Why were the gas chamber rooms (allegedly used for delousing clothing) bigger than necessary and directly connected to the crematorias?
>>18277682presumably because the crematoria were built after the war to make the story more believable
Define holocaust
>>18277689The intentional mass murder of prisoners held in German camps.
The Leichenkellers weren't for delousing clothing. The delousing chambers for clothing were called Gaskammer. Deniers alleged that they were described as on floor plans, which were morgues (Leichenkeller is literally just corpse cellar or morgue). Only when you bring up the cyanide levels and the holes in the ceiling that they say don't exist do they allege that they may have at some point briefly been used as delousing chambers for clothes to explain that, which is a hilarious admission that they did in fact have cyanide there and a system of introducing it in an underground basement that was supposed to just be used to temporarily store corpses. Which begs the question why they would need so much capacity for so many deaths with 4 of these dedicated buildings.
>>18277695That’s too broad, if they merely shot prisoners they couldn’t feed it would qualify
>>18277682I don’t know but this isn’t evidence anyone was gassed.There is no material evidence gas was used as a form of execution. It isn’t even holocaust denial, you can believe the Nazis murdered 50m people and still not believe the absurd and silly gas chamber story.
>>18277682The proper question is why the Jews in Asia, Europe and North America collectively abstained from having sexual intercourse during the war.
>This is it. This is the question nvke that's *finally* going to make the 5% of the population that's fallen into a worldview that accepts Holocaust denial...reconsider that particular opinion on the Holocaust
>>18277682Buy an ad, Shlomo. No need to talk about the congo genocide every living second.
>>18277682ive been to AVSCHWITZ-BIRKENAV.the place was clearly fake, if there were better proof they wouldnt show Pair of shoes and Human hairs.>ME MVM A LAMPSHADE, MA DADS A SHOE
>>18277682I don't understand why they didn't just burn them alive
>>18278413Or just starve them like the Soiviets did. Its literally free of charge.
>>18278412I mean they admit it was all rebuilt, same as all the other camps.btw I have family that remember the german occupation and who had friends in majdanek camp, while what happened there was truly hell and the german were monsters, there was no gassing going on, mostly shootings and beatings for acting uppity, but no gassing
>we're going to kill all the Jews>instead of simply killing them when found, we're going to round them up into holding facilities and then put them on trains for special camps>yes, I know there's a war going on mein fuhrer and railways are vital logistical arteries for the effort, but we simply MUST tie up a large number of trains and rails just for transporting Jews to camps and supplies to those camps>no we can't simply kill them when they arrive at the camps and dump them in a ditch>they have to be kept alive for months, even years, given various amenities, and then unceremoniously killed at some arbitrary point during their stay in the camp using poison>I know we went to all this special trouble to gather up the Jews, catalog them, house them, feed them, and keep them for a while, and now have a special program to exterminate them, but we can't be bothered to use a special poison, just reuse whatever we have on hand, we have to draw the line somewhere. Zyklon B? The pesticide? Sure whatever>as for body disposal, we should use the least efficient means possible: burn every single body down to particulate ash>yes I'm aware of the fuel expense and how long that will take
>>18278454it's called a humiliation ritual the Soviets did the same with the gulag
I have this idea for a movie. Let’s suppose that God isn’t actually evil and didn’t send a lot of innocent people to their deaths.At the moment a Jew was captured and started to be punished God would replace his or her consciousness with someone from Hell and the consciousness of the Jew would be transported to a different world. These people from Hell would be ordered by God to accept the punishment instead.
>>18279980This idea popped up in my head specifically as a movie. I don’t just want the human to turn into an AI, ideally a human from Hell should take its place.
>>18279994The consciousness of the Nazis could also be put inside one of the Jews and the Nazi would be replaced by someone else, maybe a Jew from Heaven. So whenever the Nazi trapped inside the body of the Jew is getting punished they see themselves doing the punishment. It’s getting complicated, I know.
>>18279980>>18279994>>18280007Jews are fools that believe that they are going to be reincarnated and never consider any other possibilities.https://youtu.be/wp43OdtAAkM
the orthodox holohoax narrative is nonsense, only retards and kikes think otherwise, get fucked.
>>18277682They weren't used for anything involved with Zyklon B, as show in by Leuchter and the independent lab results.
>>18277701how many bomes again?
>>18278454Halfway through, the SS started making money by renting out jewish slave labour, which they required because they basically were FIFA trying to wage a war.
On the gas chambers, I would say that they can be interpreted in multiple ways. I visited Mauthausen recently, for instance, and the gas chamber there was simply a white-tiled room. The only other part of the gas chamber they had was a part of a generic mechanical bunker ventilation system, which the signs explained was stolen by inmates after liberation and returned years later. However, I asked myself (1) where did all the more recognizable parts for a gas chamber's ventilation system go, (2) why does the gas chamber at Mauthausen not resemble the gas chambers at bigger camps, and (3) why was this gas chamber located right next to a morgue room with similar tiling, and down the hall from a room where hangings and shootings would take place? That's a bit superfluous then, isn't it?
>>18280231Adding to this, the camp also uncritically cited Franz Riereis' deathbed confession as evidence for gassings. However, I've looked up the actual confession, and do you know what he says? Quoting from the official, if awkward American translation from May 1945:>During his visit in Mauthausen the Himmler himself gave orders that the prisoners should carry big stones 45 - 60 kg each - showing how to kill them.>The Seidler and Chmielewski had the skin from the murdered bodies prepared and made into satchels, lamp-covers, bookcovers, etc. I did not prepare anything for me because it was forbidden by Berlin.>I know very well that all cruelties by beating prisoners with a stick were forbidden by Berlin, but nevertheless I myself have beaten them for merely sadism.>I have received orders to kill all the prisoners of Guse I and II by blasting the tunnels in the air (Kellervau) at the time when the prisoners would be in, and in the case when the Russian Army should come near. In case when the USA Army should come first prisoners were to be let loose.>For the last time I have met Himmler at Vienna, 7 or 8 weeks ago. I believe that he hides himself somewhere in Czechoslovakia.>Gruppenfuhrer Glucks gave orders to sign sick prisoners as stricken by mental derangements and to gas them. About one million and a half have been murdered in this way. That gas-room lies in Hartheim near Linz, in the direction to PassauSo, did 1.5 million people get gassed at Hartheim, instead of the 18,269 estimated by modern historians? Did Himmler successfully escape to Czechoslovakia? Were lamp covers made from human skin at Mauthausen? And if not, why trust Ziereis when he says there was a gas chamber at Mauthausen?
>>18278454>>instead of simply killing them when found, we're going to round them up into holding facilities and then put them on trains for special campsthey did this doe, like half of all jews that were killed were shot>>yes, I know there's a war going on mein fuhrer and railways are vital logistical arteries for the effort, but we simply MUST tie up a large number of trains and rails just for transporting Jews to camps and supplies to those campsthis is a meme, camp trains were the lowest on the rail priorities, they hardly 'tied up' the railway system and there are documented cases of the military necessity superseding camp authorities >>no we can't simply kill them when they arrive at the camps and dump them in a ditchthey did this doe, camps like treblinka were tiny because their only use was killing jews.>>they have to be kept alive for months, even years, given various amenities, and then unceremoniously killed at some arbitrary point during their stay in the camp using poisonplenty of slave laborers were later gassed, but plenty also died of exhaustion or abuse or shooting or what have you. nevertheless, once they have outlived their usefulness, they were killed. further, the 'various amenities' were usually allocated to prisoners higher up on the racial social order in the camps (i.e. germans)>>I know we went to all this special trouble to gather up the Jews, catalog them, house them, feed them, and keep them for a while, and now have a special program to exterminate them, but we can't be bothered to use a special poison, just reuse whatever we have on hand, we have to draw the line somewhere. Zyklon B? The pesticide? Sure whateverthis really isnt an own, and also auschwitz birkenau was the only camp to use zyklon B. other extermination camps used CO2 pumped into chambers from engines (iirc, repurposed u-boat engines).>inb4 muh fuel!!memecont...
>>18278454>>as for body disposal, we should use the least efficient means possible: burn every single body down to particulate ash>>yes I'm aware of the fuel expense and how long that will takeif there was one thing germany wasn't short on it was coal for crematoriums, and further, the later developments of crematoriums were exceedingly efficient. nevertheless, many hundreds of thousands were buried in mass graves also.https://youtu.be/qnLTNgAK0OA
>>18277682Gas chambers being connected to crematoriums is one of the main things that proves the holocaust didn't happen OP
>>18277689A burnt offering to the Hebrew God
>>182802966,000,000/(365x3)
>>18278414Because slave labor, a lot did starve to death tho.
>>18280347>In March of 1942, 75 percent of the Jews who would be killed in the Holocaust was still alive, while the remaining quarter had died.>By spring the next year, 1943, these numbers were flipped - 75 percent were dead, and 25 percent were still alive. denier arithmetic is lame and retarded, because the reality is they killed more jews faster than they find to be so unbelievable.
>>18280379Please learn to speak English properly before trying to engage with me. Idek how to respond to this drivel.
>>18280384let me rephrase, then: the NAZIS killed JEWS QUICKER than what the DENIERS like to frame as somehow impossible. an organized and dedicated mass of people can kill hundreds of thousands with little effort, rawandans slaughtered a million in under a year with just hatchets and machetes\https://youtu.be/qo4l0gJpUFo
>>18280393Google how long it takes to cremate a body, dipshit. The argument isn’t against the possibility of killing people that quickly, it is largely based around the problems of disposal which is pointed to by believers as the reason for an appalling lack of physical evidence for such a large crime.
>>18280303How so?
>>18280411How long to cremate a body or how long it takes to cremate a body while ensuring every scrap of ash and bone are carefully swept up to be delivered to the family, while also abiding by all necessary health and safety and environmental laws and religious practices?
If the holohoax is real it will be a huge whitepill as we can 100% do it right with modern technology.
>>18280427What a retarded question. You know the answer.
>>18277701im pretty skeptic of the gassing story myself, however these a valid questions
>>18280422I believe the argument is that it would not be wise to use a flammable, and potentially explosive, substance that vaporizes at ambient temperatures near a lit furnace. I could be wrong, however.
>>18280535Hydrogen cyanide is only flammable and explosive at extremely high concentrations that they were nowhere close to reaching, cyanide is actually somewhat ideal for killing people in that sort of environment for many reasons>>18278454they did just kill them that way and millions in fact with the Einsatzgruppen and in the ghettoes like Warsaw, Riga, and Bialystok, but it was a lot messier and word would spread about what they were doing
>>18280464Well?
>>18280605To absolute dust? Where there’s no evidence of bodies such as treblinka which apparently murdered 800,000 Jews in under a few years? Assuming they conducted mass killings everyday for 3 years, that comes out to 730 people killed a day. Using burn pits and crematoria, tell me: would it be possible to dispose of that many bodies in such a small camp every single day without them backing up?
>>18280616why are you talking about a topic that you have no idea about? around 900k Jews were murdered in Treblinka from 23 July 1942 to 19 October 1943if you wanted to spam /pol/shit then at least pretend to have a knowledge about historical facts
>>18280637>900k Jews were murdered in Treblinka from 23 July 1942 to 19 October 1943Okay cool so quick math, that’s actually <2,000 people per day. My closing question remains valid.
>>182806442k people can't be murdered in a single day?
>>18280644if you want to jerk off more to muh math then you can start with the fact that at the height of operation reinhard around 1,5m Jews were murdered in just 100 daysalso by adding other things like getto starving, mass executions, other camps, holocaust by bullets etc then from July to October 1942 around 2 million Jews were killed>>18280647the server would obviously lag
>>18280647>>18280653You keep strawmanning my argument to make it seem like I’m arguing that that amount of people can’t be murdered in the given time frame. Not my argument. I’m asking you, because this is the official story, how is it possible that that many people were murdered in the given time frame and ALSO disposed of to where we have very little physical evidence to match the suggested numbers. But you know that don’t you?
>>18280585It's CD 50 is around 500 parts per million. It would be reasonable to expect that you would aim for an order of magnitude above that if you are finishing off an entire room in just 15-30min. It is less dense than air in a gaseous state and it would be unreasonable to expect that it would not concentrate to a concentrate further in certain locations.
>>18280657>strawmanning my argumentwhat? I simply told you the official historical narrative since you seem to only "studied" holocaust from pol infographics based on your postsif you want to larp as someone who wants a geniune discussion you should at least know a little bit more about the topic that you attempt to talk about, otherwise nobody will take you seriously
>>18280690You keep avoiding the question at hand and are now engaged in ad hominem attacks. I said three years to give room for wild exaggerations because that seems to be par for the course for Holocaust historicity. Point being that even with a wider breadth of time, it’s still inconceivable that that many bodies could be disposed of on a daily basis.
>>18280708i don't care about talking with some random nazi larper about his fanatical views, I simply said that you should reserach the topic at least on the basic level since you keep spiting out shit like Treblinka functioning for 3 years so there is no really a point in disccusing something that you have no idea about, we might as well talk about quantum physics, it will be the same
>>18280721>since you keep spiting out shit like Treblinka functioning for 3 yearsNo, I conceded the point and emphasized that your lack of evidence for these supposed crimes is even more glaring given the shorter timeline for events.Why are you so angry? Why is it impossible for you to stay on topic and answer my very simple question which is: how was it possible for a camp the size of Treblinka to dispose of >2,000 corpses per day while also conducting mass killings at the same time. To me, given the amount of time it takes to burn a body to dust, this seems improbable. Don’t know why you think I’m a “Nazi larper” but while we’re beyond civil discourse, I might as well suggest that you’re a pilpuling sheeny.
>>18280751why i should read anything you spit out when you have no idea what are you talking about? whats the point of saying that you disagree with official historical narrative if you have no idea what the official historical narrative is?
>>18280756Because I’m literally making an argument based on numbers and “facts” that you yourself have provided.
We need a separate holocausting board.
>>18280759that's cool, now you can read some books instead of studying holocaust from hatenigs.com and then you can come up with your own theory instead of having internet grifters doing the thinking for you
>>18280766like samuel willenberg? lol..
>>18280766>can you answer this simple question?>EDUCATE YOURSELF NAZI!I won this debate btw
>>18280766>Just educate yourself lol
>>18280535Since when does the heat from the ovens travel instantaneously 3 rooms over? Are holocaust deniers unironically such losers they've never used an oven in their pathetic lives?
>>18280762I come here to learn about real history, like Bronze Age archaeology, Neolithic genetics, medieval warfare, and early modern politics. I'm not interested in debates about the number of deaths in a modern-day massacre.We should create a board called /holocoasters/ and encourage anyone interested in discussing the death tolls of World War II and post-World War II massacres to join.
>>18280988Krema II and III used elevators to directly transport them up from the gas chamber to the crematorium. As Krema IV did not share this feature, it is possible that the Germs became concerned about the safety of that design choice as well.
>>18277682>Why were the gas chamber rooms (allegedly used for delousing clothing) bigger than necessarywere they?>and directly connected to the crematorias?were they?also, 'crematorias' is not a word. 'crematoria' is already plural.
>>18277695So Einzatzgruppen are not holocaust?
>>18282080they weren't until the rug was pulled from under the inflated numbers of auschwitz. then all of a sudden three extra million dead had to be quietly claimed from somewhere, because otherwise the holy number would have turned out to be a lie, and it would have pulled down the rest of the charade. so all of a sudden it wasn't a big psychological strain on evil nazis to just shoot jews wherever found, even though before it was used as the excuse for 'why transport jews to central killing places when they could be shot wherever found if the state wanted them dead?'
>>18280988Ask the sonderkommando. The best eye witness testimony of a gas chamber is from a sonderkommando in auschwitz I whose job it was to collect bodies from the morgue and strip them of their valuables then cremate them. But actually the morgue was an active gas chamber with active zyklon B on the floor and they had no protective equipment. He also mentions eating food from the luggage on one of the gassed jews in the morgue/gas chamber. But notice this doesn't fit the description of the supposed gassing process of naked shorn jews in false showers. Notice how active zyklon b on the floor with no gas mask with furnaces in the next room are impossible. The sonderkommando were stealing dead people's valuables and piling up their shoes and then cremating them. This was during peak typhus ~1941-1942. The nazis were shipping dead typhus bodies out of the cities like warsaw to be cremated by captured communists
>three repliesholy, this faggot is SEETHING
>>18282201>Józef Cyrankiewicz, a key figure in the "Auschwitz Reds" communist group, was instrumental in maintaining links with the external Polish Socialist Party that helped smuggle information and materials, including the photographic evidence taken by communist inmate David SzmulewskiDavid Szmulewski is the Sonderkommando that famously smuggled a camera into an Auschwitz gas chamber but did not photograph anything about the gas chambers
>>18282181How do you think the holocaust death toll is calculated anon?
>>18282246>According to post-war communist era-propaganda, while in Auschwitz, Cyrankiewicz attempted to organize a resistance movement among the other imprisoned socialists and also worked on bringing the various international prisoners' groups together; those claims, used to build up his reputation in post-war Poland, are considered exaggerated by modern historians.[10]
Do we really need another holocausting thread?
>>18282256>During WWII, the Polish Socialist Party (PPS) operated underground within Auschwitz, forming secret resistance cells, notably under Stanisław Dubois, to organize inmates and gather intelligence, cooperating with other factions like the National Party (SN) within Witold Pilecki's broader resistance movement (Military Organisation, OW) that reported to the Polish Home Army (AK). >Pilecki was one of 2,000 men arrested on 19 September 1940 and used an alias>between 21 and 22 September 1940, Pilecki reached Auschwitz >Pilecki organized an underground Military Organization Union >The first dispatch, delivered in October 1940, described the camp and the ongoing extermination of inmates via starvation and brutal punishments; it was used as the basis of a Home Army report on "The terror and lawlessness of the occupiers".>Pilecki hoped that the Allies would drop arms or troops into the camp>when members of his underground socialist intelligence net started getting executed he fled Auschwitz to the polish resistance in general government Auschwitz literally crawling with commie/nationalist pole spooks and they can't get a single photo of genocide
>>18282278>By 1944, the PPS group and the Home Army established an overall Auschwitz Military Council >Kampfgruppe Auschwitz>an international, left-wing resistance organization established by prisoners within the Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp in May 1943. >they helped smuggle in the cameras >helping to facilitate the smuggling of explosives used in the October 7th uprising. >they blew up Crematorium IV and set fire to Crematorium V, killing three SS guards.>The prisoners used explosives smuggled into the camp by a group of Jewish women who worked in a nearby armaments factory: Róża Robota, Ella Gärtner, Regina Safirsztajn, and Estera Wajcblum.
>>18279980God is our creator, not our controllerhe left in solid writing "YO DON'T KILL EACH OTHER YOU IDIOTS" and then we went and did it anyway. Not his fault.
>>18277682The Holocaust never happened. Why? Too many jews remaining. If they really wanted to kill all the jews, they would. Just grasp the situation: in red, the Nazis had COMPLETE, i mean ABSOLUTE control of the population, do you really think they wouldn't be able to just gather ALL, AAAAALLLLLLLLLLL the jews in one single place and just kill EVERY SINGLE ONE of them? Of course they could, i wish they did.Too many jews remaining, c'mon, gas chambers? GAS CHAMBERS? That's your solution? Look at the logistical chain for it, the ammount of diseases and psychological effort made for the single purpose of gathering the jews in camps, working and gassing them to death just seems... cartoonishly evil. There's gotta be a better or simplest solution.Let's take a look at Gaza. >The Gaza Strip is 41 kilometres (25 miles) long, from 6 to 12 km (3.7 to 7.5 mi) wide, and has a total area of 365 km2 (141 sq mi).There's a little bit over 2 million people in Gaza (as of 2025). If the Israelis wanted, they could simply starve all of them to death, imposing a naval-air-land blockade and in some months Gaza would be no more.Now, why didn't the germans did this? Why didn't they picked a spot in the middle of Poland or Belarus, built a gigantic, and i mean a truly gigantic wall surrounding it, and simply dumped the jews there? What would they do? Climb it? Just engineer it to be unclimbable. Gather dozens of wild animals (such as european bears) and dump them there, they would feed of the jews and voilà, no more Jewish Question.Now that i read it after writing all of this, it sounds funny that the Nazis would gather the jews and throw them to bears, lol
>>18282394read what Mengele did and then ask yourself again if nazis could not be "cartoonishly" evil.
>>18282406boohoo not the poor jewerinos noooo :((i wish all jews could die a slow painful death, race of vermins
>>18277682honeypot
>>18280296>many hundreds of thousands were buried in mass gravesMay we see the mass graves?
>>18282255top down. someone came up with the six million, then it got "justified". why, how do you think it wqs calculated? because I've met jews who believe it's documented name by name.
>>18282394i wonder if hitler shat himself in the moment of his suicide when the slavic bulls were coming for him
