I believe the war in the pacific Usa vs Japan cannot be explained if you seperate it from the European colonisation of China. To understand the former, one must understand the latter. That is my thesis for now.1. China was the final piece of the planet that was not colonised yet during the early 1800's, they were resisting European colonisation too much.2. Europe + Usa then sold advanced weapons to Japan (their Al-Qaeda of that time) and taught them industrialisation to make the war against China more efficient.3. They all succeeded in carving up China.4. Japs went traitor and said: "Fuck all of you, this whole continent belongs to me alone", and they began grabbing the largest parts of China (also took South east asia and attempted to take australia too).5.a Europeans were like: "WTF are you doing Japan??? China belongs to europe!"5.b Murrica were like: "oh shit, my proxy backstabbd me, they are stealing too much european clay!". So they funded Kuomintang to fight the Japs.6. Murrica embargo oil to Japan to cripple the Japanese from stealing too much European property.7. Japs didn't like oil embargo and attacked Pearl Harbor.8. Full blown WW2.9, Kuomintang got cocky and were opportunistic handrubbers, they demand more gibs from Murrica while threatening to side with Japan.10. Murrica got mad at Kuomintang traitors. The Mao faction mysteriously received more and more support from USSR and probably Muttmerica as well.11. In the end the Mao faction kicked out everybody and became enemy of the international community and its many propaganda hitpieces against him.12. Murria got mad at Mao and went back to revive the Kuomintang on the island since their objective still was to colonise China, but dealing with Japan was the most pressing issue at that time.TLDR: one giant shitshow of proxy armies going rogue one after another.What do you guys think about my take on this?
>2. Europe + Usa then sold advanced weapons to Japan (their Al-Qaeda of that time) and taught them industrialisation to make the war against China more efficient.
>4. Japs went traitor and said: "Fuck all of you, this whole continent belongs to me alone", and they began grabbing the largest parts of China (also took South east asia and attempted to take australia too).This move angered the whole European coalition, they had some sort of agreement on who got which parts of Asia.
>9, Kuomintang got cocky and were opportunistic handrubbers, they demand more gibs from Murrica while threatening to side with Japan.1st proxy army was Japan. Went rogue.2nd proxy army was Kuomintang. They are about to go rogue next.We better prepare a 3rd proxy army, the Mao faction.Inside the Pentagon they were probably scratching their heads>WTF is with these east asian traitors?!?!?! they don't blindly obey us like the Pajeets do
>11. In the end the Mao faction kicked out everybody and became enemy of the international community and its many propaganda hitpieces against him.This is the part where despite China's population growing larger and larger and larger, you kept hearing disastorous stories about sparrows in the butthurt anglosaxon newspapers.
>5.a Europeans were like: "WTF are you doing Japan??? China belongs to europe!"The Europeans most likely did not understood Japan has harbored this ambition for a thousand years, but were limited to randon acts of Viking raids here and there.They most likely expected Japan to be subservient like india.The dream of taking over the world has always existed in Japan, but they didn't have the means to do so until europe gave them the technology to do so>>18289724
Some questions that caught my interest.Why does Americans think the war began at step 7. The attack on Pearl Harbor?Why does Japanese think the war began at step 6. The oil embargo on Japan?Why are nobody in current era capable of chaining these events together into a whole explanation?
>>18289724Japan industrialized by studying Western stuff, it wasn't just that the West sold them weapons. You are removing all the merit from the Japanese.When they did sell them weapons, they did that to counter Russia, not China. Your thread sounds very retarded and I'm not gonna bother with the rest.
>>18289836FYI most Japanese weaponry was Japanese-made. They sent people to Europe to study and retrieve different European goods or managed to import some. Studied how they were made, copied them, managed to produce them, innovated, created their own products.While Qing China was a closed shithole sniffing its own farts until it was too late for them..
>>18289850>They sent people to Europe to studyThe Europeans simply let Japanese spies steal their technologies without any ulterior motives?https://i.4cdn.org/his/1768293765259151.png
>>18289851Once they figured out Japan was gonna be a mayor player the Europeans started to compete with each other to secure alliances and a strategic position there, yes. Same reason China had a German military mission, or the Ottomans had a British naval mission, etc, etc. It was about securing alliances with the country and hopefully make them dependant on British/American/French/etc. weaponry.But by the time Japan was bullying China (like 50 years after your pic), Japan was already building and designing most of its own stuff.You are skipping over a bunch of history. Like the London Naval Treaty for example when Americans and British stopped seeing Japan as a partner and saw it as a threat and tried to restrict its shipbuilding.
>>18289874It seems like the contention in this thread is about definitions and tone of language.>securing alliances with the country and hopefully make them dependant on British/American/French/etc. weaponryBy some definitions, Al-Qaeda had an alliance with the Natosphere and was dependent on weapons deliveries from Usa to fight the Soviets in afghanistan.But by other definitions, people simply refer to them as a proxy army.In reality maybe we are actually talking about the same thing?Calling glorious Japan-sama a proxy army might be provocative to the Weaboo sensitivities, but is it really that wrong?>We have some deals with them about where in China they should strike, we provide some weapons they can reverse engineer, and then we go hunting together.The above describe Al-Qaeda or Japan just the same in my opinion. So the OP is still largely correct.
>>18289719After ww1 the US, Britain and France had embraced Wilsonianism and gradual decolonization while China was still vast as ever and now had access to modern arms and military instructors, notably from Germany. Japan was the only state with colonial ambitions in China, believing their proximity and Samurai warrior spirit would allow them to wrangle the bull.When Japan invaded in 1937 the US didn't care despite public outrage at Japanese violence in China, there were no pragmatic reasons to get involved. It was only when Japan seized French Indochina that the US began its oil embargo since apparently Japan was assisting the Germans. Even so there was no war since the US hoped to negotiate, they in fact gave favorable terms to Japan with the Hull note, which was basically a ceasefire with no real pressure on Japan besides the potential to renew the embargo, but Japan launched its attacks across the Pacific before negotiations were finished.So your view of the situation is inaccurate, Europe and America wasn't quite frothing at the mouth in lust for total colonization of China in the 1930s. This probably wasn't even the case during the Boxer rebellion.
>>18290231>After ww1 the US, Britain and France had embraced Wilsonianism and gradual decolonizationWilsonianism and gradual decolonizationCan this opinion be invalidated by counter examples?>FranceWhat if it came to light that france was actually so infuriated by the Vietnamese declaration of independence that they begged Usa to Nuclear Bomb Hanoi in North Vietnam?https://www.tiktok.com/@snakebagkys/video/7540011385917312278That would kind of prove that France isn't so chill about losing power on the other side of the globe. If France can froth at their mouth over Vietnamese stealing Vietnam from them, they could certainly plausibly froth at their mount when Japan stole China from them.>USI have a source here that shows Murrica was panicking and evacuating their assets when their 3rd proxy army (Mao faction) backstabbed them:https://youtu.be/V42KtSeo3uI?t=2867If you think about it, each upperclass american lived life in luxury in China, each probably had 10 000 Chinese servants. and Japan took all of that away, I would definitely be pissed and oil-embargo them for stealing my land and my slaves.>UKStill held on to HongKong with claw and teeth all the way to 2019. 6 years ago.https://www.tiktok.com/@snakebagkys/video/7471730699834461442>So your view of the situation is inaccurate, Europe and America wasn't quite frothing at the mouth in lust for total colonization of China in the 1930s.I think they were.
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>>18290353This fractioning of world history is apparently a big deal in the west. We don't want people to connect the dots, we want everything put into seperater boxes.It mighte even have something to do with scoring vitctim points.Americans want to be victims>>18289830 so they pretend Pearl Harbor was the beginning.Japanese also want to be victims of aggressive american embargos and pretend that was the beginning of everything.Even europeans want to be victims of Japanese theft if they could, but then they would need to explain to their children what the fuck they were doing in China in the first place, and they prefer to not do that, so they gave the victim points to Murrica.
>>18289719US embargoed Japan for invading French Indochina in 1940, after US supplied Japan with 90% of its war material.Japan planned to invade the rest of SEA including the US held Philippines after French Indochina, which is why the US embargoed themUS never embargoed Japan for attacking ChinaJapan sent agents like Satokata Takahashi to America in the 1930s, calling on Blacks to do race war against whites and joining the Pacific Movement of the Eastern World.Japan killed US pilot Robert McCawley Short in 1932 and bombed USS Panay in 1937Japan never planned on allying with the US
>>18290717That was after Japan invaded Fremch Indochina in 1940, retard.The US embargoed Japan and sent Flying Tigers in response to Japan invading French Indochina.Japan had 2 war plans if they failed to defeat China by 1940.The Japanese army wanted to invade Soviet SiberiaThe Japanese navy wanted to invade Southeast Asia. Including the American held Philippines.The US, UK and Dutch knew about these plans, and continued selling oil to Japan against China unless Japan publicly put the second plain into actionJapan was defeated by the Soviets at Khalkhin Gol when it tried probing Soviet defences.Japan invading French Indochina in 1940 publicly signaled to the west that it was planning to conquer Philippines, Dutch East Indies and British colonies.Both Japan and the west knew this, hence the western embargo against Japan and flying tigers. The Hull note was a last ditch attempt at a chance to avoid warThe US never embargoed Japan or sent the Flying Tigers when Japan was attacking China all the way from 1931-1940US didn't embargo Japan when it started full scale war against China in 1937US embargoed Japan because Japan planned to.conquer US and other western colonies in SEAChiang Kai-shek deliberately tried to avoid fighting Japan and was forced to fight Japan at gunpoint in the Xi'an incident in 1936.This is how you can tell how someone is a subhuman bot repeating Japanese propaganda from a real personChinese fought and killed Japanese in spite of Chiang's efforts to help Japan, not because of him.Chiang tried to sent 120,000 troops to fight the Ili rebellion in Xinjiang away from Japan in 1944-1946 and refused to let them fight Japan.Chinese fought and crushed Japan in the Second Guangxi campaign in 1945 in spite of Chiang trying to help the Japanese.
>>18290721Roosevelt never embargoed Japan for attacking China.US continued supplying most of Japan's oil, iron, copper and rubber from 1937-1940 against China.Roosevelt embargoed Japan for invading French Indochina in 1940, because the US knew Japan's actual war plan involved conquering all of Southeast Asia including the US held Philippines.French Indochina itself had no oil and few known resources at the time.Japan planned to use French Indochina to attack the rest of SEA for oil and rubber.Japan also invaded French Indochina after China defeated Japan at the battle of Kunlun pass in Guangxi and the battle of Wuyuan in West Suiyuan battle.Japan planned to sever China's last remaining land borders with the French at Kunlun pass and with Soviet Central Asia at West suiyuan (by invading Ningxia, Gansu and Qinghai to cut the Hexi corridor Gansu road to Xinjiang and the Longhai railway in Shaanxi).Britain already closed the Burma road and British India in early 1940 upon Japan's request.Japan lost both battles, failing to sever China's borders, and instead invaded French Indochina to cut the border there and get ready to invade the rest of SEA.
>>18289719The Japanese raped and killed millions of Filipinos, Indonesian Muslims and Vietnamese and also Malaysian Indian Tamils, Malay Muslims in WW2.Japan raped and killed Koreans in the Imjin war.Soviet soldiers and Chinese civilians raped and killed 1 million Japanese civilian settlers in Manchukuo including Japanese girls in August 1945.
>>18290717>>18290721>That was after Japan invaded Fremch Indochina in 1940, retard.>>18290723Why are you replying to yourself while calling yourself retard?Is it bot time already?
>>18289719Every Chinese student, merchant and exile in Meiji Japan had Japanese concubines, like Sun Yatsen, Cong Liangbi, Dai JitaoJapanese were mass raped by Jurchens (Manchus) in the Toi pirate raids of 1019Jurchens (Manchus) gang raped Jaanese girls while the Japanese navy was powerless to intervene.China wrecked and destroyed Japan in every single naval battle before the Meiji restoration.Japanese outnumbered Chinese at the battle of baekgang and Noryang point. China curbstomped Japan in both battles.Japanese outnumbered Portuguese at the battle of Fukuda Bay. The Portuguese stomped on the Japanese and Portugiese took Japanese slave girls.China defeated the same Portuguese at the battle of Tamão (Tunmen) in 1521 and battle of Veniaga (Shancaowan) in 1522.Japan was a sex tourism destination for Chinese men for centuries. Hideyoshi and the Tokugawa shogunate provided Chinese merchants with Japanese girls.Japan sold over 100,000 Japanese teenage girls as prostitutes to Chinese coolies and Western colonies in the Meiji restoration to modernise their military.Japan's first naval victory against China was with the British built Meiji fleet paid for by Japanese prostitutes.Japan used human wave attacks against outnumbered Russians at Port Arthur and Nanshan and were massacred by Russian machine guns.Japan begged Jews like Jacob Schiff to find them against Russia.Japan's entire technological advantage against China in World War II was based on technology given to them by Britain and US (sempill mission) in exchange for Japanese prostitutes.Japan lost every war with China before Meiji restoration.Japanese admitted they compensated for numbers in World war II against China by western technology like mustard gas and tanks (gives to the by Britain) and they would have been curbstomped without western technology>>17164434https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17164434/
>>18290732Chinese men from Fujian were grooming and importing Japanese women from Japan to Fujian, China in the 1920s, just a few years before Japan attacked China and set up Manchukuo.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17164434/#q17164434>>17164434Japan was a sex tourism destination for Chinese men for the past millenia70,000 Japanese girls were prostituted to allied soldiers in the recreation and amusement association after 1945.Over 100,000 Japanese girls were prostituted as karayuki-san to Han Chinese men and western men in the Meiji and Taisho periods to raise money to industrialize Japan and spy in other countries.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14238771/#q14241373And before that tons of Japanese girls were given to foreign Han Chinese merchants and Portuguese men and Dutch men during Sengoku Jidai and Tokugawa (Edo) as well.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/12244603/#q12249572Japanese Karayuki-san prostitutes in French Indochina refused Annamese (Vietnamese) men as clients and only slept with French soldiers and Han Chinese men.https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9505389/#q9508255https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/9505389/#q9525108https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/14238771/#q14241373Japanese teenage girls whose families were killed in the firebombings and roasted alive and atomic bombing in Hiroshoma were forced into prostitution in the Recreation and Amusement association.Over 100,000 Japanese men, women and children were roasted to death in one day in Tokyo during the firebombings in Operation MeetinghouseHirohito the cuck watched his capital and palace burn down and his women, both Japanese commoners and his own relatives get fucked by foreign men.America then paid Japanese to experiment on Japanese children.
>ÓP just wanted to show 2 historical events were in fact linked to each other>/his/ assbergers dumps 10 copypastas about rape and sexGet laid incel losers.
>>18290421>>18290353Sinoaboo are pathetic
>>18290763>Sinoaboo>because you call out the victim olympics
