So we can all agree that this is bullshit, right?
why
>>18290720Is there anyone on /his/ who unironically thinks it’s legit? Like, what arguments do they have?
bullshit as how? obviously it's bullshit like most religious texts.
>>18290859>Is there anyone on /his/ who unironically thinks it’s legit?Every /pol/tard conspiracy theorist thinks it's the master tool the Jews have used to enslave the world and such.
>>18290859I can buy the Talmud being a legitimate jurisprudential tradition dating back to the Second Temple Period. The Torah’s like the Constitution, it doesn’t account for later decisions made by the Sanhedrin. Always makes me laugh when they say it goes back to Moses though. In the Bible they say the Torah was forgotten and only rediscovered centuries later by Hilkiah the priest. If that’s true then there’s no way they could have an unbroken oral tradition for it. The only pivot would be to say that the prophets kept it and passed it down to their students.Truth be told, Rabbinic Judaism is one giant game of Izzat. Everyone knows it’s bullshit, but they’re all playing a game to one up each other.
>>18290720it's worse than bullshit it's blasphemous and malevolent
>>18291019The book is a reactionary work against the Christian Gospels. It's nothing more than the Pharisees doubling down on their misinterpretation of the OT covenants and engaging in mental gymnastics to deny that Christ is the Messiah. Christianity is the continuation of the faith of Abraham; Rabbinic Judaism is the heresy.
>>18291062meds
>>18290720Yes, just like all Abrhamic religious texts, whether they're authoritative or just commentaries.
This is just the torah 2.0 of course it's bs.
>>18290720You can think of the Talmud as permitting what the Torah forbids, these are someone else's words and likely filtered through 17 different polemics before they arrived at me, but it is still true. It is a hyper legalistic document outlining every possible case according to the law that a group of old rabbis could think up for the last few thousand years. This has, predictably, diminished the quality of the law in the respects which actually matter and simultaneously made it even more autistic about dietary restrictions and ritual purity. Kind of exactly like what Jesus said they were doing during the second temple period. Nothing is new I suppose.
>>18290720>>18290859>>18290894>>18291030>>18291087>>18291222im 40 minutes into berachot 6b and its just a bunch of rabbis arguing about tefillin. when do i learn how to start a business
>>18291283You can't learn how to start a business until you are able to determine whether the meat of a cow that was accidentally killed by a goy on the sabbath is kosher or treyf
>>18290720It's almost 3000 pages long, takes 7 years to study, they(orthodox Jews) study it 1 page a day.There are endless translation and meanings for every fucking page.In the it's just a bunch of Jewish feng shui.So yes, it's bullshit.
>>18291288it's not.1. killed by a goy.2. on the sabbath.
>>18291019>TorahIs made out of a number of books. one of them is "the book of Moses"
>>18290720No, don’t think so. The Talmud is an influential book of Jewish taught outside of the Old Testament. >>18291283The Talmud is more of a commentary or exegesis book. Both the Jerusalem and Babylonian Talmud are big books. Bava Metzia is on business.
>>18291329Shut up kike/brownoid
>>18291068Not an argument
>>18291329Brother Hezekiah coming in clutch to bat for the one true Church.
>>18290929I mean, is there anyone who unironically thinks the “oral Torah” was ever real and that the Talmud is it written down?
>>18290720The most ridiculous thing about the Talmud is that the more spicy passages /pol/ likes to bring up like “goyim are subhuman” are usually buried in arguments over shit like “is it kosher to clip your toenails on the Sabbath.”
>>18291397The Talmud is written like a schizophrenic patient’s stream of consciousness. And it makes sense since the work is effectively the conversations of mentally ill Jews in Babylon discussing the terms of a covenant that was demonstrably already broken.
>>18291019>Always makes me laugh when they say it goes back to Moses though. In the Bible they say the Torah was forgottenIt also makea me laugh when christians goes back to Moses and they want to convince me that characters like Noah or Abraham really existed.>IzzatAre you a pajeet?
>>18291516No, the Jews and Indians just act very similar. Aristotle even describes the Jews as coming from India.
>>18291520Jews aren't that different from arabs. Same semitic dreck.
>>18291397It is funny how it engages in Woody Allen tier neurotic worry and then suddenly veers into "Kill all goys"
>>18291530What separates Europeans from animals?
>>18291924I heard directly from a rabbi’s mouth that having sex on Shabbat is a mitzvah.>Honey, Hashem says I have to have see with you today.>I’m not in the mood, Abraham.>Abigail, Hashem says we have to do it. This is a mitzvah given to Moshe Rabbeinu. Don't you want the redemption of Yisroel?
It's useful as a hostile source confirming the Temple quit accepting sacrifices after the time of Jesus, He was really resurrected, and His early followers healed sick people. Unfortunately it's full of the most degenerate sex stuff I've ever read. It's worse than anything I've seen in decades of anime. There are instructions for an animal's ***k entering the butt of elementary-school boys and three-year-old after-rape virginity restoration. I came to see the German people as victims after a few years studying it and finally had a nervous collapse. I still have nightmares. By the way the three-year-old sex thing is in it five or six times. And it's not really three. It's under three. Don't study this godforsaken thing, I'm having to read sad holocaust accounts to remind me they're human. The rabbinical tradition is literally the worst thing I've ever read. It's worse than Islam.
Absolutely not. I am with President Trump on this one. https://collive.com/president-trump-sends-a-letter-to-the-rebbes-ohel/
>>18291397You forgot to mention that the part where Jesus is described in boiling excrement is a description vision by a Roman patrician converted to Judaism named Onlekos, and that in the Talmud, Balaam is a code for Yeshu, he is described as a prophet greater than Moses and will judge the goyim in the end times as the prophet of Edom, a kingdom that existed before Israel in both a metaphysical (Qliphoth) and historical sense.>The Torah tells us that among the Jews there never was and never will be a prophet as great as Moses was. The Talmud tells us: among the Jews, but among the other nations there was one that was even greater than Moses and that was Balaam. The Talmud tells us the reason why Balaam was greater than Moses. When in the Last Day of Judgment Jehovah will judge the nations, the nations will say to Jehovah: If Thou hadst sent to us a prophet like Moses, we would also have accepted Thy Torah. To this Jehovah will answer: I sent to you Balaam, who was even greater than Moses, and yet you did not accept My Torah>God's presence with Bilam is thus somewhat puzzling. "Why did... the Shekhinah rest upon a wicked gentile? So that the nations should have no excuse to say, 'If we had prophets, we would have changed for the better,' [God] raised up prophets for them. Yet they broke down the fence of the world, because at first they guarded themselves from sexual immorality, but this one [Bilam] advised them to commit themselves to znut." God appeared to gentile prophets only at night, "like a person who goes to his concubine secretively" (Rashi; LR 1:13)>Bilam's level of prophecy is compared with that of Moses. While God appeared to Moses while he was standing, Bilam had to be lying down. God spoke to Moses mouth to mouth and face to face, but to Bilam only in parables. Moses did not always know when God would speak to him, or what the topic of conversation would be, but Bilam did (NR 14:20)
>>18291218>This is just the Bible 2.0 of course it's bs
>>18290720Calling the Talmud "bullshit" usually just signals unfamiliarity with what it actually is. The Talmud is not a book of dogma or blind commandments; it is a massive, recorded conversation spanning centuries, preserving legal reasoning, minority opinions, failed arguments, ethical debates, and even sharp disagreements among rabbis who openly contradict each other. That alone puts it closer to a legal archive or philosophical corpus than a propaganda text. Its purpose is not to demand belief, but to model how to think through law, morality, and communal life under changing circumstances. You do not have to agree with its conclusions to recognize its intellectual honesty: it shows its work, preserves dissent, and treats argument itself as sacred. Dismissing it as nonsense says more about modern impatience with complexity than about the Talmud itself.
>>18292794You are Jewish
Bros im starting to think that maybe the jews dont have our best interests at heart
>>18291218it is not. it's just a great shitload of meeting minutes from when rabbis sat down and talked about irrelevant shit like whether it counts as work (specifically carrying) if you stretch your hand through a window inside a house and someone puts something into it.
>>18291923>What separates Europeans from animals?the Mediterranean sea.
>>18292801I'd rather trust a Jew on Jewish matters than some fucking retard whose familiarity begins and ends with old-ass Tsarist propaganda.
>>18292794>Dismissing it as nonsense says more about modern impatience with complexity than about the Talmud itself.nah, it is nonsense. remember the part where a pisspot is considered to be underground (so one can pray in the room it is in) if it is under a bed not higher than three hands? it is considered to be in open if the bed is higher than nine hands, and there's explicitly no decision reached for the in-between heights. or the discussions about whether an oven built while sand was placed between the brick layers can ever be defiled? or the justification as to why riding is forbidden in the shabbath?
>>18290720In what sense?
>>18292801>Doesn't know what the Talmud is>Someone tells him>REEEE YOU'RE JEWISH!!!!The Talmud isn't the Jewish bible
>>18292801Yes?
>>18290720It doesn't matter if it's legit or not, the only thing that does is if there are enough retards who do
>>18291924i dont get this meme
>>18293986nazis think the talmud is hidden knowledge for jews but it's mostly random rabbis arguing about specific cases of jewish law
>>18291062I agree, the fact that you could corner a jew in that even if Jesus wasn't God you can't deny he called out the Pharisees correctly for what they are. Then watch how they give you that talmudic stare...
>>18292794I think what this anon said about "anal retentive mind control" rings true. It's all about trying to use loopholes against the law and completely ignoring the spirit of the law.
>>18290929That doesn't make it legitimate just because it's evil.
>>18294043>it's mostly random rabbisafter reading it for about four weeks the expansion of the list of names came to an end. I do not think there are more than twenty rabbis named in the whole lot, although this may be because the participants in the debate seem to keep making up quotes from famous rabbis all the time. nobody living would want to be named in the talmud; the usual way to decide things was to vote on them, but this is only indirectly reflected in the text, namely, approved decisions are given as anonymous opinions, while downvoted proposals are given as opinions with the name of the proposing rabbi attached, as sort of a participation prize.>arguing about specific cases of jewish lawwell, that would be a nice euphemism for what is really going on; I would probably describe it as "mind-numbingly boring minutiae presented in a mind-numbing style of spaghetti backreferences.
>>18295488as for the backreference problem, see pic related: see how the translator had to add clarifications between '[' an ']' to help figure out what the latest 'it' refers to (and no, aramaic does not have extra tools to make it clearer, inb4 some retard claims such a thing). since the whole thing was translated by a number of translators, some did not do this and parts of the talmud translation are well nigh unreadable.
>>18292801Why, thank you!
