Europeans have no right to call themselves Aryan for they are neither Iranian nor Indian, nor Zoroastrian nor Hindu.According to the Avesta and Rigveda, the ethos of being Aryan is religious, cultural, and linguistic, and not tied to the concept of race. By this standard, only Iranians who follow Zoroastrianism and Indians who follow Hinduism can be called Aryan.There is no evidence that ancient Europeans ever called themselves Aryan. The term Aryan didn't even enter western vocabulary until the 1700s.Yes, both Europeans and Indo-Iranians belong to the larger Indo-European family. But only the Indo-Iranians can be called Aryan because guess what, “Aryan” and “Indo-European” are not synonymous terms.
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>>18280860Ok we'll stopMatter of fact I think we stopped back in 1945What are even talking about
>>18280860Literally, we've had this thread about 15 times (I counted). All the evidence has already been presented there, and I'm not going to repeat it. If anyone is willing to educate this little mouse, go ahead. In short, the term was not only created in Europe, but also used by Germanic, Hellenic, Celtic (from Iberia to Ireland) and possibly Italic peoples.
>>18280860No European has called themselves Aryan for a long time, you're thinking of the Latinx
>>18280860Indians and iranians have no right to call themselves Aryan for they are neither european (the bronze age aryans)
>>18280860>According to the Avesta and Rigveda, the ethos of being Aryan is religious, cultural, and linguistic, and not tied to the concept of raceOk. The word Aryan comes from the Proto-Indo-European language. The native languages of India, such as of IVC, have not yet been deciphered, so we don't know if they had the word Aryan. However, Aryan in modern Indian languages is a loanword from Sanskrit, an Indo-European language that wasn't spoken in India before 1700-1200. According to the Purusha Sukta, which is in the 10th Mandala of the Rig Veda (which, along with the 1st Mandala, were the last Vedic recitations to be formed, unlike the central mandalas, 2nd to 8th, which are attributed to specific families of rishis, the 1, 8, and 10 mandalas contain hymns from multiple authors, many of whom do not belong to the prominent rishi clans), the god Indra and Agni, as well as the Brahmins, emerged from the mouth of Purusha. Why is this important? According to the Rigveda, only Aryans can perform sacrifices (not to be confused with worship) to the Vedic gods, and this was done through Agni, who, in addition to representing the Devas on earth with their sacrificial fiery mouth, was also called "twice-born" because he was created both on earth and in heaven. Even today, only those who have undergone Dvija (twice-born) initiation can study the Vedas.>"When they divided Puruṣa how many portions did they make? What do they call his mouth, his arms? What do they call his thighs and feet? The Brahman was his mouth, of both his arms was the Rājanya made. His thighs became the Vaiśya, from his feet the Śūdra was produced. The Moon was gendered from his mind, and from his eye the Sun had birth; Indra and Agni from his mouth were born, and Vāyu from his breath. Forth from his navel came mid-air the sky was fashioned from his head Earth from his feet, and from his car the regions. Thus they formed the worlds."
>>18280913>However, Aryan in modern Indian languages is a loanword from Sanskrit, an Indo-European language that wasn't spoken in India before 1700-1200.And most prominent Indian languages today like Hindi and Punjabi are Indo-European and directly descended from Sanskrit
>>18280860Indians are like 1% Aryan though
>>18280913>Dvija (Sanskrit: द्विज) means "twice-born". The concept is premised on the belief that a person is first born physically and at a later date is born for a second time spiritually, usually when he undergoes the rite of passage that initiates him into a school for Vedic studies. The term also refers to members of the three varnas in the traditional Hindu social system, or social classes — the Brahmins (priests and teachers), Kshatriyas (rulers and warriors ), and Vaishyas (farmers, herders and merchants) — whose samskara of the Upanayana initiation was regarded as a second or spiritual birth>Words such as Dvijanman appear in chapter 1.60 of Rigveda, but the context is not human beings, but "fire" once born in the heaven and then brought and born again on the earth>Agni is called twice born in RigVeda:>"He the twice-born, illuminating the three bright (regions), and shining over all the lustrous spheres, the adorable invoker of the gods, is present at the plural ce where the waters are collected.” (Rig Veda 1.149.4)>The very first verse acknowledges Agni as the appointed envoy. Agni also has the distinction of being the only God and immortal amongst the mortals>"Born for us here this day, O Son of Vigour, between both races of born beings, Agni, thou farest as an envoy, having harnessed, Sublime One! thy strong-muscled radiant stallions." (RV 4.002.02)>"I laud the ruddy steeds who pour down blessing, dropping oil, fleetest through the thought of Order. Yoking red horses to and fro thou goest between you Deities and mortal races." (RV 4.002.03)>In the mind of Rishi Vamadeva, composer of all the Agni hymns in Mandala IV, the flames of the sacrificial fire transform into strong-muscled radiant stallions that Agni, the envoy harnesses in order to travel to and from the Gods (you Deities) for the sake of the mortal races
>>18280860>Aryan
>>18280860Silence para-natufian chimp
>>18280860OP is gay, but so is every other post in this thread. I'm conflicted
>>18280921>Agni, was born among mortals and amongst those Gods born of Heaven and Earth (hence both races of born beings), for the specific purpose of functioning as a messenger>So who ordained this role for Agni? We have the answer in verse 12 as well as in verse 1 of Hymn 1>"This Sage the Sages, ne’er deceived, commanded, setting him down in dwellings of the living. Hence mayst thou, friendly God, with rapid footsteps behold the Gods, wonderful, fair to look on." (RV 4.002.12)>The Sages, i.e. the other Gods, commanded this Sage, i.e. Agni, and set him down in the dwellings of the living as priest, herald, messenger, envoy…>"THEE Agni, have the Gods, ever of one accord, sent hither down, a God, appointed messenger, yea, with their wisdom sent thee down. The Immortal, O thou Holy One, mid mortal men, the God-devoted God, the wise, have they brought forth, brought forth the omnipresent God-devoted Sage." (RV 4.001.01)>This verse is even more explicit than the previous one. The Gods of one accord sent down Agni as appointed messenger>In Hinduism, Yajna or Yagna (Sanskrit: यज्ञ, lit.'act of devotion, worship, offering in fire', IAST: yajña) also known as Hawan, is a ritual done in front of a sacred fire, often with mantras. Yajna has been a Vedic tradition, described in a layer of Vedic literature called Brahmanas, as well as Yajurveda. The tradition has evolved from offering oblations and libations into sacred fire to symbolic offerings in the presence of sacred fire (Agni)>Performing a yajna is a highly technical and complex task that requires mastery of the Vedas, including precise knowledge of the mantras, specific sounds, tones, and procedures. Brahmins were the caste of this oral tradition, dedicating years to studying and memorizing the scriptures in gurukuls (traditional schools)
>>18280860all euROPEjeets have every right to call themselves ary*n. as do contemporary "hebrews", hispanics, central asians, and churkas.nobody else will extend any mercy to your kind so dividing yourselves like this is pointless.
>>18280860iranians and indians are not aryan, just the rapebabies of aryans and dasathe purest remaining aryan DNA exists among nordics, anglos and random steppe people
>>18280993>anglosKek, not for long
>>18280993>>18280876Correct. The PIIr groups were europeans and it was used in europe since the yamanya times
>>18281004Germanics had their own word for aryan but unfortunately for you, they cluster more close to andronovo pops than any saar or iranjeet
>>18280920Even those "high steppes of Punjab" barely reach 35%... of course, if you create an honest and good model using the correct proxies. Some iranians from North iran can reach 15/20% steppe
>>18281050I am German kek
>>18280860>aryans shit in the street
>>18280860>aryans eat and throw cow shit
>>18280860>Aryans scam old ladies
>>18280860>aryans create gypsies
>>18280860Does anybody even remember bread climp?
>>18282028>>18282030>>18282035>>18282091Ironically though that shit has existed since before the Vedic period. Already in the Rigveda, it claims that cow urine is a medicine. The fact that Europeans ever identified with this group is absurd.
>>18280860The oldest Vedic manuscript was found around 1000 A.D. Fuck your grandiose historic claims.
>>18282751So Indians have been enjoying piss for a good 1000 years?
>>18280860>The term Aryan didn't even enter western vocabulary until the 1700s.Then why were there Greeks and Romans running around with names based on the word Aryan?>Yes, both Europeans and Indo-Iranians belong to the larger Indo-European family.You don't see how this is being obtuse?
