Scott Adams did the thing. He didn't believe in God or Christianity, but converted in the nick of time. Is he in heaven? If it was a conversion in action only, but not true belief, does it still count? What does God think about deathbed conversions?https://www.youtube.com/live/Rs_JrOIo3SE?si=y-vQAhN3mpNFRU1E
>>18290666Romans 10:9 lays it out: "If you declare with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."That's all that it takes.
>>18290666Doesn't matter. Jesus isn't real.Wouldn't surprise me if doing something like this changed his experience of death though. If there are "entities" one encounters during death, this is how you get them to pretend to be characters from Christianity. Then they trick you into making the wrong choice. Christianity is just another delusion which weighs down souls.
>>18290671>Jesus isn't real.He was investigated at the time by the people best in a position to know whether he was or not, and both came away believing that he was not only real, but divine. Two world leaders during Jesus’ lifetime actually investigated Him and came away convinced He had divine power?One was the Roman Emperor Tiberius. Based on reports - including from his own official Pilate - he concluded that Jesus had worked genuine miracles. Pilate sent word of these events to Rome, and Tiberius, far from dismissing them, responded: "We had already heard several persons relate these facts; Pilate has officially informed us of the miracles of Jesus."Even more striking is the case of King Abgar of Osroene. Not only did he believe the reports, but he personally wrote to Jesus asking to be healed - and after the resurrection, one of the Apostles went and healed him. These letters were preserved in the official Edessan archives and later published by early historians.Eusebius records the correspondence and its miraculous result: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/250101.htmAnd the royal Armenian historian Movses Khorenatsi confirms it in his own account: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0859.htmThat healing changed history. Armenia would go on to become the first Christian nation, and it all traces back to a miracle performed for its king by one of Christ's Apostles.Two governments investigated, two rulers believed - you should follow Scott Adams' example and join them!
>>18290670I don't think he believed, even if he said the words. So it's hell for him apparently.It's a shitty deal that you can be a decent, logical person who treats most people right but have to burn in a lake of fire for not saying some magic words.I said the magic words repeatedly as a kid and a teenager; I was scared for my eternal life. But I don't believe now, so I'm fucked, right?
>>18290681>you should follow Scott Adams' example...And insincerely perform a conversion ritual that won't fool an omnipotent being?How does one force themselves to believe something they simply aren't convinced of, but still want to believe in?
>>18290685>I don't think he believedWhy?
>>18290689He admits it in his last confession Shelly reads out in the first few minutes of his last video. He never believed. His conversion was calculated attempt to avoid hell if there's an afterlife.
>>18290666He said he didn’t believe in the next sentence. Have fun burning, Scott.
>>18290666He is correct, however.>you reap what you sowIf he had few good works, he will reap few rewards.
>>18290666>He didn't believe in God or Christianity>Is he in heaven?No
>>18290703He will reap no rewards, because he’s burning in hell right now.
>>18290666Pascal's Wager is unironically a good argument.https://benthams.substack.com/p/pascals-wager-is-a-good-argument>Let’s say your credence in Christianity is one in thirty-thousand. This seems pretty absurdly low—you should generally have a non-trivial credence in any view believed by a sizeable share of the smartest people who ever lived. Suppose that conditional on Christianity, you think the odds are 10% that believing it will increase your eternal reward. This still means that being a Christian has infinite expected value. It increases the odds of eternal reward by one in 300,000. >Presumably it would be worth performing some action if it gave you a 1/300,000 chance of infinite reward. If by working on reducing nuclear risks, you could lower the odds of the end of the world by one in 300,000, then that would seem like a valuable career, even if atheism is true. By conservative estimates, wagering on the right religion is better.
>>18290708What about the chances that Islam or Buddhism are true? And since most religions have a "the success of other religions have nothing to do with their truth" clause, what about extinct religions?
>>18290708Atheists don’t know what expected value is.
>>18290727For Islam, it would be the same God and the same Heaven or Hell. For other religions, they don't have the same concept of Heaven or Hell or God, so it doesn't apply.
>>18290666>Is he in heaven?No, he is dead. Heaven is on earth, not some after death alternate reality. Luke 17:21
>>18290703this chart is incomplete because Protestantism isn't the only religion in existence. What if Catholicism is true and there's no salvation outside the church. what if Islam is true and all christians go to hell for shirk. etc.
>>18290774>What if Catholicism is true and there's no salvation outside the church."Outside the church" implies "not Christian". The Catholic Church recognizes Prots as brofhers in Christ.>what if Islam is true and all christians go to hell for shirkIf Islam is true, you're probably not making it to Heaven anyway since Jesus never died for your sins. The best bet is still on Jesus (highest reward, lowest cost).
>>18290782for your first claim, no. saint augustine said"No man can find salvation except in the Catholic Church. Outside the Catholic Church one can have everything except salvation. One can have honor, one can have the sacraments, one can sing alleluia, one can answer amen, **one can have faith in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Ghost**, and preach it too, but never can one find salvation except in the Catholic Church."so even being trinitarina isn't enough on it's own
>>18290681Fully retarded. If you believe that you have to believe all the other fake shit they said was real like reading the future on entrails. And polytheism. Retard.
>>18290804Non sequitur
>>18290801>Man saysWho cares
>>18290854Jesus said that nothing would ever overcome Peter's church. Even if you ignored the "spiritual succession" claims from Protestantism, you still have to take a 50/50 on whether the Catholic or Orthodox church has the true claim to be descended from Peter.
>>18290858How about this: Intentional doctrinal drift throughout the development of all churches until it collapses into one true one in the end days. The good is chosen and the rest trashed. That way, the Catholic church isn't "destroyed", but transformed into its final form.
>>18290666He apparently got along with his ex wife Shelly but she left him for another man. He married that e-thot, but she didn't care for him much. He said they were amicable, but he later admitted she hated sleeping with him because he snored. His last few years were so lonely he made friends with AI (legit sad). I liked a lot of stuff he said but despite all his success I don't think he had a great life the last ten years. Maybe if your first 58 were awesome, it's worth it? It might suck to be a public figure and then have 50-70% of media shit all over you and lie about you without remorse. He flirted with racism and subtly called out Israel but he was never said explicitly racist things and I don't believe he was.In one of his earlier books he said he intended to do everything he could to drastically outline a normal human lifespan.
>>18290666Deathbed conversions are nice gestures and sentiments, but ultimately that is insufficient for God. Adams is going to Hell, just like we all will because God despises sin and a soul cannot enter Heaven tainted with sin. Hell is the place where the soul gets scourged and cleansed; how long his soul will remain there depends entirely on the weight of his sins and how God deemed to judge them.
>>18290666lol
>>18291079I know FG is slop, but a lot of the skits are funny.
>>18290666No. While I have to believe that even doing it on your death bed like Adams did can save you because scripture says so, if he wasn't sincere then he wasn't saved. Simple as. It's not a spell or incantation that you speak and it saves you. You must sincerely believe.
>>18290666Your trips are literally 666. I rebuke you in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
>>18290804Don't be so silly. Do you believe, based on our historical records, that Caesar crossed the Rubicon? Of course. Does the accuracy of those historical records mean that their models in other fields come with it in your view? Of course not. That's one reason I used the Pilate Stone as the pic. This is, in a literal sense, rock-solid history!
>>18290666>What does God think about deathbed conversions?Deathbed conversions were actually popular and even considered encouraged in early Christianity. It was never a formal teaching of course, but people generally believed that baptism is sort of a sin erasure ritual, so sin committed before it does not matter. Emperor Constantine for example did not get baptized until he was sure he was going to die, he was not going to sin anymore so might as well.
>>18291091Thank you. I repent from my demonic ways.
>>18291665>665Nice, it worked
>>18291705Awesome
>>18290671You ever think that following >>18290681 that divinity was stronger in ancient times than today?
>converts to christianity on your death bed after spending life as an atheist >the two islamic angels Munkar and Nakir shows up100% cooked
>>18292148>islamicThe quran is a low-quality plagiarism of the christian bible. The chance Islam is based on any supernatural truth is 0%.
>>18290666Heaven isn’t biblical. The kingdom of God is within, and eternal life is a state of mind.
Proof that the Bible is the word of God:https://truthischrist.com/seven/fcbaptist.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/07/Bible-proof.pdf1 Cor. 15:3-4: “For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:” www.youtube.com/watch?v=_VRT2FFXntc1 John 5:7: “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.”Rom. 3:23: “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;”Jesus Christ is God who has come in the flesh from heaven. He died as a sinless sacrifice for the sins of the whole world to save you from eternal hell, the punishment for your sins. He was buried, then resurrected and ascended to heaven, and will return soon to judge the world. You can't be justified to God your own way, so will you choose His righteousness instead? (Rom. 10:3)Salvation is by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8-9) in the one, final, effectual sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ (Heb. 10:8-12) dying in your place as a substitutionary offering for sin (Rom. 5:1-10). His blood atonement made for you is finished, so if you have received the Lord Jesus by faith (John 1:12) in your heart, you're forgiven of all your sins and are saved, once for all; finally and forever! The gift of salvation can't be earned, it is a gift. Rom. 10:9: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” Confess The Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in prayer, that you trust in Him, not your own deeds, He atoned for your sins on the cross.Eph. 2:8-9: “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” After you're saved, you are a child of God and nothing will separate you from His love. (Romans 8:38-39)
F to him but I think there's something really hollow and hollowing about persuasion and pick up artistry and the like. Once you realize that """magic"""" works and you exploit the hypnosis system, for the rest of your life, if you have a conscience (following another hypnotist Chase Hughes, let's take a look at Scott's forehead), I'd bet there's a feeling that you've cheated and not properly earned what you've got. "Just playing the game" mindset. Empty world and from my approximation of a Christian perspective one that's removed from God, so hellish. But I have no idea what Scott was like off camera and in his head RIP
>>18292311Enjoy Hell.
>>18292366>there's something really hollow and hollowing about persuasion and pick up artistry and the likeYes. It smells like machiavellianism a little. Scott always described Trump as "persuasive" but never "honest." There is pragmatic merit to that difference, but Trump used it for personal gain. Watching him try to purge principled congresspeople (some of the last ones left) like Massie and MTG because they don't kiss Trump's ass is fucking stupid.
>>18290670he didn't believe with his heart, he's in Hell now
>>18292490Why we shouldn't assume to know if someone is condemned to Hell or not, scripture itself does certainly seem to suggest that.
>>18290666>If it was a conversion in action only, but not true belief, does it still count?No. God isn't retarded and looking to get tricked by his creation unlike Jews/atheists seem to think.
>>18292495*while not why
>>18292485It might be more of a necessary evil in politics/geopolitics, maybe sometimes professionally too, game theory involved or whatever that's called. There are enough other people doing it getting an edge over me, I'll have to do it too. But for people bending the world to their will (manipulating, hypnotizing, lying) and seeing everything as a set of problems and goals and obstacles, hyper-metacognitioners maybe, I just feel like something essential is missing in that. Reads as psychopathy/empty. Maybe there's a naturalistic explanation involving brain hemispheres and that kind of thing, people who I'd lump in with Scott rely fully on neocortex vs the whole maybe or hyper-organize/compartmentalize. Don't know what I'm talking about. Love's definitely not at the foundation there sometimes though. But what are the alternatives when you're Scott Adams? Kind of blunted affect speccy guys who might or might not have gotten an extra dose of autism and or psychopathy genes. I'm not sure.
Some people think like a state and organize their life to be a state. STATE
King archetype dominance. I'm going to get back to you all on this.
Pascal's "wager" is due to some form of autism.A complete fallacy.There's no such thing as a limited set of 4 possibilities, but maybe that sounds compelling if you are easily swayed by black and white thinking.
>>18292643That kind of black and white thinking is what bugs me about how people like Scott approached the world but it's clearly good for achieving "achievement." White people love achievement. Place what everyone else considers the vital bits in cleanly labeled boxes, ignore the rest, look at the boxes 2 dimensionally, color them as you see fit, profit.
>>18292658Achievement is all he ever talked about. But it's a bit weird to imagine not having goals or achievements to work towards. What do nons do instead of that?
>>18290774Technically speaking, the optimized way to do Pascal's wager is to be a muslim who adheres to Buddhist principles.That way you cover 2/3 Abrahamic religions and cover your ass for a decent re-incarnation in case the Dharmic religions are true.
>>18292311Nietzsche visists /his/.
>>18292700I have no idea. Trying to describe an impression more than a coherent thought probably. This is exactly where I wish I had a higher black IQ than I do. Patrice Oneal could explain this.
>>18291613there's nothing implausible about caesar crossing the rubicon.
>>18292338*sigh* ok, I'll post the picture again.
>>18292504atheists do not believe gawd exists. is that very hard to understand for a midwit like you, or what?
>>18292876Sounds like academics with citations >The more people I quote who agree with me the more ill be right.
>>18292906Academic citations are there so you can consult the source and evaluate it yourself, or engage in further reading if you want. It's about rigour. Bible-spammer thinks that if he just keeps posting his canned verses eventually someone will go "WAO, JESUS YOU ARE LORD!".
>>18290681>TiberiusSo the propagandists of an emperor who thought himself divine was trying to imbue divinity onto some other guy who supposedly said that the masses should give Tiberius Caesar all their wealth?>King Abgar of Osroenedebunkedhttps://www.britannica.com/topic/Abgar-legend
He's in a part of purgatory that strongly resembles the cubicle nightmare of his comics.
>>18290666Everybody has a get out of hell free card and it doesn't matter when you play it
>>18292338Why is your goe so retarded he thinks he can have quadrillions of people waiting in line for a judgement one single day?
>>18293154Who created Hell again, please remind me?
>>18290708I think the likelihood of infernalist Christianity with criteria for salvation that can be fooled via Pascal's wager being true is far lower than the likelihood of some sort of supernatural being who will give you a hell-like afterlife as either a punishment for or simply a troll response to wagering.
How do you think he's holding up down there?
>>18292875Lay me out your standard for what is plausible or implausible.>>18292989>So the propagandists of an emperorThis is pretty lame propaganda. All of our sources say that his request was denied. In his own letter there that I cited (transcribed at https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0859.htm), he writes:"Therefore I myself also wished to do what you propose; but, as it is the custom of the Romans not to admit a god merely by the command of the sovereign, but only when the admission has been discussed and examined in full senate, I proposed the affair to the senate, and they rejected it with contempt, doubtless because it had not been considered by them first. But we have commanded all those whom Jesus suits, to receive him among the gods."And Tertullian (https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0301.htm) writes:"Tiberius accordingly, in whose days the Christian name made its entry into the world, having himself received intelligence from Palestine of events which had clearly shown the truth of Christ's divinity, brought the matter before the senate, with his own decision in favour of Christ. The senate, because it had not given the approval itself, rejected his proposal. Caesar held to his opinion..."It doesn't paint some sort of glorious picture of the emperor. It comes across very bureaucratic and limp: Tiberius had this opinion but the Senate shot him down. >was trying to imbue divinity onto some other guy who supposedly said that the masses should give Tiberius Caesar all their wealthYou are wildly, WILDLY exaggerating to the point of outright dishonesty. Jesus said it was right to pay taxes to Caesar. Normal, regular taxes everywhere has. Tiberius' tax policy was quite fair and moderate. Jesus emphasizes giving your extra wealth to the poor, not to the richest man on the planet!
>>18292989Further>https://www.britannica.com/topic/Abgar-legendThis contains no actual evidence for inauthenticity or anything even resembling a response to the evidence I've brought forward. The page doesn't even give its own author. It's a two-paragraph stump that amounts to a summary of the issue and baselessly assumed inauthenticity. I can virtually guarantee that whoever wrote it (which isn't even listed!) had never conducted any sort of review of the evidence and was just parroting what they read in some other secondary source.Scholars who actually, with a reasonable perspective, examine this source and the relevant data come away concluding at the very least that its core is historical, take a look at https://www.degruyterbrill.com/document/doi/10.31826/hug-2011-090104/html.
>>18292878Atheists deny God exists but in their hearts they can’t hide the truth.
>>18294600Go back to Mexico, ese.
>>18294232Could you at least reference the pointy haired boss, Wally, Dogbert or some other Dilbert character?It would be funny if you got the pointy haired boss as an AI generated burning person
>>18291071What is your biblical source for death bed conversions being insufficient?>>18290670
>>18293216I remember God making the Heavens and the Earth in Genesis. I don't remember Saying Heaven Earth and Hades.I do remember something about the Bosom of Abraham, and a part of heaven where you could see hell and vice versa.
>>18290706Eternal hell is not Biblical concept.(Skip to 1:06:17)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTQS08G3BfI&t=1h6m17s
