Who truly did 9/11? Al-Qaeda? The Saudis? Inside job by Bush administration to justify war in the middle east? The 9/11 Commissions report seems to blame Al-Qaeda but there are sections of the report that are redacted to this day - people theorize this discusses Saudi royal family assisting in the attack but no one can say for sure...WHO is truly responsible for this?
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>>18284423Not 25 years ago.
>>18284431Huh?
>>18284423Israel
>>18284434Its 2026.
>>18284423al-qaeda was responsible for the attack, numerous intelligence failures by the US government that are much more likely attributable to incompetence than malice.
>>18284437September 11th 2001 was not under 9125 days ago.
>>18284423AQ is just a manifestation of anti-globalist energy like an opposing force, bringing the world back toward equilibrium. You can't just . . . build bigger and bigger buildings. You can't just make the spaceship launch more often. At some point the system experiences a reversal, which in this case happened not on an engineering level but a psychological one. They were too big and grand an expression of globalism, the way they stood over the mortal city below, the miniature continent astride the world made small, their aesthetic was their downfall. If Nasser was more successful against Israel and defeated islamists as a result, they would probably get knocked down by a communist.
>>18284441Oh my god, shut up dude. Its 2026. Fuck off.
>>18284451Is someone who was born on September 11th, 2001 now 25 years old?
>>18284439Dick was not incompetent. George was. I believe Chaney, maybe both him and Bush, knew an attack was coming and allowed it to happen as a casus belli for intervention in the Middle East. I do not think they anticipated it would be as big of an attack as it was though, or that the WTC would collapse completely. I will say that. Hell, I don't think even Al-Qaeda anticipated they'd knock down the towers. I seem to recall one of those tapes of Bin-Laden and his second in command talks them mentioning how suprised and overjoyed they were when the towers fell and not even they had thought it would he that successful.
>>18284454Stop being a fag dude come on
Do you believe the planes took down both towers or do you believe in the bomb or thermite theory? These were the first buildings in history to collapse onto their own footprint from a fire and it’s a pretty weird coincidence for multiple buildings to collapse like that on the same day under the same circumstances. The World Trade Center 7 or 3 buildings destroyed by 2 planes is pretty weird as well, though I can’t remember all the details as to why. I think I remember seeing a documentary where one of the guys who worked on the twin towers said they were specifically designed to survive a huge jet crashing into them. What’s up with the Pentagon attack missile theory, I don’t know much about it.
>>18284463BTFO BTFO
>>18284476when you have some time give this video a watch, he goes in detail into all the conspiracy theories and explains some of the common misconceptions they rely on, or issues with themhttps://youtu.be/XYbJV5xcdoQThe reason tower 7 collapsed was it was badly damaged from falling debris, and was just left to burn because the fire department was focused on towers 1 and 2. Since 9/11 there have been several other steel and glass structures that collapsed into their own footprint due to fire. The twin towers had been designed to withstand a crash from a small single engine 2 seater plane, not a huge jet. What ultimately happened was the fires weakened the strength of the structural supports causing the entire floor to collapse which triggered further collapses with each floor. The incredible weight of this collapse caused much of the material to be pulverized.Pentagon missile theory is problematic since it requires you to disregard all the hundreds of plane fragments that were recovered from the pentagon as planted evidence, and come up with some explanation for what happened to the missing plane and passengers. The big problem with all these theories of a massive conspiracy is they assume the Bush administration was the most hyper competent government in human history to pull it off flawlessly and not have a single participant ever blow the whistle.
>>18284423Abrahamics
>>18284423Well I guess it's all history now, so here it is... Yes, it was an inside job and yes I did it. I really didn't mean to kill all those people guys, I just wanted to blow up a building. Sad there was so much collateral damage.
>>18284479STFU
>>18284476Why would they fall any way but straight down? Why would they fall sideways?
>>18284423Al-Qaeda. Ignore all muzzies and paranoids, like always.
>>18284487>The big problem with all these theories of a massive conspiracy is they assume the Bush administration was the most hyper competent government in human history to pull it off flawlessly and not have a single participant ever blow the whistleThis is the biggest thing that tells me it wasn't an inside job. Bush and his cabinet, despite being made up of some old school political connivers like Chaney, Rumsfeld etc. damn sure couldn't have pulled this shit off and never got caught (no administration could have, the amount of small fry guys you would have had to use to pull it off and them NEVER talking and revealing it? There's no way). I do think this >>18284460 is possible though.
dancing israelislucky larrybuilding 7pentagon 'losing' $1 trillion
>>18284423We can't talk about their yet because the christbeaner spicjannies need more space in the catalog for HEY ZEUS threads, esse.
>>18284573Its 2026.
>>18284460I don't believe this at all because it got them involved in the wrong war. They both wanted to bring down Iraq and Iran, instead they got bogged down in Afghanistan, which neither actually cared about
>>18284587The casus belli for Iraq was Saddam aiding 9/11 terrorists and supposedly having WMDs. Are you saying they were planning to just do the WMD schtick at some point to get involved in Iraq and then move to Iran instead? Would that have worked? The shoddy WMD proof may not have been enough for the people to get behind an invasion of Iraq without the added bloodlust the nation had for anyone involved in the 9/11 attacks which is what made them getting the Iraq war off the ground so easy.
>>18284589I know that Iraq support for Al Qaeda was one of the reasons, but it was never the main reason the Bush admin gave for the invasion of Iraq. The 2003 invasion of Iraq should be thought of as a culmination of the failure of the 1990s sanctions and no-fly zone policy to produce regime change in Iraq. This is also why it initially had so much bipartisan support, everyone wanted him gone since 1991 there was just a debate over how to do it.On the WMD, the intelligence agencies should've known better, *but* there was a lot to suggest that Saddam had WMD. First and foremost because he definitely had chemical weapons in the 1990s and used them against the Kurds and had a nuclear program that the Israelis blew up in 1981. Plus, the Iraqis couldn't present any evidence to the UN that the WMDs had been destroyed because Saddam had ordered the records showing WMD destruction also be destroyed in a retarded bluff of "does he have them, does he not" in the hopes that it would deter Israeli attack.The fact that the government blamed Al Qaeda for the attacks makes that cover story believable, imo, because the connections between Iraq and AQ were extremely weak, but Iraq was funding plenty of other terrorist groups at the time. If the government was setting up 9/11 to justify the invasion of Iraq, why not tie the attack to a group with known ties to Saddam? There were plenty around. Instead a lot of resources and time were devoted to Afghanistan, which no one cared about
>>18284589the Bush administration never claimed Saddam helped the 9/11 terrorists. There was one alleged meeting between an Iraqi intelligence officer and AQ that was very quickly debunked and they stopped talking about it. The entire justification was that Saddam had WMDs and this made him a danger to America.
>>18284629You seem pretty knowledgeable on the subject. What do you think about the alleged Saudi involvement in 9/11 and the theorizing that the redacted parts of the 9/11 Commissions report are indeed about Saudis helping in the attack?
>>18284643They absolutely did claim that. They said they had evidence be aided Al-Qaeda in the 9/11 attacks. Go check, I assure you they did.
>>18284629I dont think they necessarily were setting it up to justify anything, I think they had prior knowledge of an attack coming (we know they were warned by various worlds intelligence agencies at the very least and these reports did make it into presidential briefings that would've been given to Bush) and did nothing because they knew it would bolster their aims of war in the ME.
>>18284651I just did check, they never said that.
>>18284658This is via Googles AI but it provides numerous source links, search it yourself and see:Yes, the Bush administration repeatedly claimed connections between Saddam Hussein's Iraq and terrorism/9/11, framing the Iraq War as part of the broader "war on terror," even though intelligence agencies found no direct link between Iraq and the 9/11 attacks, leading to widespread public belief in a connection that wasn't substantiated. While never directly stating Saddam orchestrated 9/11, officials consistently linked Iraq to terrorism in speeches, suggesting involvement and a threat that justified war, despite international skepticism and later admissions of no direct 9/11 link. Key Points:Rhetorical Links: The administration, particularly President Bush, frequently spoke about "connections" and "associations" between Iraq and terrorism in major speeches, linking Saddam Hussein to the broader threat Al Qaeda posed after 9/11.Public Perception: These repeated rhetorical connections fostered a strong public belief in an Iraq-9/11 link, which supported the war effort, even though intelligence didn't support it.No Direct Evidence: Despite administration claims, intelligence communities concluded Iraq had no role in the 9/11 attacks or Al Qaeda, a fact later acknowledged by President Bush himself.Focus on WMD: While the administration emphasized potential Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD), the connection to terrorism and 9/11 was a consistent theme to build support for invading Iraq."Never Said Orchestrated": Bush administration officials clarified they never claimed Saddam planned 9/11 with Al Qaeda, but maintained a relationship with terrorist groups existed, a distinction lost on many. In essence, the administration created a narrative suggesting Iraq was part of the larger terrorist threat that perpetrated 9/11, using the post-9/11 climate to justify invasion, even without definitive proof of direct involvement in the attacks.
>>18284658>>18284677So yeah, they definitely implied it and let the public think they in fact were linked, so much so that they were forced to explicitly say that no, they didn't have anything to do with 9/11 later when the public realized itwas BS.
>cia discovers there’s an upcoming attack on america but does nothing about it due to their own incompetence>israel discovers advanced knowledge about an upcoming attack on the wtc>knows that planes alone won’t bring down the wtc so decides to add on a little extra for more destruction, hoping that an attack on america could benefit israel>deploys israeli mossad agents disguised as art students plant bombs inside the interior of the buildings while pretending to be doing an ‘‘‘art project’’’>weeks leading up to the attack larry silverstein (aka lucky larry) the owner of the world trade centre takes out 3.55 billion in an insurance policy because…reasons>only one day before the attack the pentagon loses 2.3 trillion…somehow>just hours before the attack lucky larry tells his family members who worked in the buildings and other people in the buildings who he liked to not go to work that day and simply take the day off because…once again reasons..it just so happens that they all had the same background >building 7 randomly collapsing due to a little fire somehow, but let’s just ignore that lucky larry once accidentally spilled the beans and revealed in an interview he told them to “pull it”…silly larry>dancing israelis getting arrested for acting suspicious but then let go before anyone could really look into what they were all about>all the black boxes randomly going missing somehowIt was done by both the Arab hijackers and Mossad, but both were NOT working together, Israel just decided to capitalise on the whole thing in hopes that a pissed off America could go after their enemies and it completely worked.The CIA on the other hand are too incompetent to pull anything like this off so well, Mossad on the other hand are good at what they do.There’s a reason why Delta Force have expanded in the last few decades to having their own intelligence assets, because they can’t always rely on the CIA to actually be competent.
>>18284683A little far fetched bro.
>>18284683What bombs? Where were all the explosions of these bombs that made the towers fall? May we see them?
>>18284649Totally plausible in at least three different ways. One possibility is that the attackers were aided by Saudi nationals and the Sauds got us to omit them. Related to this is the likelihood that at least one of the planners was on Saudi payroll as some kind of informant on Al Qaeda activitiesSecond is excluded what we now know that Saudi, through Pakistani intermediaries, were funding the Taliban and the Haqqani Network, both of which share leadership with Al Qaeda at this time (great source on these ties and just why the Taliban received funding in "Ghost Wars" by Steve Coll. Third possibility is that Saudi intelligence, which worked pretty closely with the Taliban and the Pakistanis, did have prior knowledge of the 9/11 plot and didn't tell usThat's off the top of my head, I'm sure there are more reasons and multiple ones could be true
>>18284649Nta but I am pretty sure the redacted stuff was about Mussaed Ahmed al-Jarrah who worked for the Saudi embassy and his assistance to the 9/11 highjackers while they were living in the US. He had been codenamed MAJ in various FBI documents until they fucked up redacting the name in some unclassified reports and the name was revealed. Yes, the Saudis were absoluetly involved in bankrolling the guys and assisting them. Was that directed from the actual royal family or were various agents of the Saudi government also Al-Qaeda members on the side, that has never been confirmed.
>>18284656Oh yeah, that sounds reasonable, especially if they knew the plotters were Islamic terrorists but didn't know it was Al Qaeda
>>18284710urban moving systems or something like that
>>18284658Here is a good discussion of who in the Bush admin brought up Iraq after 9/11 and when: https://musingsoniraq.blogspot.com/2016/10/iraq-911-and-bush-administration.html?m=1
>>18284741Yeah, like I don't think they set it up or were involved with Bin Laden, just that they knew that a MAJOR attack by Islamic terrorists involved planes and NYC was planned (that info was passed on to them by multiple five eyes intelligence agencies) and were just kinda like "eh... fuck it, this can only help our goals planned for the ME" and did nothing. I don't think they or anyone else, even the highjackers and Al-Qaeda themselves, imagined they would be that successful and cause that many casualties though.
>>18284742Its just really far fetched. I can't really get behind the conspiracy theories or the controlled demolition theories.
>>18284692>>18284710>it le couldn’t be doneIt’s only a little less than two years ago since hundreds of Muslim terrorists all over the Middle East became casualties (some even had their dick and balls blow off) after Mossad caused their piece of shit pagers to explode and let’s not forget that back in the 90s Mossad blow the heads off a few terrorist retards by planting bombs in their phones. Mossad gaining access to buildings which were owned by a guy who loved all things Israel wouldn’t have been that hard, in fact compared to the other things we know Mossad has done this would’ve been a far more of a simple operation.The problem with you two is that you’re no doubt basing Mossad’s capabilities on the CIA. When the reality is the CIA are filled to the brim with retards and even their SAD units (Ground Branch) have become a dumping ground full of Operator rejects Delta didn’t want anymore so throw them over to the CIA.
>>18284756There is just a lot of moving parts to that theory. I admit there was some certainly some kind of fuckery on Israels part with the attacks, as in I believe MOSSAD did have prior knowledge and hell maybe even clandestinely assisted or made sure the attackers were able to pull it off in some kind of ways but I don't believe they planted bombs and all that.
>>18284753There are two theories I have read, both fairly plausible One is that they put explosives in the buildings to prevent the towers falling over other parts of Manhattan in case of a plane attack and just left them there (I would assume periodically checking them)The second is that they put them there shortly before 9/11 to 'help' the demolition, as the other anon suggested Given how sketchy the dancing israeli affair is, the second one seems more likely
>>18284423Idk if you're aware OP but if you're referring to the infamous missing 28 pages from the 9/11 Commission Report that were redacted due to "concerns it could hinder the US in the war on terror", those got released under Obama in 2016 and you can go read them yourself. I think they still contain some minor redactions but its mostly all there. Yes, it presented evidence that various individuals in the Saudi government assisted the highjackers though it is careful to state that they supposedly have no evidence of the top leadership of the Saudi government were involved.
>>18284683>All the black boxes somehow went . missing....because they crashed into a skyscraper that then collapsed. Bud, they aren't magic.
>>18284795They are made to be indestructible, bud. So where are they?
>>18284460Ah yes, good tsar, evil boyars.
>>18284423objectively speaking it is still the most recent "Check'' move in the game that we are spectators of. i await for the next one, or even ''Checkmate'' if one of the players have actually set themselves for it
>>18284423I think Al Qaeda did it, Bush and CIA knew it was gonna do it, for some reason either they decided to do nothing about it, or it was too late when they finally decided to do something about it.
>>18284463>me when I'm btfo
>>18284981This seems likely to me. We know for sure at the very least Bush was given a presidential daily briefing with the heading TERRORIST DETERMINED TO ATTACK US that mentioned weird shit going on at flight schools in various parts of the US with Arabs etc. He claims he never read it, aids say it was placed on his desk that day like every other day.
Inside job. WTC7 is the smoking gun. Two planes are simply not enough to take down two towers, let alone three, without the assistance of demolition charges.I believe AQ was the patsy, but it was planned and abetted with malice aforethought, in part, by neocons in need of a casus belli to futher MIC, PNAC and zionist foreign policy goals.
>>18284753>>18284710See >>18285710
Why did Al-Qaeda never attack israel if world Jewry and the support of Zionism was it's enemy?
>>18285710Idk anon, Tower 7 was always pretty explainable to me. It caught on fire when hit by flaming wreckage and everyone ignored it because no lives were at risk compared to the hundreds needing to be saved from the main towers. I'm open to evidence that smth else brought down Tower 7 and it wasn't just a fire, but the explanation of why that fire was ignored makes perfect sense
>>18285733Do you not see the explosives going off in the webm? What kind of fire does that? Open your damn eyes
>>18285732AQ does hate Israel but it sees the real enemy in the apostate regimes of the Arab world that oppress their own Muslims, like Egypt and Saudi. However, after AQ cofounder Ayman al Zawahiri spent decades fruitlessly trying to overthrow the Egyptian government, he and Bin Laden came to the conclusion that the "near enemy" could not be defeated so long as they were supported by the "distant enemy", which is the USA. So the order of events is: Convince USA to abandon the Middle East --> Overthrow corrupt Arab government and replace them with emirates--> Destroy Israel
>>18285733This. WTC 7 isn't a smoking gun. A shitload of debris fell on it heavily damaging it and setting it on fire. The fires were allowed to burn unimpeded for 7 hours because all first responders were at the towers. As a result it too collapsed.
Why didn't the Bush Admin plant fake WMD in Iraq ?
>>18285884The inspectors for WMDs was an international UN team, how would they be able to plant then without one of the foreign nation representatives noticing they did that? Best they could do was Colin Powell showing Congress some vial of "yellow cake" and saying that's what Iraq was using.
>>18284423Since when has the dust settled? Why are there still political prisoners in Cuba who have never even been charged with a crime, much less convicted of one? Until they are free (or dead) the dust has not settled.
>>18286071It's sort of a meme phrase but it was mostly in reference to the fact that 2026 marks 25 years since the attacks and thus it being OK'd to discuss on /his/. And I would say the dust has settled. Most of all the people suspected to be involved (except some of the Saudi government who helped them) have been either killed or as you said, are in custody. What makes you say the metaphorical dust hasn't settled?
>>18286134In custody for 25 years, without knowing why?
"dancing israelis", don't look it up or you're anti semiticjust another coincidence when mossad agents were high fiving in front of the camera, but more billions please. "you're racist are you?"
>>18286507I "did my own research" because that's what you retards are always telling me to do and here's what I found regarding the "Dancing Israelis"The first mention of Israeli's dancing in response to 9/11 actually comes from Mohammed Atta, the one often considered the architect of the 9/11 attacks, where he was apparently frustrated that people were neglecting the fact that "...the FBI seized a number of Jews while they were dancing in celebration over the incidents..." in his own words. A game of telephone lead to Russian news websites later on making the baseless claim that a women named Maria reported Dancing Israelis to the FBI immediately after the attacks. The origin of the claim itself comes from the father of the attacks, and in no way was he suggesting that Israel planned the attacks or had foreknowledge of them, but rather wanted to use Jews as a scapegoat, his claim of the FBI detaining Israelis celebrating the attacks is also completely baseless
>>18286525Atta was a hijacker, you're thinking of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed
>>18286530It's hard to keep track when they're all named Mohammed
>>18286534True lol
>>18286525'aight, so just a big coincidence. failing a lie detector i guess that's anti semitic as well. pretty powerful magic words when someone notices things. also you didn't answer anything. why were mossad agents dancing? tell me
>>18286552> why were mossad agents dancing? tell meThere was probably never any mossad agents, there are some people who claim to have photos of them but they seem to all be either photoshop, or AI in a lot of more recent cases
>>18286555>seem to beokay, so you don't know
>>18284423Ask yourself, who cheered and was happy over It?
>>18286561Nobody makes more 9/11 jokes than Americans themselves, so by your logic Americans are responsible for 9/11, which is a very poetic answer in a way
>>18286555>photoshop, or AI>in 2001bruh
>>18286570My autism prevents me from knowing if you're serious
>>18286573if you really are on the spectrum you should ask yourself if it was possible to doctor videos to a realistic degree 25 years ago. you porbably weren't even born yet. that, or you have an agenda>stop asking dumb questions goyno, i won't
>>18286575You're really not kidding are you? Photoshop existed in 2001 boyo
>>18286576AI slop also? someone took the time and effort with the tech at the time to frame mossad, arrested ghosts as well?
>>18286600>AI slop also?ESL or just shit reading comprehension?
>>18284423Mossad. Building was rigged with thermite, planes were remote controlled. If you know, youknow.
It's time we finally accept that it was Muslim terrorists who carried out 9/11, and the reason the buildings collapsed so spectacularly isn't because they were rigged to explode, but rather because they were simply poorly built. They were cheap, generic, 70s office buildings, constructed when New York was at its absolute lowest point and were practically made of paper. The only reason these gray rectangles were ever notable was because there was two of them and they're the site of a national tragedy, otherwise they likely would've been leveled and replaced with different buildings by now anyways.
>>18286610They were really tall tho
>>18284423Why the fuck would the World Health Organisation do 9/11?
>>18285788We get it, anon. But why can we what seems to be explosives going off? I'm open to any possible explanation and I agree the idea put forth by >>18285733 does make sense and is plausible, but the webm paints a different picture.
>>18284423The hijackers were responsible for the act itself. The leadership of AQ was the initiator and orchestrator of the plot. They had co-conspirators who willingly aided and abetted AQ and the plot who were also from Saudi Arabia, since that's where the extremist ideology of AQ originated from in the first place.More nebulous are the allegations that there was also a conspiracy to allow the attacks to happen (a fairly run of the mill allegation when it comes to these kind of things) by those who were in the know, who allegedly did nothing to stop it – or even amplified the attacks by planting additional explosives in the buildings, which would imply they had foreknowledge of the fact these buildings would be targeted and nefariously rigged these explosives in advance.The more serious charge is that they deliberately wanted the towers to fall and even aided the plot, using pre-rigged explosives to amplify the destruction in the aftermath of the crashes. This is supported by circumstantial evidence, such as the fact that there did exist a nefarious geopolitical goal at the time (the Israeli agenda and/or the neocon agenda) to create an atrocity that could be used to rally invasions that they believed they would be able to direct toward targets of their choosing. There is also the heavy saturation of high-level roles in the U.S. government of people who held these views and were dual citizens with Israel in some cases. For example Michael Chertoff did not represent the average cross-section of American society. He was from the pro-zionist, pro-neocon elite of the time. The thinking is that people like him might have been complicit in such activity.Such an atrocity as 9/11 was perceived by some as being potentially beneficial to the geopolitics of Israel, and the fact that many (American) lives would be lost would have been "a necessary sacrifice" in their eyes, even if those lives could have been saved if the whole incident were prevented.
If 9/11 was an inside job it wasn't to justify invasion of the middle east, because they could have gotten a war in the middle east for way, way less than the cost of 2000 American lives plus whatever it would've cost to carry out this conspiracy. If it was an inside job it would be to pass legislation like the Patriot Act which greatly expanded the powers of the federal government in the name of national security. Before 9/11, any such legislation would have encountered stiff resistance from civil rights advocates and would have been deeply unpopular with the public. But coming after the worst terrorist attack in America history, which succeeded largely due to lax security measures at airports and in NORAD response, and which was pinned on foreign adversaries who infiltrated American society? It was a too-convenient confluence of factors that perfectly illustrated the necessity of drastic overhauls to national security. It could still have been coincidence, but the way the Patriot Act has become the foundation of the modern American surveillance state makes it feel like they had been planning on the Patriot Act all along.
>>18286061Inspectors did not come in until after the area was safe. Special ops could've planted the nuclear material during combat operations ahead of time then tortured some fake confessions out of key personnel in the Saddam regime.
