wrote in moonrunes, ate strange foods, followed their own warrior code and had weird politics with interpersonal duels and clan allegiances, fanatically devoted to and willing to die for their Emperor, whom they considered the child of the Sun GodReplace the Pacific with outer space and it's basically a scifi novel.
>>18269851dafuq? Kill yourself. 3…2…1… GO! GO!
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>>18271930Ugh meant for>>18269846Sorry but yeah weird switch up happening here. Nukes were righteous and based.
>>18271936What's the point of fiction when real life is so fascinating, right?
>>18269816The Japanese raped and killed millions of Filipinos, Indonesian Muslims and Vietnamese and also Malaysian Indian Tamils, Malay Muslims in WW2.Japan raped and killed Koreans in the Imjin war.Soviet soldiers and Chinese civilians raped and killed 1 million Japanese civilian settlers in Manchukuo including Japanese girls in August 1945.
>>18269901>>18269908US embargoed Japan for invading French Indochina in 1940, after US supplied Japan with 90% of its war material.Japan planned to invade the rest of SEA including the US held Philippines after French Indochina, which is why the US embargoed themUS never embargoed Japan for attacking ChinaJapan sent agents like Satokata Takahashi to America in the 1930s, calling on Blacks to do race war against whites and joining the Pacific Movement of the Eastern World.Japan killed US pilot Robert McCawley Short in 1932 and bombed USS Panay in 1937Japan never planned on allying with the US
>>18269901>>18269908>>18272019That was after Japan invaded Fremch Indochina in 1940, retard.The US embargoed Japan and sent Flying Tigers in response to Japan invading French Indochina.Japan had 2 war plans if they failed to defeat China by 1940.The Japanese army wanted to invade Soviet SiberiaThe Japanese navy wanted to invade Southeast Asia. Including the American held Philippines.The US, UK and Dutch knew about these plans, and continued selling oil to Japan against China unless Japan publicly put the second plain into actionJapan was defeated by the Soviets at Khalkhin Gol when it tried probing Soviet defences.Japan invading French Indochina in 1940 publicly signaled to the west that it was planning to conquer Philippines, Dutch East Indies and British colonies.Both Japan and the west knew this, hence the western embargo against Japan and flying tigers. The Hull note was a last ditch attempt at a chance to avoid warThe US never embargoed Japan or sent the Flying Tigers when Japan was attacking China all the way from 1931-1940US didn't embargo Japan when it started full scale war against China in 1937US embargoed Japan because Japan planned to.conquer US and other western colonies in SEAChiang Kai-shek deliberately tried to avoid fighting Japan and was forced to fight Japan at gunpoint in the Xi'an incident in 1936.This is how you can tell how someone is a subhuman bot repeating Japanese propaganda from a real personChinese fought and killed Japanese in spite of Chiang's efforts to help Japan, not because of him.Chiang tried to sent 120,000 troops to fight the Ili rebellion in Xinjiang away from Japan in 1944-1946 and refused to let them fight Japan.Chinese fought and crushed Japan in the Second Guangxi campaign in 1945 in spite of Chiang trying to help the Japanese.
>>18269901>>18269908>>18272019>>18272022Roosevelt never embargoed Japan for attacking China.US continued supplying most of Japan's oil, iron, copper and rubber from 1937-1940 against China.Roosevelt embargoed Japan for invading French Indochina in 1940, because the US knew Japan's actual war plan involved conquering all of Southeast Asia including the US held Philippines.French Indochina itself had no oil and few known resources at the time.Japan planned to use French Indochina to attack the rest of SEA for oil and rubber.Japan also invaded French Indochina after China defeated Japan at the battle of Kunlun pass in Guangxi and the battle of Wuyuan in West Suiyuan battle.Japan planned to sever China's last remaining land borders with the French at Kunlun pass and with Soviet Central Asia at West suiyuan (by invading Ningxia, Gansu and Qinghai to cut the Hexi corridor Gansu road to Xinjiang and the Longhai railway in Shaanxi).Britain already closed the Burma road and British India in early 1940 upon Japan's request.Japan lost both battles, failing to sever China's borders, and instead invaded French Indochina to cut the border there and get ready to invade the rest of SEA.
