*Every boy becomes a demon worshipper*
Nah you must have watched Yellowjackets
Lord of the Flies just subscribes to the same idea that Heart of Darkness does. That unsettled nature changes a man, and even an European, no matter how sophisticated, will become a savage no better than a than the African negro if removed too far from the civilization.
Spiritual jew
>>18292322I'd prefer if fellows with Gold in their last names would just leave it to the Roman Empire and NSDAP Germany to demonstrate this.
>>18292284alone on an island with this qt pie who could blame em?
>>18292284He was just dunking on Robinson crusoe and the now forgotten genre of 'Boys stranded on an Island rebuild society'.
Didn't a bunch of kids got standed on a island once and instead of them murdering each other and all of the survived?
>>18292772Yeah, though they were aged 13-19.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongan_castaways
>>18292284>lord of the flies happen irl>the kids get along just fine until they are rescuedhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongan_castaways
>>18292772>>18292880I don't think the author meant to imply that the book is what would literally happen in the situation, but intended the story to be an allegory about human nature. Furthermore, there is a more fitting case to compare to: the Batavia disaster
>>18292915>an allegory about human natureYeah and it's a shit allegory.Pretty much all experiments intended to prove that base human nature will drive people into barbarism if they are taken out of civilization proved the opposite. Normal people, when left without authority, basically get along fine.One funny example of this is the Acali expedition.What does work is an authority figure telling people to do fucked up shit. This was what happened during the Batavia disaster too. Also, the Stanford prison experiment, Milgram experiment also proves this.It seems basic human nature is basically:>coexist and cooperate peacefully with fellow humans, avoid violence>follow the orders of authority figures
>>18292920There's a big elephant in the room that these studies tend to ignore: scale. It is easy for a handful of friends to get along and work out differences. It's manageable with a few dozen people too. It might even be doable with 100 people. Dunbar suggested humans can maintain up to 150 personal relationships. But when you go above this number, that's when things start breaking down. What was the difference between the tongan castaways and the Batavia? The former were 6 friends that already knew each other well beforehand, the latter was 300 passengers and crew that had never met before their voyage. And this is the ultimate challenge of society: how do you keep a large population of strangers at peace and aligned towards the same goal, how do you maintain trust between people that have no personal reasons to trust each other? If such a mechanism is lacking or disappears, then tribalism is inevitable because that IS the survival strategy.
>>18292956Plus the Tongan were compose of boys. Not to be sexist or anything but if there was a girl with them theres a higher chance they will perish.
>>18292956You see serious violence break out in large groups because that's where authority and hierarchical control emerges, and this makes organized violence possible. Pretty much all the famous cases of mass violence are cases of organized violence, not some primal free-for-all. The Batavia disaster also happened mainly because some shitty guys were left in charge of the survivors, and they set up schemes to exploit and get rid of others.The idea that people's natural violent nature is kept at bay by authority/society/culture/laws is just false. Mass violence happens when some system of authority directs people to be violent. Speaking of disasters, there were plenty of cases where survivors were stranded just like the Batavia's, but then they didn't resort to savagery because the people who were in charge weren't psychos.
>>18293109Nah, its because of conflicting ideologies.
