So, statistically Atheism makes you less happy, destroys birthrates, causes degeneracy, weakness and even reduced mental & physical healthYet we're still supposed to believe it's superior to religion because.... you can't prove God exists??Doesn't make sense
Yes yes, unfortunately all of this doesn't make God real and Christianity is still schizobabble. Not much that can be done about that.
>>18290726You are blissfully unaware of the distinction between correlation and causation which is not surprising since religious people are statistically dumber.Being happy for no reason is also a sign of stupidity. Sometimes when you are more conscious of reality you become less happy and more realistic. Sobriety is a virtue, but some people are blinded by pleasure and unable to think clearly.None of these comparisons will make religion truthful, but if you think there is some quality of life issue, the solution is likely not religion. I can hardly believe religion would make unhappy atheists happy. They would just experience religion from an unhappy perspective.The solution is to treat someone's problems biologically. Depression is largely a matter of health.
>>18290745>since religious people are statistically dumber.It's the midwit paradox, more low-IQ people are religious, but the top percentile IQ people are also more religious>Being happy for no reason is also a sign of stupidityThey are happy for a reason, religion gives people meaning and unity
>>18290726Religion makes your skin darker, increases crime rates, lowers life expectancy, reduces purchasing power, causes political instability and lowers IQ.
>>18290748>stops at 110hmmmmm
>>18290726>being a brainlet who doesn't understand the world is good for youmaybe, but god's still fake
>>18290748Religion as a social institution which provides a community also doesn't make religion true.
>>18290759That was my point, thoI never said religion was true, I said it was good
>>18290760It depends on what function of religion you're referring to. It's certainly not a universal good. Having a community is a good thing, but you have to be an idiot to believe in something like the Bible.
>>18290733>Christianity is still schizobabble.Good thing we have atheists to stop the schizobabble with>900 genders>men can get pregnant>take 40 vax shotsAtheists are so pumped full of HRT and vaccines I'm surprised you feel anything.
>>18290745>not surprising since religious people are statistically dumber.Here are some stats>atheists voted troon lovers Kamala 72%>atheists are the #1 group to support trans shit according to Pew research>atheists are the #1 group to take the vax at a rate of 90%
>>18290775>but you have to be an idiot to believe in something like the Bible.Says the people that believe in >>18290781
>>18290775Leftists believe in their own destructionThat's a level of idiocy beyond anything religious
>>18290781>virgins can get spontaneously pregnant>dead Jews can become zombies>mutilate your penis instead of just cleaning it>respect god's he/him pronouns in xir bio, chud
>>18290794>>virgins can get spontaneously pregnantLeap of faith. 2000 years ago. >>dead Jews can become zombiessee above>>mutilate your penis instead of just cleaning itAtheists also trust the (((SCIENCE))) on this.>>respect god's he/him pronouns in xir bio, chudHeadcanon.Atheists are rejecting science fact that is right in front of their eyes and calling it "false".
>>18290797>Leap of faithYou mean "objectively incorrect irrational belief".
>>18290798>You mean "objectively incorrect irrational belief".No, leap of faith. "objectively incorrect irrational belief" = TAKE 40 VAX SHOTS FOR A COLD! and MEN CAN GET PREGNANT, CHUDThis is what a /his/anon had to say about it seepic
>>18290775Thomas Paine is basically a seething fedora tipper prefacing his seethe rant by declaring he’s happy lol
>>18290794Haha, that’s so silly right? Why can’t that stuff happen if there’s no God?
/his/ feels like r/atheism from 15 years ago
>>18290812That’s because most of these degenerates came here straight from there. They’re colonizers
>>18290817>That’s because most of these degenerates came here straight from there. They’re colonizersi think /his/ being a board without flags and/or ids makes them feel safe
>>18290783this shouldn't need to be said but none of that has anything to do with the claim that a god exists. "i dont like these people so their beliefs must be factually false" holy retard!!
>>18290827It’s relevant because it reflects their worldview. Also I don’t know what “a god” is, I believe in the God.
>>18290827>this shouldn't need to be said but none of that has anything to do with the claim that a god existsIt proves that atheists claim of "HOW CAN YOU BELIEVE IN SOMETHING SO UNSCIENTIFIC WITHOUT EVIDENCE?" is thrown out the window because atheists themselves are believing in something so unscientific without evidence (multiple things, in fact).
>>18290834most "atheists" you encounter are probably more onions than atheist. also this doesn't fucking matter, because people's stupid beliefs have no bearing on the truthfulness of the specific belief that there is no god (or that we can't know and the question is pointless)
>>18290861>most "atheists" you encounter are probably more onions than atheist.Wrong zoomer. Atheists have been cringe retards forever. The internet just really exposed them (same way security cameras exposed blacks committing lots of crime)>because people's stupid beliefs have no bearing on the truthfulness of the specific belief that there is no god (or that we can't know and the question is pointless)It calls into question who is saying it though. They based their entire "No God" beliefs on science and data, but then they believed in nonsense while throwing out science and data.Would you trust a guys food tastes if he liked eating dog shit?
>>18290726Your “god” Yahweh is not a real god like Zeus and Athena are but rather is a malevolent demon (cacodaimon) who deceived people into believing the lie that he is the “one true god.” Even so, the truth slips through as several times in the Bible it is shown he is not all-powerful like he claims; such as in Judges 1:19 where despite having the explicit blessing of Yahweh, the Israelites were defeated by soldiers in iron chariots. Another example is in 2 Kings 3 where despite Elisha under the guidance of Yahweh declaring a prophecy that the Israelites in the upcoming battles would defeat the Moabites, the Moabites achieved victory in said battles because the king made a sacrifice to their chief god Chemosh, which indicates that Chemosh was real and that their will was stronger than that of Yahweh.
>>18290872>Your “god” Yahweh is not a real godYes He is. The people saying He's not are screaming that men can get pregnant. God is a funny motherfucker. I didn't think He could top himself with the euphoric shit, but here we are.
>>18290863> They based their entire "No God" beliefs on science and dataNo, they based it on LACK of data. Just b/c someone is competent enough to deduce that there is no god/we couldn't possibly know doesn't mean they're gonna be uber based and red pilled.If a dude has retarded opinions, then yes, that calls into question his reasoning abilities. But then you have to actually engage with his reasoning in order to judge it.
>>18290876>No, they based it on LACK of data.Same shit. There is mountains of data (and it was scientific fact since day 1) that men can't get pregnant and there aren't 900 genders. But they are throwing that data out.>know doesn't mean they're gonna be uber based and red pilled.Irrelevant. Science is science.>If a dude has retarded opinions, It's not an "opinion" if it's rejecting science fact that we can see with our very eyes. It's some kind of delusion.Atheists are delusional. They aren't operating in reality>reddit spacingSAD
>>18290781See? Just posting random LLM hallucinations from their proto-brains.
>>18290885>See? Just posting random LLM hallucinations from their proto-brains.Here are some stats>atheists voted troon lovers Kamala 72%>atheists are the #1 group to support trans shit according to Pew research>atheists are the #1 group to take the vax at a rate of 90%
>>18290861>because people's stupid beliefs have no bearing on the truthfulness of the specific belief that there is no godInconsistency, internal contradiction and double standards don’t matter? There’s enlightened atheist rationality again
>>18290887Unfortunately, none of this is bringing Yeshua back.
>>18290890>Unfortunately, none of this is bringing Yeshua back.He's coming back no matter what. The people that don't believe He's coming back think a 6'5" male should be competing with 5'1" women in sport because they are biologically equal (and of course the man will get time off for maternity leave).SAD
Atheism? Hmm.... Huh..... Hmm... Ah... haaaaAAAAAH! I've got it! Trannies trannies trannies trannies trannies trannies trannies (deep breath) trannies trannies trannies trannies trannies trannies trannies. What were we talking about again? Well, whatever it was, I'm sure I won that debate.
>>18290907>Trannies trannies trannies trannies trannies trannies trannies (deep breath) trannies trannies trannies trannies trannies trannies trannies.that’s who atheists are yes
>>18290907STOP TALKING ABOUT THE UNSCIENTIFIC SHIT ATHEISTS BELIEVE IN! ONLY ATHEISTS CAN POINT OUT THE UNSCIENTIFIC SHIT CHRISTIANS BELIEVE IN!
>>18290915Christians are obligate unscientific shit believers. Atheists are not.
>>18290927>Christians are obligate unscientific shit believers. Atheists are not.Ok retard. Atheists believe in:>900 genders>men can get pregnant>take 40 vax shotsChristians take a leap of faith to defend unscientific Bible stuff. Atheists reject reality and science fact.
>>18290934Okay retard, theists believe in>getting off 4chan right now>going for a walk>having a life outside the internet>never coming backAnd if you disagree I'm sorry but you're on team atheist now.
>>18290948>>getting off 4chan right nowAtheists fit the "terminally online leftist" better>>going for a walkAtheists are leftists and being in good shape is "right wing white supremacy" to you weirdos>>having a life outside the internetSee above>>never coming backSee above This is what the modern atheist looks like. They moved on from the fat/neckbeard look to the AIDS/vegan look. Impressive.>And if you disagree I'm sorry but you're on team atheist now.WOW, YOU SURE SHOWED ME
>>18290953You are now an atheist and you in fact look just like that guy. Congratulations.
>>18290726Technically there was a god that created life and the universe
>>18290726This is religion's purpose. Community through shared rituals, not necessarily truth. However, deviding on a shared truth is part of community.
>>18290957Well god nade the big bang happen and created life. Rest is just chance and luck.
>>18290959The big bang never happened.>>18290957Christianity is about truth.
>>18290955>You are now an atheist and you in fact look just like that guy. Congratulations.Wow, you totally won! Too bad you're not on reddit (where you came from) so you won't get all the updoots and gold that you normally do.
>>18290726>docile, obedient people content to simply breed that are easy to control through disconnection from reality>people who see the way the world is and find it wanting who rise up to change thingsI wonder which of these two is easier to manipulate and will let the elites destroy democracy?
>>18290968>>people who see the way the world is and find it wanting who rise up to change things>I wonder which of these two is easier to manipulate and will let the elites destroy democracy?See >atheists voted troon lovers Kamala 72%>atheists are the #1 group to support trans shit according to Pew research>atheists are the #1 group to take the vax at a rate of 90%
>>18290968I have learned that atheists are really stupid people who are incredibly easy to manipulate. Nobody buys snake oil like an atheist. So if I wanted power I would try to promote atheism so I would have a society full of mindless retards who will believe whatever I tell them as long as I say the Science said so.
I love how agnostics have a lower birth rate than atheists since it just proves that agnostics are just confused low-T fence sitting retards who don't actually understand agnosticism
What's ironic is that "science" doesn't tell us anything about reality. All science can do is tell us the patterns and regularities of our own internal dashboard of sensory perceptions. What exists outside and beyond this is not accessible to us or any empirical methods. And as it turns out, our internal dashboard of sensory perceptions is not a window into reality, on the contrary, it's essentially a hallucinogenic rendering designed to keep us alive and reproducing. If this is what atheists call "real", then God and religion is equally real because as the data shows, God and religion keep you alive and reproducing.
>>18291035It tells us more about reality than Christianity does. It tells us that the world is 4 billion years old because we know that uranium decays into lead over the course of about 5 billion years so we can use the ratio of uranium and lead in deposits in the Earths crust to determine when it formed for example. You can take you solipsistic bullshit and shove it up your ass
>>18291035not at all, retard. this is a goofy fucking game, you are perfectly aware that there's a difference between qualia and straight up imagined deities
>>18290983there's nothing to understand, agnosticism is a lack of knowledge
>>18291043How often do you find yourself thinking about the age of the earth throughout the day? How much does it impact your life? You're right that it's "real", but only technically, because that shit just doesn't matter unless you're a geologist or something like that, and even then it's still irrelevant 99% of the time. For example, can you even explain to me why I should give a single shit that the earth is four billion years old?
>>18291052>agnosticism is a lack of knowledgeKind ofAgnostics assert that it's impossible to know the nature of the universe or GodMost people who claim to be agnostic are actually just fence-sitting apatheistsWhat you're describing is actually somewhat closer to Soft Atheism, that doesn't assert that God cannot exist, which would be Hard Atheism, but rather that you shouldn't believe things you don't or cannot have evidence for. Agnosticism is actually closer to Hard Atheism but most people don't understand this
>>18291059But if it's impossible to know the nature of God, what is possible to know, and why? Agnosticism casts the mechanism of knowledge itself into doubt simply by the assertion that there is at least one thing we cannot know, it opens the possibility that there are other things that maybe we can't know, so perhaps we cannot actually know anything. What can we know and how can we know it? Beyond that, according to etymology, agnostic means lack of knowledge, a gnosis, no knowledge.
>>18291067>it opens the possibility that there are other things that maybe we can't know, so perhaps we cannot actually know anything. What can we know and how can we know it?Well, to Soft Atheists, God could still exist, but he's purely metaphysical, and thus his existence isn't relevant or useful to us beyond his act of creation. We can know anything about reality itself and there's little reason to believe otherwise, since we live in reality, and thus we can test reality, that's how science works, testing and documenting results, which is a practical way of understanding reality better. Soft Atheists don't claim the metaphysical world doesn't necessarily exist, just that we can never know for sure since it's not possible to test it. It's silly to think there are things about reality we can't know
>>18291043>It tells us that the world is 4 billion years oldNo. Time is not fundamental to reality. What we call time is simply a data structure of our own internal sensorium used to array and organize our perceptions chronologically so we can interpret and make sense of them.>>18291043>there's a difference between qualia and straight up imagined deitiesNo. Ontologically speaking, there is no difference. Both are substantively mental. Furthermore, for many devout, their experience of communion with God is just as real as their experience of the taste of strawberries, the color blue, or the joy of accomplishment.Fact of the matter is, atheistical materialism rapidly falls apart under the scrutiny of basic metaphysics 101.
>>18291076>Time is not fundamental to reality. What we call time is simply a data structure of our own internal sensorium used to array and organize our perceptions chronologically so we can interpret and make sense of them.So time isn't fundamental to reality, it's only fundamental to our perception of reality, which is based in reality....Do you think our minds exist solely from a metaphysical standpoint?
>>18291083>which is based in realityIt could be, but we have no way of understanding this relationship, or if there even is a relationship>Do you think our minds exist solely from a metaphysical standpoint?From a metaphysical standpoint only mind (as an ontic category) can be definitively said to exist, because only with mind are we directly aquatinted. Everything we know and can ever know is through mind, specifically our own mind. The existence of matter outside and independent of mind is a theoretical inference (in other words something mental; also mind), not an empirical fact.
>>18290726It's pretty sad to see Apologetics degenerate this badly so quickly.In two hundred years, it went from>Earnest and full throated defenses of the already established order, religion, etc on their own terms. (De Maistre, for example).>Aggressive but less assured attacks on 19th century rationalists (Atheists and not). (Oxford evolution debate, for example).>Clever little quips about how breathing means you a priori concede Christianity is true. Common sense. Smug gesturing to 'tradition'.(Chesterton, Lewis, etc.)>Religion as socially beneficial balm to cure social ills, traditionalism retreat into fundamentalism, pseudo-psychologizing of unbelievers, theatrics for self-soothing. (Pre-supps, Alasdair McEntyre, many many flavors of american fundie). I hope you guys are able to climb out of this, ngl. It's not nice to see something eat itself like this.
>>18290726>"Yes, as an individual I may be considered a 'loser' but statistically I shouldn't be!"I can see how the Roman pagans folded like a lawn chair against those apologetics
>>18291202>It's pretty sad to see atheists degenerate this badly so quickly.>Earnest and full throated defenses of hard sciences with regards to evolution and biology>900 genders and men getting pregnant is now accepted as hard science by atheists>atheists completely falling in line like mindless obedient slaves because le science man tells them to (take 40 vax shots, lets women get crushed on a soccer field by a man because they are both biologically equal)I hope you guys climb out of this, ngl. It's not nice to see something eat itself like this>reddit spacingI shouldn't have even bothered.
>>18290726>If God did not exist it would be necessary to invent him. >t. VoltaireAtheism, especially in its current form, is peak midwittery. There's no attempt to engage with the second and third order conclusions of the premise, or to mitigate against the decline and degeneration the idea provably causes. Some of the earlier attempts at atheism tried, generally looking kind of retarded in the attempt (see the French Revolution era 'Cult of Reason' they tried, as well as the various ways different groups of Communists tried to turn the state into their god), which seems to have lead to well meaning atheists abandoning the idea entirely out of concern for optics (see above re: 'peak midwittery'). If you wanted to make atheism work you'd need to construct an atheist deity character and build a religion around it. You can't take the religion out of a person without taking a big chunk of the person with it. You need the 'feasts of atonement' and 'sacred games', whether you like it or not.
>>18290781I'm an atheist and I don't believe in any of that. This is like if the image an atheist had of your average Christian was a braindead American Protestant who thought dinosaurs weren't real and who think the Bible fell out of the sky as if it were the Quran. Those people certainly exist but you can't condemn Christianity or atheism by picking their absolute most retarded as the figureheads
Atheism is a type of societal decay. They don't really have any alternative to the social technology of religion. I'm an atheist but I joined my local church and have a great time.
>>18290965>Christianity is about truth.he says in a thread that literally says "I want to lie to people."
>>18292202>I'm an atheist and I don't believe in any of that.Every atheist on 4chan says this. But the stats are the stats and every atheist making this claim is mathematically improbable.>atheists voted troon lovers Kamala 72%>atheists are the #1 group to support trans shit according to Pew research>atheists are the #1 group to take the vax at a rate of 90%I'll take your word for it though regarding you>This is like if the image an atheist had of your average Christian was a braindead American Protestant who thought dinosaurs weren't real and who think the Bible fell out of the sky as if it were the Quran. I'm sure there are a % of Protestants that don't believe in dinosaurs. It's a stupid belief, but those Protestants aren't claiming to be the "DEFENDERS OF SCIENCE AND LOGIC".>picking their absolute most retarded as the figureheadsThe beliefs I named are very widespread amongst atheists.
>>18291244>You can't do formating because reddit.>Everything needs to be unreadable because it's the sign of being a true 4chanigger.
>>18292755>>Everything needs to be unreadableYou have trouble reading 4chan? Now that's a reddit proclamation if I ever heard one.
>>18291059There should be a spectrum of agnosticism as with atheism and theism.Soft agnosticism: "I personally don't know."Semi agnosticism: "Almost certainly no one knows regardless of what they might claim."Fully erect agnosticism: "I know for certain that it's impossible to know for certain."
>>18290726>because....truth is superior to lies
>>18292226Back when liberalism was an actual movement (19th century) there were lots of attempts to create substitutes to religion. They weren't too succesful as you miight surmise, but they are still around.Comte made one!
>>18293020Mind you, the only people that took him up on that were Brazilians. Because they, and spics more generally, have a bad tendency to take these things seriously.
Talk about a homosexual thread, all OP seems to talk about are trannies, tells you all you need to know about what's on xir's mind
>>18292226>I'm an atheist but I joined my local church and have a great time.So... you lie about what you believe in to get social benefits? Don't we have a word that starts with H for this type of attitude?
>>18290887>>18290781You know you're highly identifiable, right?
>>18293079In fairness, that is a lot more genuinely Atheistic and irreligious than assidously following a set of principles and dogmas. Some dead-eyed amoral East Euro Bureaucrat is probably the greatest atheist to ever live.
>>18293076>all OP seems to talk about are tranniesAtheists believe in them and vote for troon lovers.
>>18293079>Don't we have a word that starts with H for this type of attitude?It doesn't start with an H and the word you're looking for is "Christian Atheist"
>>18290726Most atheists are ex-christians, so they're busy rebuilding their lives. There's not that many atheists that are never in a religion, so it's not really fair to compare it based on religious status.Compare people in a community against people without a community, and you'll see the real statistic being displayed here.Ex-christians are too busy doing things like healing trauma, deconstructing indoctrination, and trying to make new friends. Having a complete community, is a much further down the line priority. Religious people have an auto-community that's quickly accepting of new people, even when relocating to a different country."These people who have a shortcut to having a community, have better happiness markers, when compared to people who have to slowly build a community from scratch."No fucking shit.
>>18290748>but the top percentile IQ people are also more religiouslollmao evenThe overwhelming majority of STEM and Philosophy PhD holders are atheist.There are some high IQ christians, but that's because they're autistic, were primed for religious indoctrination, and were exposed to a religion. The majority of autists will just hyper-focus on whatever they like.
>>18290781You're confusing atheists, and wokies. Wokies are generally atheist, but not all atheists are wokies.Nice strawman.
>>18290726>are you... le happpppy?Useless metric, completely subjective and meaningless.>adults ages 40-59huh?anyway correlation=/causation
>>18293769>You're confusing atheists, and wokies.Nope.>atheists voted troon lovers Kamala 72%>atheists are the #1 group to support trans shit according to Pew research>atheists are the #1 group to take the vax at a rate of 90%I understand atheists don't believe in biology anymore, don't add stats to that as well.>Nice strawman.Nice try, faggot.
>>18293764>The overwhelming majority of STEM and Philosophy PhD holders are atheist.But they also believe in complete nonsense like 900 genders, men getting pregnant and taking endless vax shots. It's safe to say that STEM grads and other high IQ people are just mindless followers to whatever their academic circles are spouting.
>>18290812>>18290817Nah, this is how the board always was. Christcucks didn’t arrive on mass to this godforsaken site until 2016.
>>18290726>Atheism destroys birthratesWhat does it say about christians that atheists obey their top rabbi more than christians do?>“Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.”>“For I would that all men were even as I myself. But every man hath his proper gift of God, one after this manner, and another after that. I say therefore to the unmarried and widows, It is good for them if they abide even as I.But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn.”>“I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be. Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife. But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.”“But I would have you without carefulness. He that is unmarried careth for the things that belong to the Lord, how he may please the Lord: But he that is married careth for the things that are of the world, how he may please his wife. There is difference also between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman careth for the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit: but she that is married careth for the things of the world, how she may please her husband. And this I speak for your own profit; not that I may cast a snare upon you, but for that which is comely, and that ye may attend upon the Lord without distraction.”>“So then he that giveth her in marriage doeth well; but he that giveth her not in marriage doeth better.”1 Corinthians btw.
>>18295757>be fruitful and multiply (Genesis)>women will be saved through childbearing (1 Timothy 2:15)The adept christian knows that their book is internally contradictory enough that they can make it say whatever they want by carefully choosing which passages to prioritize over others.
>>18295786>their book is internally contradictory enough that they can make it say whatever they wantThat's how jewish intellectual culture works. It's a feature, not a bug.Regardless, the Corinthians passages are pretty clear: don't change your current marital status. Don't get married if at all possible. Don't marry off your daughters if at all possible.The Timothy one is much less clear and a lot less insistent, and in the context of Corinthians I read that as saying that giving birth does not automatically preclude you from gaining salvation. Remember that jews are obsessed with ritual purity, and consider women to be ritually impure after childbirth.
