>Iranians are using pre-Islamic flag>pre-Islamic flag has Zoroastrian (pagan) symbols>Lion (Zurvan-Chronos; Rostam-Heracles) and Sun (Mithras-Helios) >basically: Zeus-Ahuramazda vs Allah-Typhon
>>18285231>Zoroastrianism
>>18285231Unfortunately no, they’re likely be irreligious for the foreseeable future. What a shame too since Zoroastrianism is a kino religion
>>18285237What problem do you have with the pre-abrahamic (Abraham's god: Ahriman-Yahweh) religion of Iran?
>>18285244They’re a Pakistani aka a Muslim Jeet.
Remove Anahita
>>18285241Well, one could say that people are worshipping Asha (Zoroastrian name for Goddess Libertas / Eleutheria).
>>18285244I'm iranian. Anyone who brings up that meme religion is guaranteed to be a 15 year old diaspora retard residing in USA. They're annoying as fuck
>>18285231imagine a rastafarianism in iran
It will return to it's glory. I can feel it.
>>18285256>rastafaris worship Yah (Yahweh / Allah, aka Ahriman-Typhon)Anon, Iran is currently under abrahamic (aka, OG rastafari) oppresion, you don't have to imagine what you can already see by yourself.
>>18285253But otherwise its better than all the alternatives so far unless something new were to come out...>>18285254Technically that would also be Anahita who shouldn't be there. Her name being similar to Athena, Tanit, Aten, and whatever.Trying to pretend to be the waters of wisdom but that belongs to Ahura Mazda/Varuna already.
>>18285264The good thing about Zoroastrianism, unlike Ahrimanism (Islam), its that Zeus-Ahuramazda is not mad that His children have roles in His creation.Anahita-Artemis having the role of wisdom and purification, Asha-Eleutheria giving courage to protestors, etc. are not bad things.
>>18285259>Zoroaster, pagan prophet>arabic calligraphy (introduced by anti-pagan / abrahamic / Ahriman-simp invaders)It's funny and sad at the same time how hard Persian dynasties tried to RETVRN to / larp about Zoroastrianism (Persian Golden Ages) but didn't want to leave Islam.
>>18285231Pathetic larp
>>18285274Except wherever she goes she always ends up overtaking and going out of bounds because such is the placed location of Venus, a place not of her's and not capable of it.And some know this and take advantage of it unless something is done about it.
>>18285231>Zoroastrianism was founded by Zoroaster in ancient Iran. The precise date of the founding of the religion is uncertain and estimates vary wildly from 2000 BCE to "200 years before Alexander".Does this remind you of something? Think timmy think... what Brahmin and his chosen family appear between that time frame? Be careful what you wish for these Magi had their fingerprint in all 3 Abrahamic cult and will lead you to the 4.0 version because like the scorpion says it's their fucking nature.
>>18285231No, it’s dead as a doornail
>>18285294You are a jeet
>>18285297Modern scholars, using cultural and linguistic evidence from the Avesta, date Zoroaster to the 2nd millennium BC. Zoroaster's native language of Avestan is very similar to Vedic Sanskrit, another Indo-Iranian language that was spoken from 1500 BC - 1200 BC. In the Gathas, the oldest part of the Avesta, society is described as a pastoral tribal society of warrior-herdsmen and priests, which is consistent with the Central Asian Bronze Age culture of the 2nd millennium BC.
>>18285301https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsis
>>18285281Many want to change the script to Avestan since it’s far more suited for Iranic languages than the Arabic script is
>>18285327Perhaps one day will it happen.I also want Mongolia to return to their original alphabet (looks Kino af) and reject the retarded cyrillic one (imagine if Russia adopted Latin's, another victory for the SPQR).
>>18285296>And some know this and take advantage of itAhrimanists (muslims).>unless something is done about it.Ahrimanism (abrahamic religions) is permabanned by capital punishment and Iran returns to Zeus-Ahuramazda.
Calling the lion a pagan symbol is like saying holidays (holy day) is the secular version of christmasThe lion only became a symbol of iran because of the safavids who are the main reason why Iran is shia islam
>>18285255Weird because no one has ever met one. My whole reading group is fascinated by Zoroastrian texts, not sure where it comes from but if there were actual open temples I think all my Christian friends would be Zoroastrians. There's no agenda, I'm not saying that just to say it, but it's one of those things that feels secretly super popular that no one talks about.
>>18285281And you claim to "reject" Roman paganism despite using the Latin alphabet
>>18285355https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoroastrianism_in_the_United_States>The oldest fire temple in the United States was one purchased by Arbab Rustam Guiv in New Rochelle, New York. The most notable fire temple in the United States is the Dar-e-Mehr temple located in Pomona, New York.Yeah I think there's several Fire Temples you can visit. Remember, Zoroastrianism didn't out after the Arab conquests, it just had it's presence reduced. Many fled to India and became the Parsis who are still Zoroastrianhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsis
>>18285372>lookup "Zoroastrian temple near me" to double check your work>I get results for Unitarian Universalists in my state*sigh*
>>18285231>Short answer: No. >Long answer: Hahahahahaha, fucking no, you crazy inbred retard.
>>18285377Where do you live?
>>18285231That is not the pre-Islamic flag. Why do all you retards claim that image is pre-Islamic as if Persia hasn't been largely Muslim for 1400 years? The lion is wielding a zulfiqar
>>18285445>zulfiqarHate to break it to you but that's not a Muslim invention, just an Arab word for a preexisting thing.
>>18285445A lion as the symbol of Iran dates back to Achaemenid times>The male sun had always been associated with Iranian royalty: Iranian tradition recalls that Kayanids had a golden sun as their emblem. From the Greek historians of classical antiquity it is known that a crystal image of the sun adorned the royal tent of Darius III, that the Arsacid banner was adorned with the sun, and that the Sassanid standards had a red ball symbolising the sun. The Byzantine chronicler Malalas records that the salutation of a letter from the "Persian king, the Sun of the East," was addressed to the "Roman Caesar, the Moon of the West". The Turanian king Afrasiab is recalled as saying: "I have heard from wise men that when the Moon of the Turan rises up it will be harmed by the Sun of the Iranians." The sun was always imagined as male, and in some banners a figure of a male replaces the symbol of the sun. In others, a male figure accompanies the sun.>Bas-relief in Persepolis a symbol of Zoroastrian Nowruz – on the spring equinox, the power of an eternally fighting bull (personifying the Earth), and a lion (personifying the Sun), are equalSimilarly, the lion too has always had a close association with Iranian kingship. The garments and throne decorations of the Achaemenid shahs were embroidered with lion motifs. The crown of the half-Persian Seleucid king Antiochus I was adorned with a lion. In the investiture inscription of Ardashir I at Naqsh-e Rostam, the breast armour of the king is decorated with lions. Further, in some Iranian dialects the word for king (shah) is pronounced as sher, homonymous with the word for lion. Islamic, Turkish, and Mongol influences also stressed the symbolic association of the lion and royalty. The earliest evidence for the use of a lion on a standard comes from the Shahnameh, which noted that the feudal house of Godarz (presumably a family of Parthian or Sassanid times) adopted a golden lion for its devices.
>>18285231A lion holding a sword is an Islamic trademark.
>>18285318Kazakhs in Indo-Kashmirhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IBcurB4I-BU
>>18285369I didn't claim to reject it, on contrary, I support the RETVRN to the Religio Romana.Jupiter Vult.
>>18285471>the sword of Islam>the lion of Islam>the sun of IslamNext it'll be:>the crucifix of Islam>the stars and stripes of Islam>the swastika of IslamAt what point do semites stop plagiarizing?
>>18285477>Jumping to conclusions and strawmanning like a woman.Sneed.
>>18285354>Shia Islam>when Sunni Islam is so shit that you have to add Zoroastrianism in it and claim your legitimacy through a relative of the "prophet" (schizo) called Ali>Safavids, best known for being massive Zoroastrian larpers, despite being from turkic origins
>>18285231Look, I've nothing against Zoroastrianism, and talk of a widespread revival of it far less of a LARP than most religious revivalism because its actually still a surviving tradition. But almost invariably whenever you hear people pushing the "Iran should become Zoroastrian again" its because they want Iran to stop being an enemy of Israel. Same with restoring the Shah.
>>18285255You're a muzzie piece of shit pretending to be Iranian. Islamic pedo pigfuckers not welcome.
>>18285532And he's completely right. People are "faciisnated" with Zoroastrianism yet no one gives a fuck about the actual people and adherents.
Reminder that Ahura Mazda (re)created Mithras, to be worshipped and honored as his equal.And he did not say the same about any other spirit, or concept.
>>18285492It's not a larp they really want to bring back their Magi cult and once they take over these religious fanatics who aren't different than the current Shiite fanatics will bring forth another Abrahamic cult. This dude is one of them his dialectic bs is exactly the Abrahamic bs i.e there are evil Tall White/Nordics who want to kill us and this Cosmic entity who's testing us at the hand of these evil overlords wants to save us indirectly by sending us cryptic messages and good Tall White/Nordic atlanteans. Now imagine these retarded Indian-Euro sorcerers get contacted by one of these flying objects everyone is seeing around the world and you got yourself another poorshiite crazy jinn fire cult prophet and his fanatics popping.
>>18285259>It will return to it's glory. I can feel it.Likely not. Persians of 2k years ago is not the same as Persian today. Dysgenic behaviors won out.
>>18285619>Dysgenic behaviors won out.Iranians being extremely well-educated among both exes and contributing to research in Iran and abroad?
>>18285231As the dominant religion of Iran? No, it's too small today. But it will probably grow once the ayatollahs are gone. People are are burning mosques and seminaries now, there is clearly a huge backlash against Islam itself, which opens the doors for other religions.The problem is that the Zoroastrians left in Iran are about 20000 people in some isolated rural regions, so they are not going to go on spreading the religion. There are a bunch of Zoroastrian organizations abroad, and these will go to Iran for missionary work, which will probably be the first time in history where foreigners go to a culture to try to convert them to theirn own ancestral religion. Imagine Zeus-worshipping Chinese people handing out leaflets about Hellenism in modern Greece.
>>18285625>Iranians being extremely well-educated among both exes and contributing to research in Iran and abroadNaxalt.
>>18285532Most iranians are muslims. What ethnicity are you? Self hating atheist diaspoo faggots in usa/europe should kill themselves.
>>18285665The diaspora fits that bill. Same with the population back home. You just gotta stop coping and accept the hilarious reality that an Islamic theocracy managed to attain higher educational attainment rate gains for the general population and women than most developed states.
>>18285709Recent surveys conducted by the Group for Analyzing and Measuring Attitudes in Iran (GAMAAN) provide a clearer picture of the current sentiments among Iranians:- 81% of respondents inside Iran reject the Islamic Republic and desire a secular, democratic government [[]](https://www.iranintl.com/en/202302036145) [[]](https://gamaan.org/2022/03/31/political-systems-survey-english/) [[]](https://www.iranintl.com/en/202302036145).- 47% of respondents indicated they had lost their religion, with many identifying as atheists, agnostics, or following other belief systems such as Zoroastrianism and secularism [[]](https://gamaan.org/2022/03/31/political-systems-survey-english/) [[]](https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/iran-becoming-secular-state-168691).- 88% of the population consider “having a democratic political system” to be “fairly good” or “very good”, while 67% consider “having a system governed by religious law” to be “fairly bad” or “very bad” [[]](https://gamaan.org/2022/03/31/political-systems-survey-english/).- 40% identified as Muslim, significantly lower than the state's claim of 99.5% [[]](https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/iran-becoming-secular-state-168691).
>>18285759Unexpected Whitepill.
>>18285759You cannot force Islam on the Aryans; you must mix it with their lore first.This is exactly what Shah Ismail and others did by producing esoteric versions of Shiism instead of enforcing Islamic orthodoxy. This is how they succeeded. The modern Iranian attempt to make Iranian Shiism adopt Sunni orthodox doctrines has failed and has caused the majority of the population to despise the state religion.The Shirazi school of Iranian Shiism, which is very ritualistic and esoteric, as well as anti-Islamic Republic, will probably replace Iranian Shiite orthodoxy when the Islamic Republic falls.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_al-Shirazi
>>18285297Everything is a rehash of everything, just gotta make sure you are arranging things the correct way.A protein is a protein, but made incorrectly can become a prion.
>>18285354Even Germoids want to claim the lion, despite living nowhere near said animals.>>18285372>United StatesAh, yes, the famous melting pot of the world.
>>18285241Never understood why Muslims have this innate need to mow other cultures down.
Why do the Jews hate Iran so much?
>>18285231No. Not in any real sense, that ship sailed and sank a long time ago. I don't even think the Iranian regime will fall, anyway. It is not time for the current iteration of the Islamic empire localized in Iran to fall yet. Not consistent with the natural cycles of middle-eastern statehood.>>18285355> I think all my Christian friends would be Zoroastrians. Funny you say that. Because back when it was a healthy religion no one wanted to be part of it. It literally only existed because the Iranian state privileged and enforced it. It dissipated soon after the Islamic conquests. The Christian population of the Sassanid empire was growing, on the other hand.
>>18286475they're in control of greater israel territory
>>18286538Curiously, they are about the only nation in the entire Middle east that doesn't have at least some territory within greater Israel. The reason Israel hates them is because they constitute the only semi-serious threat to them within the region. And this was the case even before Assad went bye-bye.
>>18286538Have the Jews realized that they actually worship Venus, the most hated planet?They shouldn't be in control of anything.
>>18286546They worship Saturn, actually. All hail be.
>>18286548They don't. They haven't for a while. Greatest lie ever told. Unless they want to accept this is why they castrated Saturn/Uranus (old Israel) so they could worship a woman. Oh, wait, that's Venus (new Israel).Queen Esther and such.
>>18285532>Iranians who want secularization will totally adopt what's essentially a random ass religionThe idea of Iranians adopting Zoroastrianism en mass is as stupid as Scandinavians adopting nordic polytheism in droves.
>>18285231Don't believe the "LA Persians". The majority of iran is highly religious and tribal with clans, blood feuds and shit.
>>18285297>>18285316>>182852315 things one must understand about Iran:>Darius was not related to Cyrus>Darius' father was satrap of Bactria>Darius slaughtered the Medean Magi>The earliest known reference to Ahura Mazda (the principal God in Zoroastrianism) is in Old Persian cuneiform.>Old Persian cuneiform was introduced by Darius.
>>18285709what part of muslim = bad is so hard for you to understand
>>18285943>mow other cultures down.But Iranian/Persian culture wasn't "mowed down".
>>18286639If that were true, Iran would still be majority Zoroastrian
>>18286766Lol, Persian culture typically entices its conqueror and has done so since Alexander. Islam is effectively Persianate not just because of the people conquered by the Arabs but because of one of Muhammad's friends Salman the Persian. That's why Islam has so much Zarathustran influence.
no
>>18286771Alexander loved Persia, didn't he?Probably had a mission to unify the solar religions by way of Amon/Varuna/Ahura Mazda.
I'm still nowhere near close in how to fully get rid of Aten...Heeeelp!
>>18286536>The Christian population of the Sassanid empire was growing, on the other hand.Only among non-Iranians minorities (anērān) aka subjects of the empire like Assyrians, Armenians, Arabs, and Chaldeans. Among Iranians (Persians, Parthians, Bactrians, etc) who were full-fledged citizens, barely anyone converted to Christianity or wanted to.Zoroastrianism was never unpopular.
>>18286617Recent surveys conducted by the Group for Analyzing and Measuring Attitudes in Iran (GAMAAN) provide a clearer picture of the current sentiments among Iranians:- 81% of respondents inside Iran reject the Islamic Republic and desire a secular, democratic government [[]](https://www.iranintl.com/en/202302036145) [[]](https://gamaan.org/2022/03/31/political-systems-survey-english/) [[]](https://www.iranintl.com/en/202302036145).- 47% of respondents indicated they had lost their religion, with many identifying as atheists, agnostics, or following other belief systems such as Zoroastrianism and secularism [[]](https://gamaan.org/2022/03/31/political-systems-survey-english/) [[]](https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/iran-becoming-secular-state-168691).- 88% of the population consider “having a democratic political system” to be “fairly good” or “very good”, while 67% consider “having a system governed by religious law” to be “fairly bad” or “very bad” [[]](https://gamaan.org/2022/03/31/political-systems-survey-english/).- 40% identified as Muslim, significantly lower than the state's claim of 99.5% [[]](https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/iran-becoming-secular-state-168691).This is not "muh Zionist/Israeli/Mossad/CIA propaganda," it's cold hard facts and it's become undeniable as the protestors in Iran are literally torching mosques.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz0YvciH57U
>>18286843Still shows a static and fairly stagnant religion. They couldn't even bring the Armenians back.
>>18286850GAMAAN has extensive ties to U.S. government-funded, pro-regime change orgs, and employs unreliable survey methods that produce misleading results
>>18286870>t. Pakistani living in London
>>18286883The US sockpuppets so many organizations and NGOs that its basically an ouroborous sucking itself off.
>>18286889>facts are muh CIA propagandaSure bud sure and I'm the reincarnation of Augustus CaesarAlso, how's the weather in London Ahmed?
>>18286546>Venus, the most hated planet>most hated planetAre you retarded?Venus-Lucifer, mother of God-Dictator Gaius Julius Caesar is one of the most beloved Goddesses and the planet named in her honor is respected among astrologists.>>18286548>>18286556Both of you are retards. Jews worship Yahweh, aka Typhon, the enemy of Th'Olympians, son of Tartarus (Abyss) and Gaia (Earth).
>>18286628So, who was the "pre-Zoroastrian Ahura Mazda"? Since Iranians are Indo-Europeans, their "pre-Darius Jupiter" (*Dyḗus ph2tḗr) must be closer to the one of the Scythians, no?
>>18286904>Sure bud sureIt'a basic known fact. How do you not notice the sheer number of tentacles the US has in many "neutral" organisation?
>>18286850Of course no one wants a despotic repressive regime and ethnic minorities absolutely want their own states. But this doesn't mean that people want to become a pro feminist LGBTQIAHDMI++ western slave atheist state.Tehran which is naturally going to be overrepresented is well known to be full of cuckolds. and they include diaspora cucks in the surveys.Go to qom and it's a completely different story.Your sources have very dishonest reporting. They contrast democracy with religion when the question only asks if they'd prefer a democratic state over dictatorship.Pahlavi helped the cia and mi6 coup a democratically elected prime minister that was going to nationalize oil and give people welfare all while he invited western actors and royalty to feasts with peacocks covered in gold while the people starved.He is shit and people only choose his son when you ask "khamenei or pahlavi"
>>18286917Hahaha, he doesn't know...
>>18285943As opposed to Christianity?
>>18285759>>18286850>studies suggest>experts say
>>18285231The only reason there is any interest at all in Zoroastrianism is because normies got exposed to [something similar to] it through Game of Thrones.Nobody actually cares about joining yet another retarded bullshit desert religion, they just think "fire worshippers, the lord of light, ebinnnn" and basedface.
>>18287812Leaving empiricism to the Jews is a bold move. But I doubt it will benefit you.
>>18285231It’s really not a pre-Islamic flag. The Pahlavi dynasty are Shia Muslim. The Shah made Hajj to Mecca and had a religious lifestyle. His son is also a self-proclaimed Muslim. They just didn’t have an Islamic fundamentalism government. There were many civil liberties and their interpretation of Islam was nowhere near as strict, and they were open to Western ideas. This is how the original so-called Islamic Golden Age that Salafist Arabs and Pakistanis living in the UK love to brag about as if they have any connection to that legacy. The original Islamic Golden Age was the result of largely Persian scholars and those who came from a non-Muslim background whose family were made to convert, they were very moderate and open to the ideas and discoveries of non-Muslims. We only have some of the texts of the ancient Greeks because Spanish clergy took books against the orders of the Pope and kept them in hiding and translated them, those books were copies of the works of ancient Greeks from the Pagan Era that the Islamic world had themselves taken from the West, which they then subsequently plunged into a dark age by putting Europe under siege. Just as the Islamic Golden Age came from Iranian moderates, so did the Iranian Golden Age of the 20th Century come from them.
>>18287827>muh gringo telebisionIt has less of an effect on the world than you would think.
>>18285231The last of the magi were cowed by their Natufian masters and gaslit into burning their own books away. Zoroastrianism as we know it now is reconstructed just like modern Judaism is. It's entirely an illegitimate larp propped up by whites.>Not so fast!!!! I, a kurd from Montreal, refuse what the EVIL MUZZIES did and will resurrect this special brand of Atheism in the name of Ahur-*BLAM. BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM BLAM* >*Adhan plays as the kurdjeet diaspoo soils his pants*
>>18285231Not really but they propably can adapt/highlight some cultural stuff for national identity
Zoroastrians believe that all of your misdeeds can be forgiven if you ritually sacrifice a cat.
>>18287913I did a survey where i asked a 1000 people if you were a faggot and 84% of them said yes. The study is was fact checked by independent sources such as experts from the sharty.If you deny this you are rejecting empiricism and you're anti science and an antivaxxer
I'll use this opportunity to share the fact I found a zoroastrian grave in Rome.
>>18288140None of what you said is true lmao.Modern conversion to Zoroastrianism is not as much of a LARP as people think it is since unlike European pagan religions, it’s still a living tradition that never really died out. There is no such thing as “neo-Zoroastrianism” because unlike European pagan religions, Zoroastrianism never ceased to exist as a living tradition. Modern Zoroastrianism still has a direct line from Zoroaster.
>>18285249Paganism will be dead soon even in India Rajesh
>>18287827Except in game of thrones they burn people alive which is a big no no in Zoroastrianism. Fire cannot touch bodies. As long as something peaks the curiosity of people who desire to delve deeper and learn something along the way, cool.
