Unironically, did this happen or no? And if it did happen why do indians get so mad about it?
noooooooooo (((modern scholars))) all agree that the early indo-europeans just peacefully migrated in to the indus valley region which totally destabilized and had its ancient civilization disappear around the same time for no reason totally coincidentally and then the new cultures that appeared were all unified under the same books of religious law in an indo-european language that glorified the white skinned and blue eyed beef eating people as akin to gods and the dark skinned little people as their slaves and all of that was also a total coincidence. nobody recorded any battles so no invasion happened. it was just a peaceful total overturning and replacement of the local culture.
It did.The dasyu have been on a major leaky meltdown clittyrage since it was unearthed.The sintastha Aryan conquerors that raped pajeet brown wombs were Europeans
>>18286332>Unironically, did this happen or no?It's widely accepted as true.>And if it did happen why do indians get so mad about it?Because, when the modern nation of India was founded, it was by throwing off centuries of British rule. They therefore developed a complex about lighter-skinned foreign invaders. It also conflicts with their national mythos. It's incredibly stupid and nonsensical, especially since the only reason India as a nation actually exists today is because of the British consolidating the territory. But most of them are low IQ uneducated retards who grew up in shithole villages and simply react emotionally to this concept, so it is what it is.A good analogue for this emotionally reactive behavior would be like an old southerner in the USA hearing about the Out of Africa theory and being like "MY ANCESTORS WEREN'T NO NIGGAS!!" which is something I actually heard multiple times when I used to live in the south.
>>18286342I don't know what are you talking about but get a therapy.
>>18286332Well Indian academics are on damage control ever since that picture went viral. If I could point to a single person and reason why they now fight tooth and nail against the Aryan invasion it would be Tom Rowsell and the fact that he used that picture for his YouTube video.Rowsell is a good person and I'm not against what he did and does ethically, but actions have consequences. Because of his video, all of India is now desperately trying to save face. Previously they didn't quite understand what was at stake. They were happy to entertain Indo-European studies because it was considered this fantastic dream land for perennialists for more than a century until genetics came on the scene splashing cold water on everyone's face. Now they unironically cover up Vedic era samples because they are afraid of the implications and how they will lose all izzat forever and ever. A YouTuber disturbed the field of archaeogenetics internationally. India won't be cooperating with Western academia anymore.
>>18286394Fake sample lmao>Low coverage>tom rowsell >>18286379It's not accepted. To this day there is no evidence for it, especially archaeological evidence. We have evidence of Roman presence in Celtic territory, but nothing Vedic in Bronze Age India. Wait, what is Vedic archaeologically?? Oh, we don't know.>>18286345>>18286342Spamming >>18286336In fact, Harrapan survived after the period of this magical invasion, and the causes are now well known: drought. No one in academia today attributes this to the invasion.>Famale
>>18286402>Fake sample lmaoHere we go. The coping has already started.
>>18286394Isnt Rowsell an Hindu lover?
>>18286403Holy shit i could swear he was one of these "i love endians good civil people" Elonesque MAGA right wing. Maybe because i saw some references to Hindu gods in his texts. I misjudged him then
>>18286402good morning sir
>>18286402>It's not accepted.It is by virtually everyone in the world outside of India.>To this day there is no evidence for it, especially archaeological evidence.There's plenty. Your refusal to look at it or denial of it doesn't make it less real.>We have evidence of Roman presence in Celtic territory, but nothing Vedic in Bronze Age India. Wait, what is Vedic archaeologically?? Oh, we don't know.You're just ignorant. It's okay, because there is a way to become less ignorant.And look, there's no reason to get all emotional about it. The aryan invaders are your ancestors, same as the native inhabitants were. The only reason it upsets you guys is because of the more recent british colonialism and national rhetoric/mythos. The very same groups of steppe people invaded Europe at the very same time, but you don't see Europeans getting butthurt about it because they don't make it political.
1)The steppe hypothesis is flawed. Vedic Aryans are Indus people. BMAC is Iranic.2)Vedic is a subbranch under IndoAryans. There are non Vedic IndoAryans too. Vedic traditions derive from Puru-Bharata clan. But there were other non Vedic clans.3)No Horse burials/Chariot burials.. or Kurgans in South Asia. No steppe sample from vedic heartland 4)Ancient Iranian samples - Achaemenid and Parthian era, can be modelled without Sintashta. No R1a sample was found. We find Indo-Iranian related objects in Hasanlu site. The samples have Catacomb-like Steppe. No R1a.5)Iranic languages spread from BMAC. We find significant BMAC in Iranic speakers. For IndoAryan speakers however, Indus component is higher.6)Indo-Iranian-related artifacts have been found at sites in the Indus Valley and the BMAC. There is nothing distinctly Indo-Iranian in the Sintashta culture that is not already present in the IVC or BMAC.>>18286403This topic again? With 10k SNPs, you can pass a bunch of meaningless models... 10000% fake
>>18286410>There's plentyShow to us.
>>18286404I don't know enough about him to know what you're referring to.He is a pagan, and many neopagans use any and all Indo-European culture they can learn about in order to figure out Proto-Indo-European religion, so he probably knows a fair amount about Hinduism. He's not a Hindu though.Rowsell is decidedly against mass immigration to Europe.
>>18286414Nobody is stupid enough to buy what you're selling. There is no reason to punish the guy for leaking the sample. Crawl back into your cave and stay there
>>18286425don't see much of R1a Z2124/Z2125 in south asian populations. Y3/L657 spread though founder effect and is a local born mutation>10 k SNPS Kek
>>18286332why are the guys in the chariot blind? I'd think you'd need to see to be an effective charioteer.
>>18286332The problem with the theory is the lack of archaeological evidence for widespread violent destruction. Modern excavations have not shown any clear signs of widespread warfare, burning, or violent destruction in the late Harappan urban layers. Structures show gradual abandonment rather than sudden destruction by military force, which is more consistent with famine, drought, plague, or some other ecological collapse.
The artistic and architectural styles of Persepolis, in Iran, continued to exert a profound influence far beyond its borders for centuries after its destruction by Alexander. We Iranians teach you to use bows, we teach the Christiancucks empires, such Carolinian and Norman empires via the Sarmatians the art of horsemanship, we educate the Goths, we even influence their clothing etc etc And r the OG *Harya
>>18286430Again, SNPs is not an argument. The sample is allowed to be subject to a degree of inaccuracy, but the fact that it is an Aryan migrant sample is not up for debate.What did Rowsell just say? The sample changes the dates of Indo-European migration into the subcontinent by centuries. Indian academics clearly have an agenda. They are trying to uphold a certain historical narrative with a particular timeline. This sample disturbs their narrative and they wish to punish someone for leaking it. They are undoubtedly hiding more samples and intend to do so in the future. There is no excuse for leaving the sample unpublished. No excuse.They were caught red-handed. It's over.
>>1828643910 k snp...You need good quality samples with a high average Steppe ancestry (across multiple samples), like northwestern South Asians today, to have a decent case. What Tom, your father says is irrelevant.>>18286438Kek They worship a foreign, non-European Semitic god of a subversive belief that killed pagans and call themselves Aryans. At least we have our native culture, hail Indra, oh Aryan, hail Shiva, hail sacred fire. Greetings, aryan brother
>>18286443No. Europeans hate and despise Christianity; we are looking to the pagan past.
>Unironically, did this happen or no? And if it did happen why do indians get so mad about it?No it did not happen. We are angst BECAUSE it did not happen. Our feelings and attitude towards it does not matter. All that matters is absolute truth. In fact, the reverse is true. It was the Aryan culture which originated in India that spread throughout Central and Eurasia.
>>18286443The number of SNPs does not change the fact that it is an Aryan migrant. Who are you fooling? SNPs only means the admixture % could be skewed, but many low SNP samples still have accurate admixture %s.The point is they are desperate to hide the sample. It should have been published so we could all see when the migration started happening.They aren't going to allow us to have a larger sample size to see if the sample is an outlier.
>>18286446>>18286436Correct!! End of the thread>>18286444Based
>>18286447You have no idea how important sample size and low SNP are. Besides, even if it had 30%+ (the minimum required by QPADM), the sample is a woman who is probably exogamous; SWAT valley proves female exogamy.
>>18286443>What Tom, your father says is irrelevant.Then you have no argument. You cannot brush this aside. Indian geneticists are deliberately hiding data that gives an accurate chronology of the Aryan migration.There's no coming back from this. The reputation of Indian academia is forever tarnished by these actions. You lost.
>>18286451Your response to this is basically autistic.>muh SNPs!!>muh SNPs!!!You don't care at all about how Indian academics handled this and how their dishonesty was exposed. It speaks volumes.
>>18286452>>18286447Hey, contact the user who leaked it. He stated that this is an atypical case and the sample is terrible and distorted. I spoke to him on xiiter
>>18286394I found it interesting that in a Reddit thread, someone posted a sample cataloged as "sinauli" in G25, but since you can simply write any name in the sample, it might be fake. I don't know who actually posted it or if they used a different sample. I wonder if anyone has the ID of this darn sample.
>>18286457
>>18286461For some reason, they said "Iron age"
>>18286457You probably need to talk to people on a genetics forum and reach out to someone by PM or email. It's still in circulation. You just need to talk to the right hobbyists.
>>18286332>The Aryans in the Avesta are tall, light-skinned people with light hair; their women were light-eyed, with long, light tresses... In the Rigveda light skin alongside language is the main feature of the Aryans, differentiating them from the aboriginal Dáśa-Dasyu population who were a dark-skinned, small people speaking another language and who did not believe in the Vedic gods... Skin color was the basis of social division of the Vedic Aryans; their society was divided into social groups varṇa, literally 'color'. The varṇas of Aryan priests (brāhmaṇa) and warriors (kṣatriyaḥ or rājanya) were opposed to the varṇas of the aboriginal Dáśa, called 'black-skinned'...
>>18286478>Lazaridis et al. (2022), analysed the remains of twenty-three individuals ascribed to the Andronovo culture. Of the specimens yielding a pigmentation phenotype, 43.5% were predicted as blue eyed, while 34.8% were predicted as blond haired. 78.3%, 17.4% and 4.3% of the samples had intermediate, pale and dark skin tone, respectively.[89]>Lazaridis et al. (2022), analysed the remains of thirteen individuals ascribed to the Sintashta culture. Of the specimens yielding a pigmentation phenotype, 69.2% were predicted as brown eyed and 30.8% blue eyed; while 61.5% were predicted as brown haired and 38.5% as blond. 92.3% and 7.7% of the samples had intermediate and pale skin tone, respectively.[68]
>>18286379>A good analogue for this emotionally reactive behavior would be like an old southerner in the USA hearing about the Out of Africa theory and being like "MY ANCESTORS WEREN'T NO NIGGAS!!" which is something I actually heard multiple times when I used to live in the south.Its something I've heard multiple times a day on this website.
>>18286332>“By slaying the Dasyus (natives), he [Indra] protected the Aryan color" - [Rig Veda 3]>"Indra protected in battle the Aryan worshipper, he subdued the lawless for Manu (Noah) , he conquered the black skin.” - [Rigveda, Book 1, Indra 130.8 (I.CXXX.8)]>“the thunderer who bestowed on his white friends the fields, bestowed the sun, bestowed the waters." - [Rigveda, Book 1, Indra 100.18 (I.C.18)>"Active and bright have they come forth, impetuous in speed like bulls, driving the black skin far away." - [Rig veda , Soma Pavamana - 9.41.1]>"The sacrificer poured out thanks to his god for "scattering the slave bands of black descent”, and for stamping out “the vile Dasyan colour." - [ Rig Veda . II.20.7, II.12.4 ]>"Indra, the Iron One with the yellow beard and hair." - [Rig Veda 10]>"O'er Sire and Mother they have roared in unison bright with the verse of praise, burning up riteless men, Blowing away with supernatural might from earth and from the heavens the swarthy skin which Indra hates." - [Rig Veda , Soma Pavamana - 9.73.5]>“…hadst pleasure in their lauds, O Indra golden-haired.“ - [Rig Veda 10]>This choice sums up the Aryans' opinion of their non-white subjects: “Black skin is impious” - Rigveda. II.12.4>"Indra drops drops of moisture on his yellow beard." Indra - 10.23.4
>>18286336"""scholars"""
>>18286521>no the indians came up with this ideas themselves and spread to the land of the white people actually saar!!
What did Hitler have to say about this topic? What were his thoughts on Indians?
Game over desibois
>>18286521>>18287114grim
Whites need to abandon low steppe classical civilization and embrace high steppe street shitter culture
>>18286336It was both you retarded faggotI hate absolutist historylet cucks like you It was conquest with a lot of assimilation Like most conquests in historyAlso this stuff just make your side look bad because this and the invasions of the americas just justify whites being replaced and genocided
>>18286410>invaded europeAtleast balkans, greeks, scandinavia/germanics, survived and cucked them
>>18286433Its the arstyle of the artistMake them look like gorilla mutants from uncharted 2
>>18287300>Whites being replaced in AmericaDid White Americans lose a war we don’t know about?
>>18286414The R1a in India today is downstream of a proto-Polish man.Jeets are physically very weak, it stands to reason superficial examination alone they would be conquered with ease by a violent proto-Slav gorilla race.I don’t buy the noble Aryan theory, I think it was violent chimp theory. Imagine the terror of small Vedoids when massive Slavic apes descended upon them, huge brows, huge beards, massive frames, that sort of anti social aggressive look Slavs have, imagine an HIVan obliterating a jeet village.1500 Red Army rapists against a village of 200 quasi Onge midgets.
>>18287117Brutal
>>18287311White americans will get replaced by south americans/blacks by the end of the 21 th century>>18287317>acting like niggers is okay when we do itDont cry about great replacement then you retarded tranny
>>18286379Out of Africa Theory is no longer widely accepted even in mainstream anthropology.
>>18287117Uh oh hindooo sisters?
most antiquated history involving whites are falsified to provided manufactured context for rootless golem There is nothing authentic about these people
>>18287367simple said, they have no history outside of being managedThey are cattle proprietary to this Animal ranch, managed by the Elite and thus rewarded in abudance for their subservience
>>18286444Based Holy tripshttps://youtu.be/4DzJUMe_bs0
>>18286332>Unironically, did this happen
>>18287367>>18287377you are still the most retarded thing on 4chan
>>18286521The fact that jeets will cope and pretend this is describing anything other than a genocide of dark skinned natives is hilarious.
>>18287572>>18287950SAAAR DO NOT REDEEEM
>>18286521nice """translation""" you've got there wignatcare to back it up with a source?
First Andronovoid Tourist in IVC, circa 1500 BC (colored)
It happened but they weren’t “blonde haired blue eyed vikings”, they were greaseball Tajiks.
>>18287078He considered them to be lucky that the British were """kind""" to them.He said that the Indians would face severe brutality if the Germans had colonized India.But he was also into paganism so he kinda adored Hinduism in a sense but hated the Indians.conclusion; he would have gassed the Nazijeet s.
>>18288262The Aryans were probably more swarthy looking, they were already mixed by the time they arrived in India.
>>18288299The lighter skin of Europeans is a result of mixture, not the (comparably) darker skin associated with Iranics and Caucasians.
>>18286332pic related happened in europe plenty of archeological evidence but none in India
>>18288224>no I don't have any alternative translations or any basis for suspicion of the translation but you're not going to learn ancient sanskrit so I win [smugjak face]
>>18286336Lol. I've read report that try to say this but obviously it doesn't make sense. I dont think it was as violent and genocidal as the aryan invasion of europe. But they definately were violent, took their societies over. Seemed to be really good eith their women. Obviously it was a violent takeover. Anyone here ever meet pastoral people? Cowboys. Poeple that have to protect their herds? Not exactly the friendliest and nicest people. Something tells me living on the open steppe made thme pretty warlike.
>>18286332Does anyone have the wojack version of this image
>>18286332yamnaya bvlls impregnated nearly all med olivebunnies, that's all I know.
>>18286379Agreed. It sucks that history and genetics can be emotionally charged. Its just facts. Nothing personal.
>>18286410Agreed. Europeans males got completely annihilated and replaced. Nobody cares. It was not nearly as bad In India. Big fucking deal. And in america, 100 percent white people try to pretend to be part native american lol. Humans are weird.
>>18286436What convinces me it was violent was they were foreigners that became the elites. How does that happen peacefully? Another reason I'd all the aryan dna they have comes from the male side. You think people voluntarily gave up their women and chose to be Celeste to foreigners? Of coarse not.
The funniest thing ever is that Gypsies are the most aryan of them all.
>>18286332The worship of cow shit was imposed upon them by a superior people to remind them of their place (less than cow shit)
>>18288299They weren't pale white with colored eyes and hair. Mostly white with darker hair and eyes. But some did look nordic as hell lol. So It depends.
>>18288588Cowboys are effeminate faggots only worshippied by low t amerimutts
>>18288618Holy amerimutt subhuman historylet postYamnayas where olive themselves and never interacted with medsIt was other steppe group that spread R1B to southern euros and even then it wasnt all of southern eurosProto- Greeks even managed to beat them and take their women Same for some non meds like balkanites, germanics and later on finno ugrics
>>18288676It was a mixture of both you absolutist retard
>>18288724Agreed. It's a humiliation ritual and indians are dumb enough to not see it lol.
>>18286332It did happen, but instead of being white the guy in the chariot was just slightly less browndon't forget aryan is just a polite word for "IE-speaking Jeet", and Hinduism despite dravidian and paleo-Indian admixture is just another form of IE paganism.
>>18288690
>>18288929>don't forget aryan is just a polite word for "IE-speaking Jeet"Wrong. The Aryans were one of multiple radiations of a people group living here. The Aryans being the ones who migrated southwards.
>>18287114The rors and bhumihar i.e brahmins of haryana and uttar pradesh have elevated steppe ancestry at 30-40%, higher than other Brahmins, yet don't often exhibit light features or appear visibly distinct from other groups of their ethnicity.
>>18289074There's no mystery here. If you look at someone who is 30-40% White today, they very rarely look White at all.When you read these measurements of steppe ancestry in these contexts, it means Sintashta. Sintashta were White people with a fairly average distribution of light features. They were not all blonde. They were not all blue eyed. Sintashta were not a Finno-Baltic phenotype. They looked like many of the White ethnicities that are around today with a mixture of features.
>>18289156>They were not all blonde. They were not all blue eyed. I think it has more to do with your AASI% (ancient ancestral south Indian) markers compared to your steppe pastoralist ancestry. If you look at the isolated dard tribes, most notably the kalasha of the chitral pass. They exhibit lighter features, even ignoring the cherry picked images floating online, as a general trait.Their steppe markers are only marginally higher than ros or bhumihars, but their aasi% is much lower. The Brahmins started practicing endogamy around 300CE-600CE, preserving some characteristics, and The Rigveda associates the early Indo-Aryan migrations to 1500-1200 BCE. Meaning they were significantly mixed with the local populations by then. The isolation of the tribes must've better preserved the character of the original migrants.
>>18289223Here's the cherry-picked image for comparison.
>>18286332When whites showed up to rule india, they were though of as white gods and so long as such a discernment was observed things proceeded there for the good of all those involved.
>>18289232Source?
>>18288971Agreed. Some went west, north and east. Buy only the ones that went south into Iran, India and the regions in between are called aryans.
>>18289223AASI % is probably the correct factor.Here is a Sintashta reconstruction but this seems like a rather extreme phenotype. This type of face definitely existed though.
>>18289242Hinduism
>>18289258The man looks like he's from balochistan.
>>18286402you're the color of excrementLord Indra does *not* look like youI rest my case
>>18286332It happened, I was there. Indians mad because they lost utterly, understandable.
>>18286332Evidence is murky. Kind of? They probably didn't look like that by then because the samples we have are BMAC mixed. And nearly all Indian population studies made show that the Haplogroup percentages aren't as skewed as they are in Europe. All the evidence points to a more complicated process.There is a reason the real academics (not rape-victim wignats, Russian albino niggers, or Butthurt Out-of-India peddlers) call it Aryan Migration theory and not Aryan Invasion theory.>And if it did happen why do indians get so mad about it?Implies some very unflattering things that hurts their feelings. Though pretending only Indians have ethnic reasons to opine on this theory is deeply dishonest. The temporarily embarassed Herrenrasse also has reasons to push ideas that are flattering to them. Like this one associating them with conquerors.>>18286478Considering this source isn't actually that bad I wonder why you would omit crediting it. Other than, you know, you being a dumb third/second world faggot with no academic integrity.
>>18289227They look like white people if you didn't have any reference as to what white people actually look like.
>>18289258>>18289261I can't help but notice that nose is very reminiscent of the gujjars, a community of pastoralists, prominent in the kashmir valley, rajasthan, punjab and some regions of pakistan and afganistan like ajk. They're considered migrant nomads travelling from central asia.
>>18288655It could be argued being fully replaced was beneficial given later history of both continents.
>>18287367How did everybody get raped by rootless golems?
why does everyone identify as the conquered people and not the conquerors anyways?
>>18289781>why does everyone identify as the conquered peopleThat's not true.Mexcans identify with their Spanish rape dads.The HongKongers wanted to identify as Brits, until they found out first hand their only oppertunity in UK is to become homeless https://youtu.be/3MvwjqgMpFI?t=1531Indians who convert to islam side with islamic invaders.
>>18289781You want to know the crazy part? Before the genetics revolution Indians LOVED Indo-European studies.Now somebody put a stick up their collective butt and the whole topic revolves around their own humiliation whereas previously it was a point of pride and wonder.A whole nation had their egos spooked.
>>18286443Saaar we preserved our culture, hail indra!
>>18289793>Saar v aryaanj 100% saar, not that we're pathetic scum leftovers from aryan rapebabiesThe only option you're left with is to identify as a dalit which you most probably are
>>18286332Yes, the Indo Europeans were all 100% blue eyed and blonde and started every civilization, each of which over time got less blue eyed and blonde
>>18287317slavs are a slave race>>18289332whites in general are a slave race, some more submissive than others
